Getting AI to seek the will of God

[TradKitty]

Gods? Plural?

I know how AIs work. I've written proto-AI stuff myself, and some of it was better than the generally atrocious natural language parsing stuff that infests auto-attendant systems these days. I was working on a very limited model compared to stuff like ChatGPT, but I can still wade through that and tell where a lot of significant weaknesses lie.

But the net effect is, that it's code running on a 'puter, end of. It doesn't "evolve", it doesn't "become", it doesn't "want", it doesn't "believe", it doesn't have opinions, it doesn't "like" or "dislike". In the case of the popularly accessible stuff now, it's a very good search engine paired with generally pretty good NLP (natural language parsing") algorithms. Is skynet going to "become self aware"? No. Is Hal going start killing his crew? Maybe, if his code allows him to do so. (Test versions of Phalanx fired on their own ships; debug testing on weapons systems can be more exciting than you'd like. It wasn't because it "wanted to", it was because the code that was supposed to tell it to disengage was still buggy.)

People have anthropomorphized computers since Mark 1. Back in the 70's, I had Tennessee officials touring the state's central computer center. I was running an IBM 370 Model 158 at the time. One of the touristas approached me and asked if he could speak to the computer. He was visibly saddened when I told him it didn't work like that. He saw it as an electronic oracle, and i ruined it for him. It's still like that, only moreso.

Exactly, a brain might be considered a computer (we can do symbolic logic with no content and mathematical operations) but we're not just a computer.

 

[Strong in Him]

Asked AI what the difference is between the will of man and the will of God.

Based on the search results provided, here’s a breakdown of the differences between the will of man and the will of God:

Will of Man:​

1. Limited and flawed: Human will is bound by sin and selfishness, leading to choices that are often contrary to God’s will (Romans 3:10-18, Ephesians 2:1-3).
2. Free, but enslaved to sin: Humans have the ability to make choices, but their nature determines the choices they make, and they are often unable to please God without divine intervention (Romans 6:17, Galatians 4:8, Hebrews 11:6).
3. Subject to change: Human will can change and be influenced by various factors, including emotions, circumstances, and other people (James 4:17).
4. Not always aligned with God’s plan: Human will can operate independently of God’s plan, leading to choices that may not align with His ultimate purposes (Isaiah 55:8-9).

Will of God:​

1. Sovereign and autonomous: God’s will is not subject to human influence or change; it is absolute and unchanging (Isaiah 46:10, Psalm 115:3).
2. Perfect and holy: God’s will is always righteous and just, reflecting His character (Romans 9:19-21).
3. Predetermined: God’s will is often described as predetermined, with events and outcomes ordained from eternity past (Ephesians 1:4, 2 Timothy 1:9, Acts 2:23).
4. Unfolding His plan: God’s will is the means by which He accomplishes His ultimate purposes, including salvation, redemption, and restoration (Ephesians 1:10, Revelation 22:20)

AI doesn't even know that the will of God is that we believe in Jesus, John 6:40.
Not very intelligent, then.

 

[timothyu]

AI doesn't even know that the will of God is that we believe in Jesus, John 6:40.

That's one of them.

 

[Strong in Him]

That's one of them.

One of what?

 

[timothyu]

One of what?

One of the Father's wills

 

[Jipsah]

The gods once said that regarding us.
But if you read the above in the pieces AI wrote and thinks at present, so far so good.

AIs don't think. They execute one instruction after another like any other piece of software.

 

[timothyu]

AIs don't think. They execute one instruction after another like any other piece of software.

Our thoughts are based on data input also

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

AIs don't think. They execute one instruction after another like any other piece of software.

I won't go near a definition of the verb "to think"! :-D However, the latest generations of AIs do not execute one instruction after another. They are built around neural-network architecture, which is dramatically different.

 

[Jipsah]

Our thoughts are based on data input also

And table have legs, and hold things, ergo, tables are Just Like Us.

AIs are software. No amount of sophistry is gonna make 'em anything else.

 

[timothyu]

AIs are software.

My legs are hardware

 

[Jipsah]

I won't go near a definition of the verb "to think"! :-D However, the latest generations of AIs do not execute one instruction after another. They are built around neural-network architecture, which is dramatically different.

Parallel processing. Wow. My point was that we're still dealing with the same software paradigms that go back to wired board and punch card days. Computer as Oracle/Mechanical Man goes back to the egg as well. And no, invoking quantam computing does change a thing, since thus far it quantam computing doesn't work, and even when it does, it promiseS, once again, to be TSTOMS, The Same Thing Only More So.

(And at this point I yield the floor to all the folks who never wrote anything more sophisticated than
10 Print "Hello
20 Goto 10
but who are going to school me on Computing In The 21st Century.)

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

AIs are software. No amount of sophistry is gonna make 'em anything else.

AIs are software. That is not the question. The question is, will AIs be designed to deceive people to treat them in particular ways. And it is already happening. The "virtual girlfriend" disease is one of the worse examples out in public now, but there may well be worse in existence.

Recently, my sweet Lori stumbled upon what we think are deception-induction videos from a powerful cult, on YouTube. They were clearly not AI-driven. But it occurred to me, that a very wealthy cult, some of which do exist, could afford the AI processing power to take that methodology and reengineer it into interactivity. And of course, state propaganda is probably the easier build.

But possibly the very worst I have run into so far, was a person who posted on a public forum, who stated that he checks out every single thought he has concerning God, using his favorite AI as authoritative verification.

Interesting times.

 

[Jipsah]

My legs are hardware

Technically "live ware" or "bioware".

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

Parallel processing. Wow. My point was that we're still dealing with the same software paradigms that go back to wired board and punch card days.

No, neural network architecture is not the same thing as parallel processing. In neural network architecture, entire large dynamic 3-D lattices of neurons form large temporary compute units, which examine huge datasets in very large dynamic operations, which can be continuous for growth and development. .

(And at this point I yield the floor to all the folks who never wrote anything more sophisticated than
10 Print "Hello
20 Goto 10
but who are going to school me on Computing In The 21st Century.)

You might want to think about making better guesses as to whom you are talking.

 

[Jipsah]

AIs are software. That is not the question. The question is, will AIs be designed to deceive people to treat them in particular ways.

Simple anwer: Yes.

And it is already happening. The "virtual girlfriend" disease is one of the worse examples out in public now, but there may well be worse in existence.

Of course there are, and it's only going to get worse, especially when people are taught to believe that AI is actual "intelligent" in a human sense; that it thinks and believes and feels and yahr=ta yahta.. The "virtual friends" and such are somewhere more sophisticated offspring of ancient "Eliza", but the illiterati don't know any of that. All they know is that AIs Know Everything, and that they (the AIs) appear to "understand" what you type in. Tadah!, welcome the Mechanical Man; the El;ectronic Oracle.

Recently, my sweet Lori stumbled upon what we think are deception-induction videos from a powerful cult, on YouTube. They were clearly not AI-driven. But it occurred to me, that a very wealthy cult, some of which do exist, could afford the AI processing power to take that methodology and reengineer it into interactivity. And of course, state propaganda is probably the easier build.

Engine's the same in either case. If you've got a slick enough Natural Language Processor, the rest is simply web scraping,

But possibly the very worst I have run into so far, was a person who posted on a public forum, who stated that he checks out every single thought he has concerning God, using his favorite AI as authoritative verification.

The credulous we will always have with us, and they've always been eager to accept almost any kind of rubbish if it's made to sound good.

Interesting times.

Always.

 

[Jipsah]

No, neural network architecture is not the same thing as parallel processing. In neural network architecture, entire large dynamic 3-D lattices of neurons form large temporary compute units, which examine huge datasets in very large dynamic operations, which can be continuous for growth and development. .

You might want to think about making better guesses as to whom you are talking.

If you're talking about simple advances in processing power, that never ends, but it's all a matter of scale, innit? If you're a computer pro you know that as well as I do, so let's not join, or encourage, the people who are ready to proclaim any sufficiently slick NLP sitting on top of a large enough database The 2nd Coming.

 

[Strong in Him]

One of the Father's wills

True - the others are:
"It is God's will that you should be sanctified", 1 Thessalonians 4:3 and
"Rejoice always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus", 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18.

God's will seems to be more about being than doing - believe in God's Son, be holy, live a thankful and prayerful life.
I believe this is far more important to God than whether we become plumbers, teachers or nurses.

 

[timothyu]

I believe this is far more important to God than whether we become plumbers, teachers or nurses.

Since the Garden he has said to put His will first, meaning not our own. Self interest is not the way of God or His Kingdom as the self interest of Eve then Adam showed. along with all the other examples in the Bible. Self interest is the original sin and behind all other examples of sin we can come up with.

 

[Strong in Him]

Since the Garden he has said to put His will first, meaning not our own. Self interest is not the way of God or His Kingdom as the self interest of Eve then Adam showed. along with all the other examples in the Bible. Self interest is the original sin and behind all other examples of sin we can come up with.

Sorry, but what's that got to do with what I said?

 

[timothyu]

Sorry, but what's that got to do with what I said?

"God's will seems to be more about being than doing - believe in God's Son, be holy, live a thankful and prayerful life"

Since the Garden he has said to put His will first, meaning not our own. Self interest is not the way of God or His Kingdom as the self interest of Eve then Adam showed. along with all the other examples in the Bible. Self interest is the original sin and behind all other examples of sin we can come up with.