George Zimmerman, the Constitution, and the shifting politics of self-defense

[Tomas de Torquemada]

There is evidence that Zimmerman started it.

If Tryvon was on top of Zimmerman when he was shot, how did he wind up face down on the ground? Why wasn't Zimmerman covered with Trayvon's blood? There may be good answers, but I haven't heard them yet.

ROMEO

Courage, man; the hurt cannot be much.


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MERCUTIO

No, 'tis not so deep as a well, nor so wide as a
church-door; but 'tis enough,'twill serve: ask for
me to-morrow, and you shall find me a grave man.

- Romeo and Juliet, William Shakespeare​

despite what your tarantino movies and anime's would leave you to believe, creatures are not blood balloons.

 

[jlujan69]

...by Zimbots .

"Zimbots" and "Tray-heads"? Thought I'd add some balance.

 

[DaisyDay]

ROMEO

Courage, man; the hurt cannot be much.


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MERCUTIO

No, 'tis not so deep as a well, nor so wide as a
church-door; but 'tis enough,'twill serve: ask for
me to-morrow, and you shall find me a grave man.

- Romeo and Juliet, William Shakespeare​

Nice quotes.

despite what your tarantino movies and anime's would leave you to believe, creatures are not blood balloons.

Nevertheless, don't you think if you shoot someone at close range - who is on top of you, not beside you or merely in front of you - the blood would splatter?

Lady MacBeth

Who would have thought the old man would have so much blood in him?

- MacBeth, William Shakespeare​

 

[BleedingHeart]

"Zimbots" and "Tray-heads"? Thought I'd add some balance.

Tray-heads actually is kind of funny.

 

[BleedingHeart]

Then how did he end up confronting him again? Why did he follow him to begin with? The girlfriend stated she heard martin saying he was being followed just prior to the confrontation.

There is also the fact the crime scene was quite a distance from where he was told to stop following him, through back yards. Why would he have been there?

It doesn't add up at all.

Not to mention it reeks of Hollywood cliches.

Trayvon: You got a problem?
Zimmerman: Nup.
Trayvon: You do now!

*Pokemon battle music starts*

In all seriousness, a serious fight started just like that? No argument? Sorry, but I'm not buying it.

 

[MachZer0]

Then how did he end up confronting him again? Why did he follow him to begin with? The girlfriend stated she heard martin saying he was being followed just prior to the confrontation.

There is also the fact the crime scene was quite a distance from where he was told to stop following him, through back yards. Why would he have been there?

It doesn't add up at all.

He followed him and when the 911 operator told him he didn't need to, Zimmerman said OK. there is no evidence that he continued following him beyond that point. And the reason to follow him in the first place was to let police know where Martin was when they arrived. Where he was at the time of the confrontation is irrelevant because Zimmerman had every right to be there. Martin, however did not have the right to punch Zimmerman in the nose, knock him to the ground and pound his head into the ground.

 

[HerbieHeadley]

He followed him and when the 911 operator told him he didn't need to, Zimmerman said OK. there is no evidence that he continued following him beyond that point. And the reason to follow him in the first place was to let police know where Martin was when they arrived. Where he was at the time of the confrontation is irrelevant because Zimmerman had every right to be there. Martin, however did not have the right to punch Zimmerman in the nose, knock him to the ground and pound his head into the ground.

And slam his head on the cement, or grab for Zimmerman's gun.

I read somewhere that they found Zimmerman's flashlight at the intersection of the sidewalk and not where the Travon's body was found. This indicates more evidence that Zimmerman was going back to his vehicle like he had stated before the unprovoked and viscious assault by Martin occurred.

http://www.clickorlando.com/blob/view/-/15490330/data/1/-/kligxm/-/Zimmerman-documents.pdf

 

[HerbieHeadley]

[URL]http://www.clickorlando.com/blob/view/-/15490330/data/1/-/kligxm/-/Zimmerman-documents.pdf[/URL]

Detective in Zimmerman case said he was pressured to file charges

Telling the FBI that he was concerned that people inside the police department were leaking information, Serino cited Sgt. Arthur Barnes, officers Rebecca Villalona and Trekelle Perkins “as all pressuring him to file charges against Zimmerman after the incident,” an FBI report said. “Serino did not believe he had enough evidence at the time to file charges.”


The summary of Serino’s statement does not mention the race of the officers who allegedly pressured him, but sources told The Miami Herald that Barnes and Perkins are black, and Villalona is married to an African-American man. All three, the source said, had been called in by their supervisor and questioned about leaking information in the case.

Read more here: Detective in Zimmerman case said he was pressured to file charges - Trayvon Martin - MiamiHerald.com

"Records released Thursday show that Sgt. Barnes, a 25-year veteran of the department, told the FBI that he believed the black community would be “in an uproar” if Zimmerman was not charged. “The community will be satisfied if an arrest takes place,”"

 

[HerbieHeadley]

Crime scene photos taken by Sanford Police Department in the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman case–released in the defense discovery on 7-12-2012.

Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman Crime Scene Photos | AxiomAmnesia.com Presents They Always Get Away: Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman Documents, Photos, Videos, Audio, and Articles

 

[Touma]

He followed him and when the 911 operator told him he didn't need to, Zimmerman said OK. there is no evidence that he continued following him beyond that point. And the reason to follow him in the first place was to let police know where Martin was when they arrived. Where he was at the time of the confrontation is irrelevant because Zimmerman had every right to be there. Martin, however did not have the right to punch Zimmerman in the nose, knock him to the ground and pound his head into the ground.

Let me know how not defending yourself works when a strange man approaches you at night after having stalked you from a vehicle, WITH a weapon on the side.

 

[MachZer0]

Let me know how not defending yourself works when a strange man approaches you at night after having stalked you from a vehicle, WITH a weapon on the side.

We have no evidence that Zimmerman approached Martin, and we have no evidence that Zimmerman stalked Martin. We do, however, know that Zimmerman was well within his legal rights to be carrying a concealed weapon

 

[Touma]

We have no evidence that Zimmerman approached Martin, and we have no evidence that Zimmerman stalked Martin. We do, however, know that Zimmerman was well within his legal rights to be carrying a concealed weapon

Didn't approach Martin...So the guy just got of his truck, taking an innocent stroll down the side walk and Martin jumped out of the bushes for NO REASON and attacked the guy?

 

[MachZer0]

Didn't approach Martin...So the guy just got of his truck, taking an innocent stroll down the side walk and Martin jumped out of the bushes for NO REASON and attacked the guy?

Haven't heard the Martin jumped out of the bushes, but I have heard that it was Martin who approached Zimmerman. Noting that there is no evidence to dispute that claim.

 

[mpok1519]

It's a bizarre day when it's considered a right to shoot the young thug bouncing your head off the concrete?

People keep making this story into something it's not. It's about who started a fight.

It's not about racism, it's not about the repeal of "duty to retreat" laws. Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman when he shot him, "duty to retreat" was satisfied. "Duty to retreat" does not mean he shouldn't have questioned or followed Trayvon, "duty to retreat" laws refers to a duty to retreat from a threat of death or serious injury. In order for this to be a duty to retreat case, Trayvon would have to be the aggressor. You can't have Trayvon be both an innocent kid and someone who couldn't have been shot under "duty to retreat" laws, but like I said "duty to retreat" would not even apply to this case.

Funny how it's not about racism.

Yet, you probably wouldn't have referred to Martin as a "young thug" if he was white.

 

[mpok1519]

We have no evidence that Zimmerman approached Martin, and we have no evidence that Zimmerman stalked Martin. We do, however, know that Zimmerman was well within his legal rights to be carrying a concealed weapon

Keep lying to yourself. This whole thing would never have happened had Zimmerman not been such an idiot, stalking skittles-eating teenagers with a gun.

I hope he rots. He's a proven liar, so why you would trust a word he says speaks volumes.

 

[MachZer0]

Funny how it's not about racism.

Yet, you probably wouldn't have referred to Martin as a "young thug" if he was white.

So a white youth bouncing someone's head off the ground wouldn't be a thug? Who knew?

 

[stamperben]

Funny how it's not about racism.

Yet, you probably wouldn't have referred to Martin as a "young thug" if he was white.

The whole incident would not have happened if Martin was white.

 

[MachZer0]

The whole incident would not have happened if Martin was white.

There's no reason for us to believe that

 

[Vylo]

We have no evidence that Zimmerman approached Martin, and we have no evidence that Zimmerman stalked Martin. We do, however, know that Zimmerman was well within his legal rights to be carrying a concealed weapon

So Martin magically teleported Zimmerman down a back alley? That's an amazing trick.

 

[MachZer0]

So Martin magically teleported Zimmerman down a back alley? That's an amazing trick.

First off, Zimmerman had every legal right to be there. But I'll ask a question again that nobody has been willing to answer. When the 911 operator told Zimmerman he didn't need to follow Martin, and Zimmerman said, OK, where was he?