Germany gets contracts for american highspeed train system

[IbrahimFahim]

Posted by Ar Cosc:

"And your refusal to tax the rich an appropriate amount has left your country in not much better of a state."

According to the IRS:

1. The top 1% of America’s income-earners, those making over $380 K a year, generate 20% of all personal income and pay 38% of all federal income taxes.

2. Those making over $113 K a year earn 46% of total personal income and pay 70% of all taxes.

3. The remaining tax paying public make 54% of total personal income and pay only 30% of all federal taxes.

Where do your numbers come from? They appear unreliable. A recent study on wealth inequality was conducted by individuals from Harvard Business School and Duke University, that concluded that the top quintile owned 85% of the wealth in the country, a disparity that unsurprisingly most Americans were completely unaware of. Their study is short, I recommend the read.

Building a Better America – One Wealth Quintile at a Time

In addition, the Tax Foundation has recently calculated that the portion of US Federal tax returns submitted by those who have NO tax liabiilty is now more than 35% of returns filed.

The rich deserve to be able to keep the wealth they have worked for and accumlated just as everyone else. Unless one is of the mindset that "the Rich" are all evil and appropriated all of their wealth on the backs of and at the expense of "the poor", which apparently you do.

It is hardly unreasonable to allow a redistribution of wealth through the tax system to create a minimum level of wealth and thereby create a more just society. A floor that no man's income could drop below would be preferable from a stability point of view. This has been proposed as an alternative to welfare. This is neither socialist, communist, Marxist, though it is very Progressive in outlook.

 

[allhart]

When a person analyzes problems and becomes lost. They start all over at the beginning.....Our Gov't is confined to the Constitution basically as a contract with "We The People" it is defined as the following. To protect our Life, Liberty in our pursuit of happiness! As it stands the Gov't is over reaching and can't conclude on anything because they are all over the place! Dabbles into a little of everything(everyone's life) and isn't proficient at anything!

BTW we can see that effect in our deficits and Taxation without representation!

 

[RETS]

You sure do spend a lot of time on an American politics forum for someone who hates America so much. Maybe you should look in your own back garden and solve some of your own problems before you decided to tell America what it should do. Considering she is the most prosperous and free nation the world has known, she must have done something right.

None of what you say is true. In accordance with board rules, please support your claim with evidence.

I notice this response is the backup play this fool has for anything which questions his motives. Veritas, I have a suggestion: Just copy and past his entire post history.

I hope you are joking. What possibly makes you think building breeder reactors would be preferable to fuel reprocessing?

And I hope you are joking. Thorium is one of the few nuclear elements that can be used on a miniaturized level- A reactor the size of an average car's engine can supply a constant power flow large enough to power the vehicle for a hundred years.

However, by your comment, you have cemented my opinion of you.

Separatism FTW!!!

Complete separatism might not be so bad for a period of time- True that.

When a person analyzes problems and becomes lost. They start all over at the beginning.....Our Gov't is confined to the Constitution basically as a contract with "We The People" it is defined as the following. To protect our Life, Liberty in our pursuit of happiness! As it stands the Gov't is over reaching and can't conclude on anything because they are all over the place! Dabbles into a little of everything(everyone's life) and isn't proficient at anything!

BTW we can see that effect in our deficits and Taxation without representation!

Allhart, I have to ask: Do you always use exclamation points in every post? Most of what you say I agree with, I'm just curious about the punctuation. It makes you appear to be an excitable, slightly unbalanced individual, which contradicts your obvious intellect. Thus the reason I'm asking.

We feel the same way about you.

Don't know if "we" means ALL of us, but I'm with you.

And it all comes from taxpayers. Once again, the non-users will subsidize the users.

But that is exactly the sort of government the Ibrams and M&Ms and Eriks (etc.) would prefer the US to die by.

 

[allhart]

I notice this response is the backup play this fool has for anything which questions his motives. Veritas, I have a suggestion: Just copy and past his entire post history.




And I hope you are joking. Thorium is one of the few nuclear elements that can be used on a miniaturized level- A reactor the size of an average car's engine can supply a constant power flow large enough to power the vehicle for a hundred years.

However, by your comment, you have cemented my opinion of you.




Complete separatism might not be so bad for a period of time- True that.




Allhart, I have to ask: Do you always use exclamation points in every post? Most of what you say I agree with, I'm just curious about the punctuation. It makes you appear to be an excitable, slightly unbalanced individual, which contradicts your obvious intellect. Thus the reason I'm asking.




Don't know if "we" means ALL of us, but I'm with you.




But that is exactly the sort of government the Ibrams and M&Ms and Eriks (etc.) would prefer the US to die by.

My bad, but thanks for your impressions of me and I will work at toning down my verbiage/punctuation lolI need the constructive criticism.

 

[allhart]

I ask.....hasn't the Gov't broken their contract in S.S.......the lock box? Their budgeting over flowed into self benefit. Gov't can't sit back and do nothing. Gov't is always looking to interject authority by playing on the morality of the people for power and tax money.......In-like the pharisees that had JC killed in wanting to keep their prestige.

 

[MorkandMindy]

I notice this response is the backup play this fool has for anything which questions his motives. Veritas, I have a suggestion: Just copy and past his entire post history.

Matt 5 22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

 

[RETS]

Matt 5 22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Thanks for the reminder, but I also have one for you: He is no brother of mine.

 

[RETS]

My bad, but thanks for your impressions of me and I will work at toning down my verbiage/punctuation lolI need the constructive criticism.

No problem. I was hoping you wouldn't take it personally.

 

[MorkandMindy]

And I hope you are joking. Thorium is one of the few nuclear elements that can be used on a miniaturized level- A reactor the size of an average car's engine can supply a constant power flow large enough to power the vehicle for a hundred years.

However, by your comment, you have cemented my opinion of you.

Do you have any evidence for this claim about Thorium?

 

[brindisi]

I fall neatly into this trap myself. I'm not overweight but have fat when I shouldn't. I'm a naturally thin person with a gut. I almost never walk anywhere unless I'm on vacation somewhere.

I understand about vacations. When I'm traveling I walk an enormous amount, and live on coffee, fruits and vegtables.

I probably ought to remember that when I'm home.

 

[Gawron]

Posted by IbrahimFahim:

“Where do your numbers come from? They appear unreliable.”

As stated in my post, they come from the IRS. Specifically, IRS.gov.

Link: http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/indtaxst...=98123,00.html

“It is hardly unreasonable to allow a redistribution of wealth through the tax system to create a minimum level of wealth and thereby create a more just society…..This is neither socialist, communist, Marxist, though it is very Progressive in outlook.”

It is all of the above, at some level. On the redistribution of wealth, quote:

“The primary motivation behind liberal economic theology is the basic premise that the poor are too poor and the rich are too rich. They see a world in which upper class is enriches themselves of the backs of the poor.

There are various levels of socialist thought, from the die-hard communists to democratic socialists to progressive liberals. The methods for achieving economic utopia vary from group to group, but they all employ the same basic principles. They all want to use the power of government to take goods and services from the 'haves', and transfer their plunder to the 'have-nots'. They all strive towards the same goal - economic equality. They only differ in the level of government supremacy they believe will be required in order to achieve their goal.”

Source: http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/ct...ibution_1.html

 

[RETS]

Do you have any evidence for this claim about Thorium?

Sore because I stated he wasn't my brother?


As a matter of fact- Feel free to read up on it. (Point of interest- A quick Google search will turn all of these up and more.)


The Energy From Thorium webpage.

Article from The Columbus Dispatch: "The Mighty Thorium."

Thorium Energy Inc webpage.

The webpage of the Thorium Energy Alliance.

Article from London's The Independent: "Is Thorium the Answer to Our Energy Crisis?" (dated from 2006!!)

An article from the magazine Wired.

What the World Nuclear Association has to say on the subject: Thorium.

Wikipedia- Included only because everyone expects it to be, and because I help to edit... Hey, I can have ulterior motives!


Finally, this is what got me really thinking about Thorium- the W-T-F.

 

[IbrahimFahim]

Posted by IbrahimFahim:

“Where do your numbers come from? They appear unreliable.”

As stated in my post, they come from the IRS. Specifically, IRS.gov.

Link: http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/indtaxst...=98123,00.html

Your link goes to the IRS main webpage. Do you have something that specifically supports your argument. Saying that it is somewhere on the IRS website is not support, and violates the board rules.

“It is hardly unreasonable to allow a redistribution of wealth through the tax system to create a minimum level of wealth and thereby create a more just society…..This is neither socialist, communist, Marxist, though it is very Progressive in outlook.”

It is all of the above, at some level. On the redistribution of wealth, quote:

“The primary motivation behind liberal economic theology is the basic premise that the poor are too poor and the rich are too rich. They see a world in which upper class is enriches themselves of the backs of the poor.

There are various levels of socialist thought, from the die-hard communists to democratic socialists to progressive liberals. The methods for achieving economic utopia vary from group to group, but they all employ the same basic principles. They all want to use the power of government to take goods and services from the 'haves', and transfer their plunder to the 'have-nots'. They all strive towards the same goal - economic equality. They only differ in the level of government supremacy they believe will be required in order to achieve their goal.”

Source: http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/ct...ibution_1.html

I am quoting Conservative economic thought to you. How is it Socialist?

From Milton Friedman's "Capitalism and Freedom" Chapter 12, page 192 (Fortieth Anniversary Edition).

"In this way [through a negative income tax], it would be possible to set a floor below which no man's net income could fall"

Is Milton Friedman a Socialist/Communist/Marxist? Please explain?

 

[IbrahimFahim]

Sore because I stated he wasn't my brother?


As a matter of fact- Feel free to read up on it. (Point of interest- A quick Google search will turn all of these up and more.)


The Energy From Thorium webpage.

Article from The Columbus Dispatch: "The Mighty Thorium."

Thorium Energy Inc webpage.

The webpage of the Thorium Energy Alliance.

Article from London's The Independent: "Is Thorium the Answer to Our Energy Crisis?" (dated from 2006!!)

An article from the magazine Wired.

What the World Nuclear Association has to say on the subject: Thorium.

Wikipedia- Included only because everyone expects it to be, and because I help to edit... Hey, I can have ulterior motives!


Finally, this is what got me really thinking about Thorium- the W-T-F.

RETS, how would you like a formal one on one discussion on the future of the nuclear industry, you could promote Thorium as a nuclear fuel? I will initiate.

 

[MacNeil, D.]

...
We earn a good contract and you guys get the best product you can get.

Do you know where the proposed lines are?

 

[RETS]

RETS, how would you like a formal one on one discussion on the future of the nuclear industry, you could promote Thorium as a nuclear fuel? I will initiate.

As tempting as that offer is, I must decline on the basis of lack of respect as pertains to both participating parties.

 

[IbrahimFahim]

As tempting as that offer is, I must decline on the basis of lack of respect as pertains to both participating parties.

You can insult me but you are afraid to debate me? I am skilled in nuclear knowledge, I assure you. I will start a thread about the future of nuclear power and you can chime in with knowledge if you like.

 

[WalksWithChrist]

I understand about vacations. When I'm traveling I walk an enormous amount, and live on coffee, fruits and vegtables.

I probably ought to remember that when I'm home.

I have a solution.

We all just stay on vacation!

 

[Gawron]

Posted by IbrahimFahim:

“I am quoting Conservative economic thought to you.”

You are quoting the thoughts of one economist. From an article entitled “Friedman’s Mistake”, by Laurence M. Vance.

Quote:

“Part of the confusion arises from the name and the ideological origins of the program. Milton Friedman's 1962 book Capitalism and Freedom made a surprising concession to the socialists. He said we need "a floor below which no man's net income...could fall," a program also called a guaranteed national income. It should be provided through a "negative income tax," said Friedman, an odd phrase for an outright cash subsidy administered through the tax system. We might as well call a tax a "negative wage."

“In his program, if a person's income exceeds exemptions and deductions, he pays a tax. If it falls under, he pays a "negative tax," i.e. gets a check. The idea claimed to use the tax code to encourage people to get off conventional welfare and live on earned income, while creating no new bureaucracies. And what will keep the program under control? The self-restraint and good will of the electorate.”

“But Friedman failed to consider how this system would work in the real world. People undertake adaptive strategies to get on and stay on the dole whenever it's available. That the program is cheap to administer makes it all the more dangerous. Refuting Friedman, Henry Hazlitt showed that the only way to get people off welfare is to stop the payments.”

Source: https://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=158

“How is it Socialist?”

As stated, he made “a surprising concession to the socialists”, as it advocated a redistribution of wealth through the use of federal tax codes.

 

[IbrahimFahim]

Posted by IbrahimFahim:

“I am quoting Conservative economic thought to you.”

You are quoting the thoughts of one economist. From an article entitled “Friedman’s Mistake”, by Laurence M. Vance.

Quote:

“Part of the confusion arises from the name and the ideological origins of the program. Milton Friedman's 1962 book Capitalism and Freedom made a surprising concession to the socialists. He said we need "a floor below which no man's net income...could fall," a program also called a guaranteed national income. It should be provided through a "negative income tax," said Friedman, an odd phrase for an outright cash subsidy administered through the tax system. We might as well call a tax a "negative wage."

“In his program, if a person's income exceeds exemptions and deductions, he pays a tax. If it falls under, he pays a "negative tax," i.e. gets a check. The idea claimed to use the tax code to encourage people to get off conventional welfare and live on earned income, while creating no new bureaucracies. And what will keep the program under control? The self-restraint and good will of the electorate.”

“But Friedman failed to consider how this system would work in the real world. People undertake adaptive strategies to get on and stay on the dole whenever it's available. That the program is cheap to administer makes it all the more dangerous. Refuting Friedman, Henry Hazlitt showed that the only way to get people off welfare is to stop the payments.”

Source: https://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=158

“How is it Socialist?”

As stated, he made “a surprising concession to the socialists”, as it advocated a redistribution of wealth through the use of federal tax codes.

Can you explain how it is socialist? Please use a definition of socialism with a source.