George Soros 60 Minutes Interview

[USincognito]

And the moon is made out of cheese. Thanks for the fact check. See you at the polls.

Bookmarked.

 

[USincognito]

.Other than that I'm really shocked to find out you don't believe something I posted. I'm so shocked I almost don't know what to do with myself.

Thanks for actually addressing the substance of my reply instead of talking about me in the first half of your post. This smarmy flaming is not a good idea though.

 

[LostMarbels]

Thanks for actually addressing the substance of my reply instead of talking about me in the first half of your post. This smarmy flaming is not a good idea though.

no sir, flaming is something inflammatory in order to elicit an emotional response. Stating something is a straw man or making a reference that you do not believe what the other person is saying is just stating an opinion.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Lots of things wouldn’t stand up to the burden of proof required by a court, yet that doesn’t change their accuracy. Without the implication that Soros collaborated, this thread is utterly meaningless. If you feel differently, please explain it’s significance.

Why do you think 60 minutes wanted to address the topic with Soros?

 

[Kentonio]

Why do you think 60 minutes wanted to address the topic with Soros?

Because surviving the holocaust is a pretty important event in a person life?

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Because surviving the holocaust is a pretty important event in a person life?

Do you think there might be some Jews who don't like the way he survived it?

 

[Kentonio]

Do you think there might be some Jews who don't like the way he survived it?

Nope, I think any Jew who judged a 14 year old boy for not doing anything wrong would be delusional quite frankly.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Nope, I think any Jew who judged a 14 year old boy for not doing anything wrong would be delusional quite frankly.

So you're saying a man should not be judged for what he did in his teens?

 

[Kentonio]

So you're saying a man should not be judged for what he did in his teens?

He didn’t do anything wrong in his teens, and I’m confused by why you keep implying he did.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Why do you think 60 minutes wanted to address the topic with Soros?

Since 60 Minutes is not available for comment, why did you?

 

[TLK Valentine]

So you're saying a man should not be judged for what he did in his teens?

I would never recommend Soros for the Supreme Court, if that's where you're going.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

I would never recommend Soros for the Supreme Court, if that's where you're going.

I would never recommend Soros for anything.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I would never recommend Soros for anything.

Well, fortunately, he's become rich and successful without your recommendations... I suppose he'll just have to make do.

So... where were you going with this?

 

[Ana the Ist]

I get the feeling that some people aren't happy with my thread.

What's it about Living?

I read through about half the pages and I don't get it. Lots of jews were forced into horrific decisions of choosing who amongst them would live or die. There were even jews who pulled bodies from gas chambers to piles for burning...all while knowing they would be next when their work was done.

It's an unimaginable situation, and it's hard for anyone to judge those who survived it.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Do you think there might be some Jews who don't like the way he survived it?

Probably -- but I also think there might be some Jews who wish they'd thought of it first... of course, since they didn't, they ended up in the ovens.

 

[TLK Valentine]

What's it about Living?

I read through about half the pages and I don't get it. Lots of jews were forced into horrific decisions of choosing who amongst them would live or die. There were even jews who pulled bodies from gas chambers to piles for burning...all while knowing they would be next when their work was done.

It's an unimaginable situation, and it's hard for anyone to judge those who survived it.

Yes, butfor some people, when one of those survivors is young George Soros, it suddenly becomes very easy to judge.

The thought process is actually quite simple: Soros is evil incarnate, therefore any action he made in his lifetime is irredeemably evil as well.

 

[LostMarbels]

Yes, butfor some people, when one of those survivors is young George Soros, it suddenly becomes very easy to judge.

The thought process is actually quite simple: Soros is evil incarnate, therefore any action he made in his lifetime is irredeemably evil as well.

When I sit here and reflect on what is known I become conflicted. What would I do?

Would I lie, cheat, steal, and kill Nazis to stay alive? Yes, I would.

Would I break laws, hide Jews, give them aid and risk even my own family, Yes.

But..... could I participate in fleecing my own people? I couldn't do it.

Could I be the one that drags the dead to the ovens? I do not have the callousness to do such a thing.

Or could I be a Capo in the concentration camp and rule over my own people even sending them to their death? No, I couldn't.

There are 3 things I consider when I put myself in someones position:

I am not them: I was born May 17th 1975 in Washington DC. I have a vastly different perspective than a Jew in Nazi occupied territory. Even a different sociological outlook because I am an American. My emotional response is not valid.

What were they going thru: Jews at this time were going thru a multitude of attitudes, perceptions, and emotions. From disbelief, fear, uncertainty and even faith that nothing was actually happening. For most, it wasn't until they were in the camp, or in the showers before they realized the full truth.

Preclusions, and perceptions of morality: It is hard to judge a Jewish women that prostituted herself to garner favor with Nazis. A slave that kills a sleeping master. A man that lies, kills and steals to aid Jews. Or even a saboteur and hit man that took many lives. The cold blooded murder, and assassin of Adolf Hitler would have been alluded as heroic through-out history.


Without an in depth look into his situation and what his cohorts were involved in, I cannot come to a conclusion of what György Schwartz's mental state and/or motivations were in the 1930's-1940's. Admittedly, that is not something I have done. Never cared to, but maybe I should.

The conclusions I have come to rely on common sense and reason. Even if I do not understand 'what' was behind the 'why' for his actions at the time. He does. He lived it. We all know hindsight is 20/20, so if even at the time he was honestly naive of the situation, by the time of this interview in 1998 he knew full well the implications of his actions. He shows no pity or remorse and just easily explains it away. That is bothersome.

 

[TLK Valentine]

When I sit here and reflect on what is known I become conflicted. What would I do?

Would I lie, cheat, steal, and kill Nazis to stay alive? Yes, I would.

Would I break laws, hide Jews, give them aid and risk even my own family, Yes.

Sounds like you'd have no problem playing the hero.... hypothetically, of course.

But..... could I participate in fleecing my own people? I couldn't do it.

Could I be the one that drags the dead to the ovens? I do not have the callousness to do such a thing.

Consider that option B is that someone else drags you to the ovens.

Everyone wants to be Captain America and win the war... but sometimes the best you can do is survive... and you can't always take the high road to do it.

Or could I be a Capo in the concentration camp and rule over my own people even sending them to their death? No, I couldn't.

I'm not sure I could either -- but considering the alternative...

There are 3 things I consider when I put myself in someones position:

I am not them: I was born May 17th 1975 in Washington DC. I have a vastly different perspective than a Jew in Nazi occupied territory. Even a different sociological outlook because I am an American. My emotional response is not valid.

What were they going thru: Jews at this time were going thru a multitude of attitudes, perceptions, and emotions. From disbelief, fear, uncertainty and even faith that nothing was actually happening. For most, it wasn't until they were in the camp, or in the showers before they realized the full truth.

Preclusions, and perceptions of morality: It is hard to judge a Jewish women that prostituted herself to garner favor with Nazis. A slave that kills a sleeping master. A man that lies, kills and steals to aid Jews. Or even a saboteur and hit man that took many lives. The cold blooded murder, and assassin of Adolf Hitler would have been alluded as heroic through-out history.


Without an in depth look into his situation and what his cohorts were involved in, I cannot come to a conclusion of what György Schwartz's mental state and/or motivations were in the 1930's-1940's. Admittedly, that is not something I have done. Never cared to, but maybe I should.

It's all too easy for us to play armchair moralists... but we always have to place ourselves in the mind as well as the shoes of the people we study in history...

The conclusions I have come to rely on common sense and reason. Even if I do not understand 'what' was behind the 'why' for his actions at the time. He does. He lived it. We all know hindsight is 20/20, so if even at the time he was honestly naive of the situation, by the time of this interview in 1998 he knew full well the implications of his actions. He shows no pity or remorse and just easily explains it away. That is bothersome.

Again, he was there, we weren't. I can't make any snap judgements over his mental state either, but if sucking up to the Nazis kept me out of the camps and out of the ovens, I wouldn't shed too many tears over it, either.