Giant Skeletons Found?

[mmksparbud]

Note what Genesis 10:8 says about Nimrod:

And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.

Three sections in this unprecedented verse indicate something very peculiar happened to Nimrod. First, note where the text says, “he began to be.” In Hebrew, this is chalal, which means “to become profaned, defiled, polluted, or desecrated ritually, sexually or genetically.” Second, this verse tells us exactly what Nimrod began to be as he changed genetically—“a mighty one” (gibbowr, gibborim), one of the offspring of Nephilim. As Annette Yoshiko Reed says in the Cambridge University book, Fallen Angels and the History of Judaism and Christianity, “The Nephilim of Genesis 6:4 are always…grouped together with the gibborim as the progeny of the Watchers and human women.”[1]And the third part of this text says the change to Nimrod started while he was on “earth.” Therefore, in modern language, this text could accurately be translated to say: “And Nimrod began to change genetically, becoming a gibborim, the offspring of watchers on earth.” - Thomas R. Horn -- Forbidden Gates, Part 18

See post #140.

 

[MyGivenNameIsKeith]

LOL!! You say that as though the Jews were some heathen tribe out there that gradually worked themselves into believing on only one God. Real story: There were no Jews until Abraham and from him came all the Jews. And from Abraham on they worshiped only one God as He did. However, they were surrounded by pagan gods and were easily led astray, And while in Egypt many were. God had to work with them to root it out. They began monotheistic--went into apostasy several times until they finally learned their lesson.

I stated "early people". I said nothing to the effect of Jews. I explained how one would come to the concept of pluralism within the text. This being the term "Elohim". Canaanites worshipped more than one deity some specifically being Baal, elyon, Baalhadad Moloch, Koreh, Ashterah. But if I may clarify, Canaanites and Israelites I used here are not in the same context as Israel himself as he was not even born yet, the "Israelites" for which they are so named. That is stated in the genealogy of the Bible. Elohim signified that God as "He is who he is", was supreme and higher than any and all other gods. And he was just one. not many. Though the word retains the pluralism of this concept, it simply can be seen as meaning that he has many facets to his being. This is even evident within all his names throughout scriptures. It should not be taken to mean that God was made up. As you assume I had intended.

 

[Dirk1540]

Deut. 3:11 Og king of Bashan was the last of the Rephaites. His bed was decorated with iron and was more than nine cubits long and four cubits wide. It is still in Rabbah of the Ammonites.

A "cubit" will be different for every man as it wasn't an exact measurement. It was the length between the elbow and fingertips. Generally accepted as 1.5", we then look at Og's bed and see that it was 13 1/2' X 6'. Basically his bed was as long as the floor is to the top of a basketball backboard, and essentially what you are claiming to be a Nephilim's height wide.

There is so much of the Old Testament that was written with polemics in mind in reference to neighboring gods. This makes sense, same as it makes sense today for an apologetics book to make heavy references to the prevalence of atheism, and to address them on their own terminology such as multiverse theories, string theory, etc. Paul did the same when debating various gentiles. On top of that, it makes even more sense considering the fact that prior to the intense wake up call with the destruction of the Temple and the deportation of Judah into Babylon the Jews were absolutely brutal at worshipping the gods of their neighbors!

There can definitely be competing possibilities for the exact line of thinking (or even the wordplay involved) in regards to polemics comparing Og to Marduk. Og is said to be the last of the Rephaim, a term connected to the giant Anakim and also more ancient giant clans. The most immediate link back to a Babylonian polemic is Og's bed. It's dimensions are precisely those of the cultic bed in the ziggurat called Etemenanki, which is the ziggurat that has been suggested to be the Tower of Babel by some archaeologists. The unusually large bed at Etemenanki was the place where the god Marduk and his wife met annually for ritual love making.

A lot of times Christians run scared at the idea of Old Testament redaction...yet they have no problem with opening an old book from 1910 and seeing that it is the 5th edition and that it was revised in 1930, 1952, 1988, and 2012. Well the time that the Biblical writers would have put the Old Testament into it's final form would be when they were exiled in Babylon. The Biblical writers could have deliberately connected the giant clan enemies that Israel faced in the conquest back to the ancient apostasies that had Babylon at their roots...the sons of God and the Nephilim, and the disinheritance of the nation at the Tower of Babel.

Where did you get the 6.5' size from?

If we take Og's bed dimensions as a polemic towards Marduk then the only measurement for a giant that exists in the Bible is Goliath. The traditional (Masoretic) Hebrew text has him at 6 cubits and a span (1 Samuel 17:4), roughly 9'9". The Dead Sea Scroll reading disagrees and has Goliath at 4 cubits and a span, or 6'6". The smaller size is also the reading of the Septuagint. Generally the Dead Sea Scroll readings for Samuel are regarded as superior to the Masoretic text when the two disagree, but especially when the scrolls also coincide with the Septuagint (Michael Heiser- The Unseen Realm).

 

[Radagast]

There are physical limitations to the size a human can grow to. The first such is known as the square-cube law. If a human were to be expanded to, say, three times his size while maintaining his same proportions he would not be three times heavier he would be three cubed or twenty seven times heavier. However, bone strength increases as the square of bone diameter so this hypothetical giant’s bone strength would not be three times greater, it would be three squared or nine times greater. In other words such a giant would have difficulty supporting his own weight without his bones collapsing under him.

Good point.

 

[Waggles]

A fourth battle was in Geth: where there was a man of great stature,
that had six fingers on each hand, and six toes on each foot, four and twenty in all,
and he was of the race of Arapha.
2 Samuel 21:20

18 There was also a second battle in Gob against the Philistines:
then Sobochai of Husathi slew Saph of the race of Arapha of the family of the giants.
19 And there was a third battle in Gob against the Philistines, in which Adeodatus
the son of the Forrest an embroiderer of Bethlehem slew Goliath the Gethite,
the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.
2 Samuel 21:

5 Another battle also was fought against the Philistines, in which Adeodatus
the son of Saltus a Bethlehemite slew the brother of Goliath the Gethite,
the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.
6 There was another battle also in Geth, in which there was a man of great stature,
whose fingers and toes were four and twenty, six on each hand and foot:
who also was born of the stock of Rapha.
1 Chronicles 20:

 

[JacksBratt]

There is no evidence what-so-ever that there were 'giants' like those that people talk about on here.

A 'giant' could be anyone above the average height of the times!

Monolithic structure have nothing to do with so called 'giants'

Really?

"Monolithic structure have nothing to do with so called 'giants'"?
Well, if these structures were not built by a race of superior intelligence and size.... who were they built by?

The Inca deny building them. If you study the works themselves you sill see that they are not only gigantic but they are constructed without mortar and are solid rock. They fit together so tight that you cannot fit a human hair between them. They are locked with "Keyways" that are simply slots that line up between the two stones that abut each other and molten metal was poured into it. When cooled and solid, the metal locked the stones together.

Each solid stone has been worked to perfect square dimensions...or.... in the more interesting examples... they are polygonal... multi faced and curved surfaces of solid stone that mate perfectly with another polygonal rock... that meshes, perfectly, with yet another polygonal rock...

Not to mention perfectly round holes bored into solid hard rock. Perfectly straight.....

The complexity of many of the solid blocks of stone and the angles and design of how they have been cut is nothing more than astounding.....not only by today's standards but especially considering that the era in which they were constructed in had no capability to produce hardened steal, carbide drill bits or circular cutting blades that could do such a thing. Remember... bone and maybe bronze, was the hardest material they had.

That blows the technology theory of that day out of the water.....

The size is the other issue... rocks of many hundreds of tonnes are what we are talking about.. so, ignoring the lack of hard tools.... the mere size of these stone blocks is not possible today...

Forget slaves rolling them on logs.. many of the structures are in Brazil and far above the treeline.


You may argue that "The Book of Enoch" is not canon... or that it is myth. You may contest that any writtings are truth or that the Bible doesn't mean what others believe it means...

However....... You cannot deny the simple and present evidence that exists in the antediluvian, megalithic structures that remain as proof that the hoax of evolution is impossible.... We have not been evolving to more and increasing complexity and intelligence...

In fact, these hard solid examples are impossible to "write" of as fake... they are solid proof to a previous, larger, more intelligent and highly technical race or time of beings that knew things that we don't know today...

So, there is no going to this translation and that translation and this concordance and that strongs edition and the dead sea scrolls for proof that this is different or that....

NOPE...... As far as the history of the world and what we have been taught..... lies.... lies.....lies...

And all for one purpose....lead us away from the truth that undeniably proves the scripture and the fact that God is God and He is not dead....He is alive and all is just as He said it was.

 

[Radagast]

"Monolithic structure have nothing to do with so called 'giants'"?
Well, if these structures were not built by a race of superior intelligence and size.... who were they built by?

They were built by the Inca. This is an accepted fact. Shaping and moving the stones would have been tedious and slow, but well within Inca capabilities.

And as city walls go, they are not particularly high, actually. They wouldn't have kept giants out.

 

[PropheticTimes]

See post #140.

see post #48

 

[PropheticTimes]

They were built by the Inca. This is an accepted fact. Shaping and moving the stones would have been tedious and slow, but well within Inca capabilities.

And as city walls go, they are not particularly high, actually. They wouldn't have kept giants out.

Accepted fact? Really? The Inca's themselves said they didn't build them, that they were there when THEY got there. Not to mention the fact that in our "highly advanced technology", the wall shown in the picture, which is at Sacsayhuaman, if I remember correctly....ready for this?... wait for it..... CANNOT BE REPRODUCED TODAY. With all the knowledge, machinery and technology that we possess today, we could not reproduce that stonework.

Now ain't that a kick in the shorts.....

 

[Goatee]

Really?

"Monolithic structure have nothing to do with so called 'giants'"?
Well, if these structures were not built by a race of superior intelligence and size.... who were they built by?

The Inca deny building them. If you study the works themselves you sill see that they are not only gigantic but they are constructed without mortar and are solid rock. They fit together so tight that you cannot fit a human hair between them. They are locked with "Keyways" that are simply slots that line up between the two stones that abut each other and molten metal was poured into it. When cooled and solid, the metal locked the stones together.

Each solid stone has been worked to perfect square dimensions...or.... in the more interesting examples... they are polygonal... multi faced and curved surfaces of solid stone that mate perfectly with another polygonal rock... that meshes, perfectly, with yet another polygonal rock...

Not to mention perfectly round holes bored into solid hard rock. Perfectly straight.....

The complexity of many of the solid blocks of stone and the angles and design of how they have been cut is nothing more than astounding.....not only by today's standards but especially considering that the era in which they were constructed in had no capability to produce hardened steal, carbide drill bits or circular cutting blades that could do such a thing. Remember... bone and maybe bronze, was the hardest material they had.

That blows the technology theory of that day out of the water.....

The size is the other issue... rocks of many hundreds of tonnes are what we are talking about.. so, ignoring the lack of hard tools.... the mere size of these stone blocks is not possible today...

Forget slaves rolling them on logs.. many of the structures are in Brazil and far above the treeline.


You may argue that "The Book of Enoch" is not canon... or that it is myth. You may contest that any writtings are truth or that the Bible doesn't mean what others believe it means...

However....... You cannot deny the simple and present evidence that exists in the antediluvian, megalithic structures that remain as proof that the hoax of evolution is impossible.... We have not been evolving to more and increasing complexity and intelligence...

In fact, these hard solid examples are impossible to "write" of as fake... they are solid proof to a previous, larger, more intelligent and highly technical race or time of beings that knew things that we don't know today...

So, there is no going to this translation and that translation and this concordance and that strongs edition and the dead sea scrolls for proof that this is different or that....

NOPE...... As far as the history of the world and what we have been taught..... lies.... lies.....lies...

And all for one purpose....lead us away from the truth that undeniably proves the scripture and the fact that God is God and He is not dead....He is alive and all is just as He said it was.

Stick to facts not fantasy my friend.

People in those times were highly skilled when it came to building these structures. Lots of their techniques have been lost with them.

They took years and years to build things. They had the skill etc.

 

[Goatee]

Accepted fact? Really? The Inca's themselves said they didn't build them, that they were there when THEY got there. Not to mention the fact that in our "highly advanced technology", the wall shown in the picture, which is at Sacsaywaman, if I remember correctly....ready for this?... wait for it..... CANNOT BE REPRODUCED TODAY. With all the knowledge, machinery and technology that we possess today, we could not reproduce that stonework.

Now ain't that a kick in the shorts.....

It's known as a lost art / skill.

 

[Radagast]

Accepted fact? Really? The Inca's themselves said they didn't build them, that they were there when THEY got there.

Well, they were begun by the preceding civilisation, but completed by the Inca.

the wall shown in the picture, which is at Sacsaywaman, if I remember correctly....ready for this?... wait for it..... CANNOT BE REPRODUCED TODAY.

Of course it can (sculptors shape stone to precise shapes all the time). It would just be a lot of work, and nobody would bother.

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

The first such is known as the square-cube law. If a human were to be expanded to, say, three times his size while maintaining his same proportions he would not be three times heavier he would be three cubed or twenty seven times heavier.

That's a good point. It's the sort of reason why insects are never as big as elephants. Giant humans are also plagued by blood pressure issues. No matter the proportions, it takes a certain amount of pressure to get blood to both the feet and the brain for every inch of height.

Nevertheless, I think it would be a mistake to assume that Nephilim were merely humans with a pituitary disorder. A human plus an angel does not make a human with an overactive gland. I don't suspect that you'd be the sort to accept a supernatural explanation, so I'll stop there.

It's known as a lost art / skill.

That was never the issue. Of course it's a lost art. The question is who lost it.

 

[JacksBratt]

They were built by the Inca. This is an accepted fact. Shaping and moving the stones would have been tedious and slow, but well within Inca capabilities.

And as city walls go, they are not particularly high, actually. They wouldn't have kept giants out.

Hardly.....

See post #149.

If you listen to the Grade 12 or 1st year university student that is giving the tour... ya... they will regurgitate what the evolutionary, Darwinian, mindset of acedemia is forcing down their throat.... the same information that they wrote a term paper on to get 80%.

Fact is.... the history we were taught was, at first, incorrect due to lack of knowledge..
However, now, it is bald faced lies as they know they are wrong but cannot suck up their error and teach the truth.

 

[Goatee]

That's a good point. It's the sort of reason why insects are never as big as elephants. Giant humans are also plagued by blood pressure issues. No matter the proportions, it takes a certain amount of pressure to get blood to both the feet and the brain for every inch of height.

Nevertheless, I think it would be a mistake to assume that Nephilim were merely humans with a pituitary disorder. A human plus an angel does not make a human with an overactive gland. I don't suspect that you'd be the sort to accept a supernatural explanation, so I'll stop there.



That was never the issue. Of course it's a lost art. The question is who lost it.

It died with the people....simples!

 

[JacksBratt]

Stick to facts not fantasy my friend.

People in those times were highly skilled when it came to building these structures. Lots of their techniques have been lost with them.

They took years and years to build things. They had the skill etc.

Fact is... we cannot do it today
Fact is they are too old for Inca people
Fact is people that have the integrity to admit it, will tell you that they history was wrong
Fact is you cannot do this with a rock hammer and a bronze chisel.

 

[JacksBratt]

It's known as a lost art / skill.

Exactly.... and a lost technology.

 

[Goatee]

Fact is... we cannot do it today
Fact is they are too old for Inca people
Fact is people that have the integrity to admit it, will tell you that they history was wrong
Fact is you cannot do this with a rock hammer and a bronze chisel.

Fact is, we are not them!

 

[Goatee]

Exactly.... and a lost technology.

No aliens or giant people built them buddy. Just skilled humans who's methods died with them.

 

[JacksBratt]

Well, they were begun by the preceding civilisation, but completed by the Inca.



Of course it can (sculptors shape stone to precise shapes all the time). It would just be a lot of work, and nobody would bother.

In this image you can see the ancient stone work on the bottom.
Then there is less ancient work on top where the blocks are much smaller.

If you research it, you will find an even newer third technology of even smaller less organized stone work.

The oldest work is impossible for us to repeat even today... simply based on the size factor alone.

Your telling me that they did this with a stone hammer and bronze chisel? The rock is harder than bronze... no can do.