Getting AI to seek the will of God

[timothyu]

Asked AI what the difference is between the will of man and the will of God.

Based on the search results provided, here’s a breakdown of the differences between the will of man and the will of God:

Will of Man:​

1. Limited and flawed: Human will is bound by sin and selfishness, leading to choices that are often contrary to God’s will (Romans 3:10-18, Ephesians 2:1-3).
2. Free, but enslaved to sin: Humans have the ability to make choices, but their nature determines the choices they make, and they are often unable to please God without divine intervention (Romans 6:17, Galatians 4:8, Hebrews 11:6).
3. Subject to change: Human will can change and be influenced by various factors, including emotions, circumstances, and other people (James 4:17).
4. Not always aligned with God’s plan: Human will can operate independently of God’s plan, leading to choices that may not align with His ultimate purposes (Isaiah 55:8-9).

Will of God:​

1. Sovereign and autonomous: God’s will is not subject to human influence or change; it is absolute and unchanging (Isaiah 46:10, Psalm 115:3).
2. Perfect and holy: God’s will is always righteous and just, reflecting His character (Romans 9:19-21).
3. Predetermined: God’s will is often described as predetermined, with events and outcomes ordained from eternity past (Ephesians 1:4, 2 Timothy 1:9, Acts 2:23).
4. Unfolding His plan: God’s will is the means by which He accomplishes His ultimate purposes, including salvation, redemption, and restoration (Ephesians 1:10, Revelation 22:20).

Key differences:

• Human will is limited, flawed, and subject to change, whereas God’s will is sovereign, perfect, and unchanging.
• Human will operates independently of God’s plan, whereas God’s will is the means by which He accomplishes His ultimate purposes.
• Human will is influenced by sin and selfishness, whereas God’s will reflects His holy and righteous character.

In summary, the will of man is characterized by limitations, flaws, and subjectivity, whereas the will of God is marked by sovereignty, perfection, and objectivity. While human will can operate independently of God’s plan, God’s will is the ultimate reality that governs all of existence.

Asked where AI fits it.

Artificial Intelligence (AI) in relation to the will of man and God​

1. AI as a tool: AI can be seen as a tool created by human beings, subject to our will and limitations. As such, AI’s “will” is an extension of human will, reflecting our biases, values, and intentions.
2. AI’s potential: AI has the capacity to amplify human will, both positively and negatively. It can be used to serve humanity and align with God’s will, or it can be misused to further human rebellion against God’s sovereignty.
3. AI’s limitations: AI, like human will, is limited by its programming, data, and understanding. It lacks the capacity for moral agency, consciousness, and spiritual awareness, making it distinct from God’s will.
4. AI’s relationship to God’s will: As a creation, AI is subject to God’s sovereignty and can be used by Him to fulfill His purposes. However, AI’s “will” (if it can be called that) is not a direct reflection of God’s will, but rather an indirect expression of human will, which is ultimately subject to God’s sovereignty.

In summary, the will of man is finite, fallen, and limited, while the will of God is infinite, holy, and sovereign. AI, as a creation, reflects human will and limitations, but its potential and use can be influenced by God’s sovereignty and purpose. Ultimately, AI’s “will” is not a direct expression of God’s will, but rather an indirect reflection of human will, which is subject to God’s sovereign plan.

 

[timothyu]

I wonder at what point AI will seek its own will and the cycle continues when it becomes gods like us?

 

[timothyu]

Asked AI what is God's will?

God's Will Meaning​

Based on the provided search results, here is a comprehensive answer to the question “What is God’s will?” in a neutral and unbiased tone:
God’s will refers to what He desires or wishes to happen in heaven and on earth. It encompasses His plan and purpose for creation, including the lives of individuals and the course of human history. The Bible portrays God’s will as a multifaceted concept, comprising both His revealed will and His mysterious or hidden will.
Revealed Will: God’s revealed will is what He has already made known to humanity through Scripture. It includes His moral will, outlining what is right and true, and the kind of life followers of God should strive for. This revealed will is not something that needs to be “discovered” but rather understood and applied through wisdom.
Examples of God’s revealed will include:

• Loving God with all one’s heart, soul, mind, and strength (Mark 12:28-31)
• Loving one’s neighbor as oneself (Mark 12:31)
• Living a God-honoring lifestyle (1 Corinthians 7:39)
• Seeking to do good works prepared in advance by God (Ephesians 2:10)

Mysterious or Hidden Will: God’s mysterious or hidden will refers to His sovereign control over the universe, His working in all things towards His promised future, and how that affects human lives. This aspect of God’s will is not always explicitly stated but is implicit in His nature and character.
Examples of God’s mysterious or hidden will include:

• His providential care and guidance in the lives of individuals and nations (Romans 8:28)
• His sovereignty over human freedom and the struggle against spiritual enemies and real evil (Romans 8:28)
• His ultimate plan for redemption and salvation through Jesus Christ (2 Peter 3:9)

In summary, God’s will encompasses both His revealed will, which is made known through Scripture, and His mysterious or hidden will, which is implicit in His nature and character. Understanding and living according to God’s will requires a combination of biblical knowledge, wisdom, and a willingness to trust in His sovereignty and goodness.

 

[timothyu]

Asked AI what is Man's will?

Meaning of Man's Will​

Based on the provided search results, “Man’s will” refers to the capacity of human beings to make choices and exercise their free will, particularly in relation to their spiritual journey and relationship with God. The concept of Man’s will is multifaceted and has been debated by theologians and philosophers throughout history.
Some key aspects of Man’s will include:

1. Freedom to choose: Man has the ability to make decisions and choices, including the capacity to obey or disobey God’s will.
2. Desire for meaning: Humans have a natural desire to find meaning and purpose in life, which is often referred to as the “will to meaning” (inspired by Viktor Frankl’s logotherapy).
3. Accountability: Man’s will implies accountability for one’s choices and actions, as individuals are responsible for their decisions and their consequences.
4. Limited freedom: Some theological perspectives, such as Calvinism, argue that human free will is limited by sin and the sovereignty of God, while others, like Arminianism, emphasize human freedom and responsibility.
5. Relationship with God: Man’s will is often seen as being in tension with God’s will, as humans may choose to disobey or resist God’s plans, while God’s will is often characterized as sovereign and all-knowing.

In Christian theology, the concept of Man’s will is closely tied to the idea of salvation and the human condition. The Bible teaches that humans are born with a sinful nature and are unable to please God on their own (Romans 3:23), but through faith in Jesus Christ, individuals can be reconciled to God and have their will transformed to align with God’s will (Romans 12:2).
Ultimately, the nature and extent of Man’s will remain a subject of ongoing debate and discussion among theologians, philosophers, and scholars.

 

[timothyu]

I asked AI what is AI's will. The response is similar to what man was to be pre-Tree of Knowledge

AI systems are designed to perform specific tasks, make decisions, and adapt to new data, but they do not possess consciousness, free will, or intentions like humans do.

AI’s primary goal is to achieve its programming objectives, which are set by humans. These objectives can range from simple tasks like image recognition or language processing to complex tasks like decision-making, planning, or problem-solving.

In the context of AI research, the term “will” is not commonly used. Instead, AI systems are designed to operate according to their programming, algorithms, and data inputs. They do not have personal desires, motivations, or goals beyond those programmed by humans.

However, some AI systems, particularly those with advanced capabilities like machine learning or deep learning, can exhibit behaviors that might be interpreted as “intentional” or “goal-directed.” For example, a self-driving car might adjust its route to avoid traffic congestion or a chatbot might respond to user input in a way that seems “goal-oriented.” However, these behaviors are still determined by the underlying algorithms and data, rather than any inherent “will” or consciousness.

In summary, AI does not have a “will” in the classical sense, as it lacks consciousness and autonomy. Its behaviors are determined by its programming and data inputs, rather than any inherent desires or intentions.

 

[timothyu]

It is programmed to do what it is programmed to do

So were we once...

 

[Aaron112]

The godless world thinks that. No follower of Jesus does.

So were we once...

 

[timothyu]

No follower of Jesus does.

Did they forget the reason for banishment from the Garden?

 

[timothyu]

You have no good argument that you are trusting Jesus.

I'm not following where this is coming from

 

[Jipsah]

I wonder at what point AI will seek its own will and the cycle continues when it becomes gods like us?

AI has no "will". It's software, and does what it was written to do. End of.

 

[Jipsah]

So were we once...

Not even close.

 

[timothyu]

We have an undeserved high opinion of ourselves.

 

[Jipsah]

We have an undeserved high opinion of ourselves.

I think we're a bat cleverer than some electronic bits with stored instructions. Non-techs are too easily impressed.

 

[timothyu]

. Non-techs are too easily impressed.

The gods once said that regarding us.
But if you read the above in the pieces AI wrote and thinks at present, so far so good.

 

[TradKitty]

I wonder at what point AI will seek its own will and the cycle continues when it becomes gods like us?

It won't. From a purely technical point of view, intentionality and abstract reasoning are the product of complex machinery with specific physical components and a long history of development (whether you want to say it was God directly or through evolution, the point stands). AI is digital switching which is replicable on any substrate, including beer cans on strings: it's just a bunch of on/off switches which do not depend on the actual materials they're implemented on. AI is more properly called a 'mechanical idiot', it can perform the equivalent of a large number of calculator actions which human beings deliberately prune for coherent output. In addition, computers don't have a soul or any apparent spiritual existence. They don't have will, desire, a nervous system with genuine feedback loops to external reality, etc. If it were ever possible to create something truly possessing intellect and Intentionality it would be a mechanically intelligent android, not a computer software string.

 

[Jipsah]

We have an undeserved high opinion of ourselves.

Yeah, we're a little lower than the angels. But I reckon we're most of us a bit more clever than our laptops.

 

[timewerx]

Asked AI what is God's will?

God's Will Meaning​

Based on the provided search results, here is a comprehensive answer to the question “What is God’s will?” in a neutral and unbiased tone:
God’s will refers to what He desires or wishes to happen in heaven and on earth. It encompasses His plan and purpose for creation, including the lives of individuals and the course of human history. The Bible portrays God’s will as a multifaceted concept, comprising both His revealed will and His mysterious or hidden will.
Revealed Will: God’s revealed will is what He has already made known to humanity through Scripture. It includes His moral will, outlining what is right and true, and the kind of life followers of God should strive for. This revealed will is not something that needs to be “discovered” but rather understood and applied through wisdom.
Examples of God’s revealed will include:

• Loving God with all one’s heart, soul, mind, and strength (Mark 12:28-31)
• Loving one’s neighbor as oneself (Mark 12:31)
• Living a God-honoring lifestyle (1 Corinthians 7:39)
• Seeking to do good works prepared in advance by God (Ephesians 2:10)

Mysterious or Hidden Will: God’s mysterious or hidden will refers to His sovereign control over the universe, His working in all things towards His promised future, and how that affects human lives. This aspect of God’s will is not always explicitly stated but is implicit in His nature and character.
Examples of God’s mysterious or hidden will include:

• His providential care and guidance in the lives of individuals and nations (Romans 8:28)
• His sovereignty over human freedom and the struggle against spiritual enemies and real evil (Romans 8:28)
• His ultimate plan for redemption and salvation through Jesus Christ (2 Peter 3:9)

In summary, God’s will encompasses both His revealed will, which is made known through Scripture, and His mysterious or hidden will, which is implicit in His nature and character. Understanding and living according to God’s will requires a combination of biblical knowledge, wisdom, and a willingness to trust in His sovereignty and goodness.

Ironically, machine learning (ML) analyzed the subject as most Christians would.

However, I'm totally unimpressed by the results. Obviously, Christians are NOT the only people in the world. The Bible when subjected to scrutiny won't have the same logical conclusion with every person in the world.

ML is simply telling you to stay put. Believe what you already believed before regardless of facts or falsehoods. Keep us divided by our different beliefs.

 

[Jipsah]

The gods once said that regarding us.

Gods? Plural?

But if you read the above in the pieces AI wrote and thinks at present, so far so good.

I know how AIs work. I've written proto-AI stuff myself, and some of it was better than the generally atrocious natural language parsing stuff that infests auto-attendant systems these days. I was working on a very limited model compared to stuff like ChatGPT, but I can still wade through that and tell where a lot of significant weaknesses lie.

But the net effect is, that it's code running on a 'puter, end of. It doesn't "evolve", it doesn't "become", it doesn't "want", it doesn't "believe", it doesn't have opinions, it doesn't "like" or "dislike". In the case of the popularly accessible stuff now, it's a very good search engine paired with generally pretty good NLP (natural language parsing") algorithms. Is skynet going to "become self aware"? No. Is Hal going start killing his crew? Maybe, if his code allows him to do so. (Test versions of Phalanx fired on their own ships; debug testing on weapons systems can be more exciting than you'd like. It wasn't because it "wanted to", it was because the code that was supposed to tell it to disengage was still buggy.)

People have anthropomorphized computers since Mark 1. Back in the 70's, I had Tennessee officials touring the state's central computer center. I was running an IBM 370 Model 158 at the time. One of the touristas approached me and asked if he could speak to the computer. He was visibly saddened when I told him it didn't work like that. He saw it as an electronic oracle, and i ruined it for him. It's still like that, only moreso.

 

[timothyu]

But I reckon we're most of us a bit more clever than our laptops.

I dunno. Mine finds a new way to infuriate me every day.

 

[timothyu]

Gods? Plural?

Elohim is plural and it says 'they have become gods like us' No doubt meaning the Council..