Genesis

[Believer69]

Now i have been told that genesis is not a factual account of creation and shouldnt be taken seriously.

"The Beginning

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. 3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.
11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.
14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day."

Here we see that god creates water before he creates the stars. But what is water? Hydrogen and oxygen. And where is oxygen made? In stars. This innacuracy of the story. Would this be a reason to take genesis less seriously and that is is not factual. But if one thing is wrong does that mean that the whole book is incorrect? Does this mean that cain and abel never happened or Abraham and should be taken symbolically? And if this does discredit the creation story then how can we trust the story's that follow? Did adam and eve really happen and if not then did man not fall. And then jesus was pointless.

I have been told that the main point is that god created the world, it isnt meant to be taken as litereal the main point is god created the world. But to me it seems like this someone comes into a police station and tells them how he was murdered. They follow up their story and realise that their claims are false. Then how can they trust this witness as a credible source? they cannot?

For me when i read the story and see its blatent falseness. I do not then think, oh this cant be literal, this cant be what god sent down. And therefore choose is to be symbolic. but then read another part and thing yes this is the truth. But how is that other part not symbolic? If one part is symbolic doesnt all of it have to be? You cant just pick and choose to suit you because then it is false. For me when i read genesis i read that it is not true and accept it. I do not try to search for a reason behind it, whether that be a symbolic one because then arnt i just searching in myself to see what i want to see. Not what people have believed as the truth and actual account of creation.

Im also interested in a person who believes genesis is literal and their response to that water cant come before the stars.

 

[Believer69]

(if some of it does not make sense please tell me, i sortof got distracted and went of on a tangent)

 

[drich0150]

Now i have been told that genesis is not a factual account of creation and shouldnt be taken seriously.

"The Beginning

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. 3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.
11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.
14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day."

Here we see that god creates water before he creates the stars. But what is water? Hydrogen and oxygen. And where is oxygen made? In stars. This innacuracy of the story. Would this be a reason to take genesis less seriously and that is is not factual. But if one thing is wrong does that mean that the whole book is incorrect? Does this mean that cain and abel never happened or Abraham and should be taken symbolically? And if this does discredit the creation story then how can we trust the story's that follow? Did adam and eve really happen and if not then did man not fall. And then jesus was pointless.

I have been told that the main point is that god created the world, it isnt meant to be taken as litereal the main point is god created the world. But to me it seems like this someone comes into a police station and tells them how he was murdered. They follow up their story and realise that their claims are false. Then how can they trust this witness as a credible source? they cannot?

For me when i read the story and see its blatent falseness. I do not then think, oh this cant be literal, this cant be what god sent down. And therefore choose is to be symbolic. but then read another part and thing yes this is the truth. But how is that other part not symbolic? If one part is symbolic doesnt all of it have to be? You cant just pick and choose to suit you because then it is false. For me when i read genesis i read that it is not true and accept it. I do not try to search for a reason behind it, whether that be a symbolic one because then arnt i just searching in myself to see what i want to see. Not what people have believed as the truth and actual account of creation.

Im also interested in a person who believes genesis is literal and their response to that water cant come before the stars.

I'd like to look at the other side of your argument, in that How much faith does it take to believe that stars create oxygen. After all how many stars have we visited? took oxygen samples from? How many stars can we even see well enough to monitor the level of oxygen production?

If the answer to all of these things are 0 then why do you assume that star in fact do indeed produce oxygen? Because someone "smarter" than you told you it was so? Do you have this type of bind faith in everything except matters of God? or are you just one who has been so indoctrinated that he believes everything he is sees on the discovery channel?

 

[ebia]

Now i have been told that genesis is not a factual account of creation and shouldnt be taken seriously.

"The Beginning

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. 3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.
11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.
14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day."

Here we see that god creates water before he creates the stars. But what is water? Hydrogen and oxygen. And where is oxygen made? In stars. This innacuracy of the story. Would this be a reason to take genesis less seriously and that is is not factual. But if one thing is wrong does that mean that the whole book is incorrect? Does this mean that cain and abel never happened or Abraham and should be taken symbolically? And if this does discredit the creation story then how can we trust the story's that follow? Did adam and eve really happen and if not then did man not fall. And then jesus was pointless.

I have been told that the main point is that god created the world, it isnt meant to be taken as litereal the main point is god created the world. But to me it seems like this someone comes into a police station and tells them how he was murdered. They follow up their story and realise that their claims are false. Then how can they trust this witness as a credible source? they cannot?

For me when i read the story and see its blatent falseness. I do not then think, oh this cant be literal, this cant be what god sent down. And therefore choose is to be symbolic. but then read another part and thing yes this is the truth. But how is that other part not symbolic? If one part is symbolic doesnt all of it have to be? You cant just pick and choose to suit you because then it is false. For me when i read genesis i read that it is not true and accept it. I do not try to search for a reason behind it, whether that be a symbolic one because then arnt i just searching in myself to see what i want to see. Not what people have believed as the truth and actual account of creation.

Im also interested in a person who believes genesis is literal and their response to that water cant come before the stars.

Could you bear with me a moment and read 2 Samuel chapters 11 & 12?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Now i have been told that genesis is not a factual account of creation and shouldnt be taken seriously.

It's to be taken seriously, just not as a journalistic account of the mechanisms and processes by which the universe came into existence.

I take the parables of Jesus seriously, though I understand that they are parables, not journalistic reports of happenstance information which Jesus thought was worth mentioning just so matter-of-factly.

"The Beginning

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. 3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.
11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.
14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day."

Here we see that god creates water before he creates the stars. But what is water? Hydrogen and oxygen. And where is oxygen made? In stars. This innacuracy of the story. Would this be a reason to take genesis less seriously and that is is not factual. But if one thing is wrong does that mean that the whole book is incorrect? Does this mean that cain and abel never happened or Abraham and should be taken symbolically? And if this does discredit the creation story then how can we trust the story's that follow? Did adam and eve really happen and if not then did man not fall. And then jesus was pointless.

It's about taking the Bible seriously enough to understand the language it employs and how it employs it. Genesis 1 is a theological narrative employing mytho-poetic language; the intent is to demonstrate God's total sovereignty over creation, to show the orderliness of creation that comes from God's creative act, to present a temple narrative, and to remove the divine qualities of nature which surrounding cultures believed in.

In the Enuma Elish, the Mesopotamian creation myth, Tiamut the primordial sea gives birth to the gods, who then violently kill and fight one another and through this chaotic process the world unfolds.

In contradistinction to this Genesis 1 presents to us also a primordial sea (Genesis 1:2) but it is not personified or deified, it is simply a vast deep where God is already at once present, active, and supreme, His Spirit/Breath flowing across the waters. Additionally, the foundations of the world are established not through chaotic and violent means, but through the orderliness of the Creator who orders and organizes the world and fills the world with abundance and declaring it good, even exceedingly good.

I have been told that the main point is that god created the world, it isnt meant to be taken as litereal the main point is god created the world. But to me it seems like this someone comes into a police station and tells them how he was murdered. They follow up their story and realise that their claims are false. Then how can they trust this witness as a credible source? they cannot?

That's the wrong analogy. A proper analogy might be that of a painter painting. Has the painter given us a falsehood, or lied to us when she paints a beautiful canvas of color and meaning?

For me when i read the story and see its blatent falseness. I do not then think, oh this cant be literal, this cant be what god sent down. And therefore choose is to be symbolic. but then read another part and thing yes this is the truth. But how is that other part not symbolic? If one part is symbolic doesnt all of it have to be? You cant just pick and choose to suit you because then it is false. For me when i read genesis i read that it is not true and accept it. I do not try to search for a reason behind it, whether that be a symbolic one because then arnt i just searching in myself to see what i want to see. Not what people have believed as the truth and actual account of creation.

The Bible is a library of books. When we enter into a library we understand that there are many different kinds of books available to be read. There are biographies, books of fiction, books of poetry and philosophy. There are history books and diaries. There are all sorts of different sorts of books and even within these books we may find variance and all the nuances, subtleties and intricacies of language. A biography may include poetry or bits of beautiful prose, a book of fiction may contain historical and/or scientific elements. The job of the discerning reader is to understand this and read things accordingly by applying appropriate hermeneutical skills to exegete and rightly understand what they are reading, how it is to be read, and draw from it what is being said.

The Bible is a voluminous collection of robust and complex literature spanning different cultures, languages, societies and time periods. Inspiration does not mean "contains purely journalistic just-the-facts information", but means God has breathed into these works and through them speaks to us in what they are saying. A mythological narrative is just as capable of being divinely inspired as an historical narrative. God can say what He wants to say to us employing all the nuances and complexities of human language.

Im also interested in a person who believes genesis is literal and their response to that water cant come before the stars.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Believer69]

I'd like to look at the other side of your argument, in that How much faith does it take to believe that stars create oxygen. After all how many stars have we visited? took oxygen samples from? How many stars can we even see well enough to monitor the level of oxygen production?

If the answer to all of these things are 0 then why do you assume that star in fact do indeed produce oxygen? Because someone "smarter" than you told you it was so? Do you have this type of bind faith in everything except matters of God? or are you just one who has been so indoctrinated that he believes everything he is sees on the discovery channel?

I could again ask you. Where is there evidence for god. Zero. That doesnt mean he isnt in existance. If your going to argue that we havnt been there. Have you been to mars? No but you know alot about it. Have you been to kenya. No but you know alot about it. It is a fact that oxygen is made from stars. As well as all the other basic elements. So does your argument says that everything is science is wrong? That gravity doesnt exist? The world is flat? Are you telling me you didnt listen to what your teachers told you? That you followed blindly what you were taught in maths and science? And because you did therefore they are not true and not based on facts? Incorrect. It is fact that oxygen is produced in stars. Am i so indocrinated that i listen to my the education that i have recieved at school? Things just arnt assumed. People just dont go ahh makes sense yeah lets teach students this. I believe you are more blind to think that if you dont understand therefore it isnt true. Explain to me the einsteins theory of general relativity. Explain to me how hydrogen is formed into helium (in stars). I bet you cant without google. Doesnt mean that they are true.

BBC iPlayer - Wonders of the Universe: Stardust

Brian cox Wonders of the universe Stardust explains all.
Dont you know we are all created from stars who sacrificed their lifes for ours?

 

[Believer69]

Thanks ViaCrucis. Interesting

 

[Believer69]

After ViaCrucis explained stuff. Im gonna go to another point. So stars create the oxygen. god creates water before the stars. So the creation story is wrong.

 

[AlexBP]

Here we see that god creates water before he creates the stars. But what is water? Hydrogen and oxygen. And where is oxygen made? In stars. This innacuracy of the story.

There is no inaccuracy. In ancient Hebrew there are not distinct words for "waters" and "fluids", so the first view verses can be as validly interpreted as talking about fluids rather than literal water. Once it is read in that manner, it's obvious that it matches closely what scientists currently believer about early epochs of the universe. Shortly after the Big Bang, there was no solid matter, only fluids filling all space evenly. Then after a period of millions of years, the fluids began coalescing into separate galaxies, stars, and planets.

Further, it's not the case that all stars were created before water. Star creation is an ongoing process, so many stars were created after the water on earth came into existence. Most of the stars that are visible from earth are bright, short-lived stars, so many of them probably came into existence after the earth and its water.

Further, according to the Theory of Relativity, one can't always say which of two events occurred first; it depends upon your frame of reference.

 

[Believer69]

There is no inaccuracy. In ancient Hebrew there are not distinct words for "waters" and "fluids", so the first view verses can be as validly interpreted as talking about fluids rather than literal water. Once it is read in that manner, it's obvious that it matches closely what scientists currently believer about early epochs of the universe. Shortly after the Big Bang, there was no solid matter, only fluids filling all space evenly. Then after a period of millions of years, the fluids began coalescing into separate galaxies, stars, and planets.

Further, it's not the case that all stars were created before water. Star creation is an ongoing process, so many stars were created after the water on earth came into existence. Most of the stars that are visible from earth are bright, short-lived stars, so many of them probably came into existence after the earth and its water.

Further, according to the Theory of Relativity, one can't always say which of two events occurred first; it depends upon your frame of reference.

Awesome response. Thankyou. You have answered the question in my language. By saying it only says fluids it makes it all possible.

 

[drich0150]

I could again ask you. Where is there evidence for god. Zero.

God gives Evidence to all of those who ask Seek and Knock as outlined in Luke 11. My evidence was given to me, as a Result I believe without doubt and without question of my own.

That doesn't mean he isn't in existence. If your going to argue that we haven't been there.

No this is not my argument at all this is an over simplified version of the observation I made.

Have you been to mars?

Man has sent probes to Mars. I have seen the surface of mars because of those efforts.

No but you know alot about it. Have you been to Kenya. No but you know alot about it.

Because other men have been there and in fact live there so if there is a question about any part of Kenya we can research it either through documents or boots on the ground.

It is a fact that oxygen is made from stars.

Here is where you seemed confused. Fact is not always akin to truth. A fact is a statement that can either be proven True or False. So to say clouds are made of whipped cream, is a fact. We can check to see if they indeed are or are not made of whipped cream. This however does not make it true.

That said stars make oxygen is indeed a fact, but that does not mean it is true. What makes it true? Evidence will prove one way or another if indeed stars make oxygen. The next question should be; do we have evidence? Answer: no, none what so ever.

So that lack of evidence relegates this fact to the realm of theory because there isn't conclusive evidence to prove one way or another if this fact is true.
That said if one believes in theories as if the were truth, even without conclusive evidence then that person has to use Faith.

Next question: What differentiates your faith from mine? Simple preference. Last question: is your preference the whole of your judgment day strategy, or will their be begging as well?

As well as all the other basic elements. So does your argument says that everything is science is wrong? That gravity doesn't exist? The world is flat? Are you telling me you didnt listen to what your teachers told you? That you followed blindly what you were taught in maths and science? And because you did therefore they are not true and not based on facts? Incorrect. It is fact that oxygen is produced in stars. Am i so indoctrinated that i listen to my the education that i have received at school? Things just arnt assumed. People just dont go ahh makes sense yeah lets teach students this. I believe you are more blind to think that if you dont understand therefore it isn't true. Explain to me the einsteins theory of general relativity. Explain to me how hydrogen is formed into helium (in stars). I bet you cant without google. Doesnt mean that they are true.

Believe it or not the Lord has seen fit to entrust me with a company based on sound scientific principles. To which I am very grateful to the law and reliability of the truth that can be found in science. The junk you have referenced as "scientific fact" is what the tabloids are to journalism. Speculation, guessing and lots of unsubstantiated theory based on the idea if we put enough stuff out there we might get lucky and break a true story. Then some junk journalist/scientist gets to make a name for himself. That is until one of his contemporaries upstages him with something better. I heard a term that describes them well. "The Prophets of Science Fiction." I think it was originally used to describes people like Lucas or Asimov, but it fits these guys really well too.

 

[Ernst Junger]

Genesis is a pretty awesome book in general. My two favorite chapters: Rachel and Leah using slaves in baby-making one up manship:

1 When Rachel saw that she was not bearing Jacob any children, she became jealous of her sister. So she said to Jacob, “Give me children, or I’ll die!”
2 Jacob became angry with her and said, “Am I in the place of God, who has kept you from having children?”
3 Then she said, “Here is Bilhah, my servant. Sleep with her so that she can bear children for me and I too can build a family through her.”
4 So she gave him her servant Bilhah as a wife. Jacob slept with her, 5 and she became pregnant and bore him a son. 6 Then Rachel said, “God has vindicated me; he has listened to my plea and given me a son.” Because of this she named him Dan.
7 Rachel’s servant Bilhah conceived again and bore Jacob a second son. 8 Then Rachel said, “I have had a great struggle with my sister, and I have won.” So she named him Naphtali.
9 When Leah saw that she had stopped having children, she took her servant Zilpah and gave her to Jacob as a wife. 10 Leah’s servant Zilpah bore Jacob a son. 11 Then Leah said, “What good fortune!”So she named him Gad.
12 Leah’s servant Zilpah bore Jacob a second son. 13 Then Leah said, “How happy I am! The women will call me happy.” So she named him Asher.
14 During wheat harvest, Reuben went out into the fields and found some mandrake plants, which he brought to his mother Leah. Rachel said to Leah, “Please give me some of your son’s mandrakes.”
15 But she said to her, “Wasn’t it enough that you took away my husband? Will you take my son’s mandrakes too?”
“Very well,” Rachel said, “he can sleep with you tonight in return for your son’s mandrakes.”
16 So when Jacob came in from the fields that evening, Leah went out to meet him. “You must sleep with me,” she said. “I have hired you with my son’s mandrakes.” So he slept with her that night.
17 God listened to Leah, and she became pregnant and bore Jacob a fifth son. 18 Then Leah said, “God has rewarded me for giving my servant to my husband.” So she named him Issachar.
19 Leah conceived again and bore Jacob a sixth son. 20 Then Leah said, “God has presented me with a precious gift. This time my husband will treat me with honor, because I have borne him six sons.” So she named him Zebulun.
21 Some time later she gave birth to a daughter and named her Dinah. 22 Then God remembered Rachel; he listened to her and enabled her to conceive. 23 She became pregnant and gave birth to a son and said, “God has taken away my disgrace.” 24 She named him Joseph, and said, “May the LORD add to me another son.”

and the Rape of Dinah, just for the most excellent finishing line in all of genesis:

1 Now Dinah, the daughter Leah had borne to Jacob, went out to visit the women of the land. 2 When Shechem son of Hamor the Hivite, the ruler of that area, saw her, he took her and raped her. 3 His heart was drawn to Dinah daughter of Jacob; he loved the young woman and spoke tenderly to her. 4 And Shechem said to his father Hamor, “Get me this girl as my wife.”


5 When Jacob heard that his daughter Dinah had been defiled, his sons were in the fields with his livestock; so he did nothing about it until they came home.

6 Then Shechem’s father Hamor went out to talk with Jacob. 7 Meanwhile, Jacob’s sons had come in from the fields as soon as they heard what had happened. They were shocked and furious, because Shechem had done an outrageous thing in[a] Israel by sleeping with Jacob’s daughter—a thing that should not be done.

8 But Hamor said to them, “My son Shechem has his heart set on your daughter. Please give her to him as his wife. 9 Intermarry with us; give us your daughters and take our daughters for yourselves. 10 You can settle among us; the land is open to you. Live in it, trade[b] in it, and acquire property in it.”

11 Then Shechem said to Dinah’s father and brothers, “Let me find favor in your eyes, and I will give you whatever you ask. 12 Make the price for the bride and the gift I am to bring as great as you like, and I’ll pay whatever you ask me. Only give me the young woman as my wife.”

13 Because their sister Dinah had been defiled, Jacob’s sons replied deceitfully as they spoke to Shechem and his father Hamor. 14 They said to them, “We can’t do such a thing; we can’t give our sister to a man who is not circumcised. That would be a disgrace to us. 15 We will enter into an agreement with you on one condition only: that you become like us by circumcising all your males. 16 Then we will give you our daughters and take your daughters for ourselves. We’ll settle among you and become one people with you. 17 But if you will not agree to be circumcised, we’ll take our sister and go.”


18 Their proposal seemed good to Hamor and his son Shechem. 19 The young man, who was the most honored of all his father’s family, lost no time in doing what they said, because he was delighted with Jacob’s daughter. 20 So Hamor and his son Shechem went to the gate of their city to speak to the men of their city. 21 “These men are friendly toward us,” they said. “Let them live in our land and trade in it; the land has plenty of room for them. We can marry their daughters and they can marry ours. 22 But the men will agree to live with us as one people only on the condition that our males be circumcised, as they themselves are. 23 Won’t their livestock, their property and all their other animals become ours? So let us agree to their terms, and they will settle among us.”

24 All the men who went out of the city gate agreed with Hamor and his son Shechem, and every male in the city was circumcised.

25 Three days later, while all of them were still in pain, two of Jacob’s sons, Simeon and Levi, Dinah’s brothers, took their swords and attacked the unsuspecting city, killing every male. 26 They put Hamor and his son Shechem to the sword and took Dinah from Shechem’s house and left. 27 The sons of Jacob came upon the dead bodies and looted the city where[c] their sister had been defiled. 28 They seized their flocks and herds and donkeys and everything else of theirs in the city and out in the fields. 29 They carried off all their wealth and all their women and children, taking as plunder everything in the houses.
30 Then Jacob said to Simeon and Levi, “You have brought trouble on me by making me obnoxious to the Canaanites and Perizzites, the people living in this land. We are few in number, and if they join forces against me and attack me, I and my household will be destroyed.”

31 But they replied, “Should he have treated our sister like a prostitute?”

Status: told

 

[juvenissun]

I could again ask you. Where is there evidence for god. Zero. That doesnt mean he isnt in existance.

This problem is NOT address in the Genesis 1. I thought you are interested in Genesis 1. If so, then this comment is out of line. According to this comment, you should NOT be interested in Genesis 1.