Genesis Question

[dignitized]

6th day man.

 

[GenemZ]

Even IF that were the case, Noah and his family were Adam's decendants, not the 6th day man.

Where did Cain'w wife come from???

There were females born to Adam and Eve. They were not important and were pushed in the background. For, Adam and Eve were both waiting for the promised male (Messiah) to be born to liberate them.

Genesis 3:15 nasb
"And I will put enmityBetween you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head,And you shall bruise him on the heel."

Females were being born in the mean time. Eve prayed to the Lord for another male. Here is a passage that reveals this was the case.

Genesis 4:1 nasb
"Now the man had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain, and she said, "I have gotten a manchild with the help of the LORD."

Why did she need the Lord's help in bringing forth a manchild? Not simply a child? Apparently she was giving birth to only females for a while. She prayed to the Lord for help in having another male. One of those females grew up to be the wife of Cain.

Grace and peace, GeneZ

 

[dignitized]

Quite possible - but Scripture condemns Incest What is wrong - was wrong - will be wrong. God does not change.

 

[GenemZ]

Quite possible - but Scripture condemns Incest What is wrong - was wrong - will be wrong. God does not change.

Lot had incest with his two daughters (Genesis 19:30-37). God did not condemn their actions. Why? The Law was not yet given by Moses! Abraham committed adultery (by our standards) by having Ishmael through his slave girl. But? At that time God did not condemn him. It was not yet the right time to introduce the Law to the world.

Incest was not made illegal until the law of Moses. Before then, there was no command against it. Nor was there a command not to eat pork, etc.

99.99% of the Law was not given until Moses and the Exodus. Only not eating of blood was given earlier than the Law, and the circumcision of the males from the line of Abraham, Issaac, and Jacob. No others.


In the beginning the genetic code of man was not far down the line of degeneration. Men were still living to be over eight hundred years old. The genetic code was yet very healthy. Later on, as the fall of man progressed, that is when incest was banned by God. Cain got his wife from one of his sisters. After all... Adam's wife was as close a kin as one can get! Right???

Grace and truth, GeneZ

 

[Zadok7000]

. One of those females grew up to be the wife of Cain.

Grace and peace, GeneZ

That is absolutely false.
a. FATHER would NEVER exile a totally innocent girl; and if HE didn't,
b. how did she get to the land of Nod (NOT Eden) BEFORE Cain?

Cain's wife was one of the 6th day man. Those who lived in places OTHER than Eden. That is the ONLY Biblical answer.

Don't let man's traditions make the Word of God of none effect.

 

[Zadok7000]

Lot had incest with his two daughters (Genesis 19:30-37). God did not condemn their actions. Why? The Law was not yet given by Moses!

Grace and truth, GeneZ

Lot's daughters got him drunk in order for that to happen. Lot would not have done it otherwise. "he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose."

 

[Zadok7000]

There were females born to Adam and Eve. They were not important and were pushed in the background. For, Adam and Eve were both waiting for the promised male (Messiah) to be born to liberate them.

Genesis 3:15 nasb
"And I will put enmityBetween you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head,And you shall bruise him on the heel."

Females were being born in the mean time. Eve prayed to the Lord for another male. Here is a passage that reveals this was the case.

Genesis 4:1 nasb
"Now the man had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain, and she said, "I have gotten a manchild with the help of the LORD."

Why did she need the Lord's help in bringing forth a manchild? Not simply a child? Apparently she was giving birth to only females for a while. She prayed to the Lord for help in having another male. One of those females grew up to be the wife of Cain.

Grace and peace, GeneZ

GeneZ,

This is also false becase Cain and Abel were twins. Study the hebrew word "yasaph":

Gen 4:1-2 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

Eve "continued in labor" and had Abel immediately after Cain. This is also witnssed to in the fact that the 2 brothers came of age at the same time. Study "and in the process of time" in the Hebrew of verse 3. There was no praying "for help in having another male".

 

[GenemZ]

GeneZ,

This is also false becase Cain and Abel were twins. Study the hebrew word "yasaph":

Gen 4:1-2 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

Eve "continued in labor" and had Abel immediately after Cain. This is also witnssed to in the fact that the 2 brothers came of age at the same time. Study "and in the process of time" in the Hebrew of verse 3. There was no praying "for help in having another male".

Thanks! I never had that explained to me before. I never realized that they could have been twins. Not all scholars agree, of course. I did a quick check on what some think on that issue. But, that still has no basis in changing what I said as being true. I will consider it from your perspective as I write.

Genesis 4 niv

Cain and Abel

1 Adam lay with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, "With the help of the LORD I have brought forth a man." 2 Later she gave birth to his brother Abel."

It does not matter if they were twins , or not. That's not an issue with what I said. What has that got to do with what I said? They did not come out simultaneously! There was a break. She only saw Cain when she spoke what is quoted about a man/child.

Cain was born at a separate time. He was first.

It says Eve stated that she needed the Lord's help to bring forth a man child, not simply a child. I believe its the reason I gave. For, up until then they were having only females. Not a male as God's promised their deliverer to be.

As for being twins? It has nothing to do with what reason I gave. For Eve was only concentrating upon Cain when she make her remark to Adam. He was the first male child she gave birth to. That's the point.

Interesting. Have you ever noticed that in chapter 4 it only mentions births of males? Evidently, females were being born, too. For wives were being found everywhere in that chapter.


Grace and peace, GeneZ

 

[GenemZ]

Lot's daughters got him drunk in order for that to happen. Lot would not have done it otherwise. "he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose."

So? God condemned no one for what they had done. No law was given against this.
Grace and peace, GeneZ

 

[GenemZ]

That is absolutely false.
a. FATHER would NEVER exile a totally innocent girl; and if HE didn't,
b. how did she get to the land of Nod (NOT Eden) BEFORE Cain?

Cain's wife was one of the 6th day man. Those who lived in places OTHER than Eden. That is the ONLY Biblical answer.

Don't let man's traditions make the Word of God of none effect.

Why do we not have any account of these so called six day men? They not important? Were only they created in the image of God? And, why in the genealogy of Christ? Does it only go back to Adam? Why are the six day men not mentioned? If they are not? Jesus can not pay for their sins. For he only died for those in his line. And, Genesis 1:27 says that this creation was "bara" (created out from nothing) into what was in God's image. God's Image? And, they are never mentioned again??? Makes no sense!

I am not going by the traditions of men. I gave the Hebrew to show you that Genesis 1:27 was an entirely different act of creation by God, than what we find in Genesis 2. God did not create in Genesis 2.

Did you bother to read what I wrote? I think not. For you fail to address what the Word of God says, and prefer only to push some invention created by men in attempts to resolve the conflict that some have between the two chapters because they are only working with translations.

In Christ, GeneZ

 

[Zadok7000]

You have got some real confusion going on here, Gene.

Why do we not have any account of these so called six day men? They not important? Were only they created in the image of God? And, why in the genealogy of Christ? Does it only go back to Adam? Why are the six day men not mentioned? If they are not? Jesus can not pay for their sins. For he only died for those in his line. And, Genesis 1:27 says that this creation was "bara" (created out from nothing) into what was in God's image. God's Image? And, they are never mentioned again??? Makes no sense!

The Old Testament deals with the bloodline through with MESSIAH would come; Adam and his offspring. If you would read the account of the creation of the 6th day man, HE says IT WAS VERY GOOD. The 6th day man had nothing to do with the creation of the 8th day man - they were seperate creations; given different tasks, placed in different places. This does NOT mean Adam's family are "better" than the 6th day men, ALL are equal to HIM. YESHUA died for ALL peoples of all time. Whoever calls upon HIS name is saved. Just because other peoples were not part of HIS genealogy does not mean they cannot be saved!! That is just silly. Only a confused person would think that possible. What doesn't make sense is believing the LORD repeating HIMself mere sentences apart. All flesh was created in HIS image - and by the way, the 6th day man are mentioned constantly throughout the Bible. The Gentiles.

I am not going by the traditions of men. I gave the Hebrew to show you that Genesis 1:27 was an entirely different act of creation by God, than what we find in Genesis 2. God did not create in Genesis 2.

Gen 2:7-22 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads. The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold; And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone. And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia. And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates. And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him. And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

You're right, HE didn't create anything in that chapter. Sheesh.

Did you bother to read what I wrote? I think not. For you fail to address what the Word of God says, and prefer only to push some invention created by men in attempts to resolve the conflict that some have between the two chapters because they are only working with translations.
In Christ, GeneZ

Out of your position or mine, which is the "accepted" one? Which do ALL of the major denominations subscribe to? You may want to reconsider who is listening to man and who is sticking to the WORD...

 

[Zadok7000]

So? God condemned no one for what they had done. No law was given against this.
Grace and peace, GeneZ

So the LORD exiled a totally INNOCENT girl along with Cain into the land of Nod? YHVH would never do such a thing. And if there is no 6th day man as you mistakenly believe, how did she get there???

Seriously Gene, commit some serious prayer to this and be willing to give up all of man's traditions regarding the book of Genesis. If you don't understand the beginning, you'll never understand the end.

 

[GenemZ]

Seriously Gene, commit some serious prayer to this and be willing to give up all of man's traditions regarding the book of Genesis. If you don't understand the beginning, you'll never understand the end.

That means you won't understand the end...... You said so yourself.

How come we have animals of the field being manifested in Genesis 2? Are there one set of animals for the sixth day man? And, one set of animals for Adam? Both chapters speak of different aspects of the same creation!

18 The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him." (Genesis 2)

It was not good that he was all alone? If there were six day men, Adam was not alone.

Man had not yet fallen. So, why should Adam's fall effect all other men who were not allowed to make a choice while yet alive just before him? God should have commanded that both groups be separated. For only Adam and Eve fell, not the six day men. No such command was given.

Why didn't the Lord simply give Adam one of the six day women? If there were six day men? Why was Adam all alone?

If you say it was forbidden for Adam to have a six day woman? Why was all his offspring taking them for wives, if what you claim is true?

Bunch of questions you can not answer......


Grace and peace, GeneZ

 

[Zadok7000]

That means you won't understand the end...... You said so yourself.

How come we have animals of the field being manifested in Genesis 2? Are there one set of animals for the sixth day man? And, one set of animals for Adam? Both chapters speak of different aspects of the same creation!

18 The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him." (Genesis 2)

It was not good that he was all alone? If there were six day men, Adam was not alone.

He was alone IN EDEN. That is the point you are ignoring. In chapter 1, HE created male AND female together on the 6th day and told them to subde the whole earth; HE gave them dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. In chapter 2, AFTER THE 7TH DAY, HE created Adam ("eth ha adam", a different Hebrew word than the man on the 6th day) specifically to "till the ground"; specifically to "dress and keep Eden"; and breathed the "breath of life" (HOLY SPIRIT) into him and then created Eve. The 6th day men were not in the same geographic area as Adam and Eve! Why is that so difficult to understand?

Man had not yet fallen. So, why should Adam's fall effect all other men who were not allowed to make a choice while yet alive just before him? God should have commanded that both groups be separated. For only Adam and Eve fell, not the six day men. No such command was given.

??? Again, Adam and his family were the ones whom the LORD was speaking with; the only one through which MESSIAH would be born. The 6th day man (without the HOLY SPIRIT, without the Tree of Life in their midst) was not held to the standard that Adam's family was.

Why didn't the Lord simply give Adam one of the six day women? If there were six day men? Why was Adam all alone?

There weren't in the same geographic location. And there were given different tasks, as I have said multiple times.

If you say it was forbidden for Adam to have a six day woman? Why was all his offspring taking them for wives, if what you claim is true?

Now you are putting words in my mouth. Be careful here, Gene.
I said specifically that Cain's wife was a 6th day woman because:
A. GOD would never punish an innocent girl and cast her out of HIS presence, especially if she had such a crucial role to play as a daughter of Adam, and
B. Cain "knew his wife" in Nod, not in Eden

I never said anything about Seth's wife not being his sister. By the way, the Bible DOES mentions Adam and Eve's daughters, starting in Gen. 5:4. There is NO evidence there were any daughters born to them before this time.

How's that for "not having answers"???

 

[GenemZ]

He was alone IN EDEN. That is the point you are ignoring. In chapter 1, HE created male AND female together on the 6th day and told them to subde the whole earth; HE gave them dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. In chapter 2, AFTER THE 7TH DAY, HE created Adam ("eth ha adam", a different Hebrew word than the man on the 6th day) specifically to "till the ground"; specifically to "dress and keep Eden"; and breathed the "breath of life" (HOLY SPIRIT) into him and then created Eve. The 6th day men were not in the same geographic area as Adam and Eve! Why is that so difficult to understand?

Note: " HE gave them dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

That meant they were to have dominion over Adam and Eve, and all of their kin! And, why did God create for Adam a female? Yet, he had all their male offspring seek wives with the six day women?

Someone is not making any sense! For if they were at a different location? They were sure easy to find as wives in Genesis 4! Which, means they had to be very close! Yet, God created a woman for Adam because he was alone!? He was alone? All Adam's and Eve's children were having no problem finding wives very easily!

??? Again, Adam and his family were the ones whom the LORD was speaking with; the only one through which MESSIAH would be born. The 6th day man (without the HOLY SPIRIT, without the Tree of Life in their midst) was not held to the standard that Adam's family was.

You get that in the Hebrew? Chapter and verse, please?

There weren't in the same geographic location. And there were given different tasks, as I have said multiple times.

The six day men were supposed to be hunters. Yet, in Genesis 1, God said he gave only plants for the food.

Now you are putting words in my mouth. Be careful here, Gene.
I said specifically that Cain's wife was a 6th day woman because:
A. GOD would never punish an innocent girl and cast her out of HIS presence, especially if she had such a crucial role to play as a daughter of Adam, and
B. Cain "knew his wife" in Nod, not in Eden

That's like saying he knew his wife in Brooklyn, not the Bronx. Right next door. Just down the street. And, why were six day women not innocent? Was she evil? Why were six day people bad??? It was Adam that fell.

I never said anything about Seth's wife not being his sister. By the way, the Bible DOES mentions Adam and Eve's daughters, starting in Gen. 5:4. There is NO evidence there were any daughters born to them before this time.

That's why Eve needed the Lord's help in having a male child????????? Not simply a child???????

How's that for "not having answers"???

Answers?

Grace and more grace....... GeneZ

 

[GenemZ]

He was alone IN EDEN. That is the point you are ignoring. In chapter 1, HE created male AND female together on the 6th day and told them to subde the whole earth; HE gave them dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. In chapter 2, AFTER THE 7TH DAY, HE created Adam ("eth ha adam", a different Hebrew word than the man on the 6th day) specifically to "till the ground"; specifically to "dress and keep Eden"; and breathed the "breath of life" (HOLY SPIRIT) into him and then created Eve. The 6th day men were not in the same geographic area as Adam and Eve! Why is that so difficult to understand?



??? Again, Adam and his family were the ones whom the LORD was speaking with; the only one through which MESSIAH would be born. The 6th day man (without the HOLY SPIRIT, without the Tree of Life in their midst) was not held to the standard that Adam's family was.



There weren't in the same geographic location. And there were given different tasks, as I have said multiple times.



Now you are putting words in my mouth. Be careful here, Gene.
I said specifically that Cain's wife was a 6th day woman because:
A. GOD would never punish an innocent girl and cast her out of HIS presence, especially if she had such a crucial role to play as a daughter of Adam, and
B. Cain "knew his wife" in Nod, not in Eden

I never said anything about Seth's wife not being his sister. By the way, the Bible DOES mentions Adam and Eve's daughters, starting in Gen. 5:4. There is NO evidence there were any daughters born to them before this time.

How's that for "not having answers"???

To add a bit to what I already showed you......

Romans 5:12 niv
"Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned."

1 Corinthians 15:45 niv
"So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being" ; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit."

The last Adam was Christ come in the flesh!

1 Corinthians 15:47 niv
"The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven (Christ)."

So, why would God allow Cain to take a wife from the six day women, if she was not a sinner, and he was? After all, sin entered the world through Adam! Just the opposite of what you are claiming!

The six day men would have come before Adam, and having their own volitions, would not be effected by the fact that Adam sinned later on!

And? Most important of all?

It says the first man was Adam! The first man was from the dust of the earth! (Genesis 2:7)

If Adam was the first man? Then your six day man was not a man! Yet, in Genesis 1:27, God says he created man in his image.

It was the soul created in Genesis 1:27.

Bara! Created out from nothing!

In Genesis 2:7.

God then forms and molds "Yatsar" a body for the soul, and then breathes into its nostrils the soul he already created, to give it life!

Grace and peace, GeneZ

 

[Zadok7000]

Note: " HE gave them dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

That meant they were to have dominion over Adam and Eve, and all of their kin! And, why did God create for Adam a female? Yet, he had all their male offspring seek wives with the six day women?

Someone is not making any sense! For if they were at a different location? They were sure easy to find as wives in Genesis 4! Which, means they had to be very close! Yet, God created a woman for Adam because he was alone!? He was alone? All Adam's and Eve's children were having no problem finding wives very easily!

Seriously Gene, are you reading my posts or do you just enjoy having knee-jerk reactions to them? You said "he had all their male offspring seek wives from the six day women". I NEVER said anyone but CAIN took a 6th day woman as his wife. Please re-read my previous posts, I really dislike repeating myself over and over. LAST TIME:

As you know, the 6th day man was created BEFORE Adam - 2 days before. (Whether that is 2 days or 2,000 years I leave alone) How could they have been given dominion over people who had not yet been created??? And you should know that "living things" in 1:28 are referring to the animals mentioned in verse 26; hence, they were hunters.

There is NOTHING saying Cain even MET his wife UNTIL he got to Nod. And referencing chapter 4 (with a mocking laugh - very un-Christian) means what exactly? All it says is Cain knew his wife in Nod and that Seth was born and Enos was born - we know that they had daughters at this time (see 5:4) - IE no daughters were born before Seth. In other words, Cain's wife COULD NOT have been Adam and Eve's offspring.

The 6th day man (gentiles) were created and placed all over the earth. The 8th day man (eth ha Adam) was created in Eden only. Let the starter of this thread decide who is Biblically accurate.

 

[Zadok7000]

You get that in the Hebrew? Chapter and verse, please?

You mean besides the Breath of Life and the Tree of Life not being anywhere except in Eden??? Try the book of Isaiah, Romans chapter 2, and Ephesians chapter 2 for starters. Until JESUS CHRIST, the gentiles (ethnos in the Greek; the ethnic peoples of the various parts of the world) had "no hope". HE is their hope. Only after MESSIAH fulfilled the law and rent the barrier between HIMSELF and all men could they have hope. GOD is not a respector of persons, but HE chooses certain people to fulfil HIS will. IE Adam and his family.

The six day men were supposed to be hunters. Yet, in Genesis 1, God said he gave only plants for the food.

Sorry, that's wrong. HE never intended for flesh men to be vegetarians.

That's like saying he knew his wife in Brooklyn, not the Bronx. Right next door. Just down the street. And, why were six day women not innocent? Was she evil? Why were six day people bad??? It was Adam that fell.

You are TWISTING my words, Gene! At the risk of repeating myself AGAIN, FATHER would NEVER punish an innocent daughter of Adam out of HIS presence. You think HE did. That is your mistake. The fact that Cain took a 6th day woman as a wife has nothing to do with her doing anything wrong. She was in her homeland of Nod (EAST OF EDEN) when Cain arrived. And it is YOUR WORDS that are saying the 6th day man were "Bad". As I PLAINLY said, the LORD said of the 6th day creation, IT WAS VERY GOOD. Adam's, Eve's, and Cain's sins were not held against anyone but them. You think Nod and Eden were as close as Brooklyn and the Bronx, I congratulate you on knowing that because it is not Written.

 

[Zadok7000]

That's why Eve needed the Lord's help in having a male child????????? Not simply a child???????

Answers?

Grace and more grace....... GeneZ

Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

Is "gotten a man" what you are hung up on?!? The Hebrew word "ish" has NO sex connotation. It could mean a boy or a girl. Your NIV is messing with your head again. I suggest you ditch it ASAP and get into the original languages.

 

[GenemZ]

Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

Is "gotten a man" what you are hung up on?!? The Hebrew word "ish" has NO sex connotation. It could mean a boy or a girl. Your NIV is messing with your head again. I suggest you ditch it ASAP and get into the original languages.

Really? My pastor taught from the Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic texts. I just grabbed the NIV because most people know it, and it so happens to be accurate. You do not know the Hebrew in this case. Ish can be used in the plural to refer to both men and women. But, in the singular? Not so.

Ish, means "man." Ishah, is woman. Adam called her "Ishah."

Gen 2:23

The man (ish) said,
"This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called 'woman, (ishah)'
for she was taken out of man (ish)."



Wish it were nice meeting you. But... I see its only futile to continue. You have been taught things that do not line up with solid exegesis, but you believe it anyway. I say... No way! Bye!


Have a nice Day, GeneZ