Genesis Genetics, revisited

[Chinchilla]

. There are 6 blood types A1, A2, (A1-A2), B, AB, O. A1, A2, and A1-A2 are all type A blood . B is a slightly different version of A . Type O is due to missing a enzyme that puts a sugar/ protein chemical on the outside of the blood cell. That sugar/protein chemical causes the A or B blood type The O is actually a zero since the sugar/ chemical isn’t able to attach to the blood cell. AB is due to one parent having type A ( any one) and another parent having type B . Since you get one allele from each parent the actual genotypes are
for type A:
A1-A1, A1-O, A1-A2, A2-O, A2-A2
For type B:
B-B , B-O
For type O:
O-O
For type AB:
A1-B, A2-B,

What was blood type of Adam and Eve then ?
Adam A eve B ?

 

[Brightmoon]

A1, A2 and B are all different versions of one another . O is a lack of any of these on the blood cells. I don’t know which A or B allele was the original as far as pretending that Adam and Eve were real people . It was definitely not type O

 

[Brightmoon]

What was blood type of Adam and Eve then ?
Adam A eve B ?

Oops meant to put this in the previous post

 

[PsychoSarah]

What was blood type of Adam and Eve then ?
Adam A eve B ?

Doesn't matter which had A or B, but if you want all of the blood type combinations, this is an option:
Adam was Ai Rh +/-, and Eve was Bi Rh +/-. This would allow them to have a child of any of the common blood types, with the i representing the allele associated with type O blood. These would be expressed as A+ and B+ respectively. There are multiple blood types they could have had to make all the common ABO ones occur, this isn't the only one.

However, the ABO blood types aren't the only ones that exist. There are rare ones, such as Duffy and Bombay, and thus you could not get all modern blood types from a cross between just two individuals, no matter what their genome was like.

 

[Brightmoon]

Rh-/+ Are you saying that Adam or Eve were chimerical as far as that trait was concerned or are you saying that one was negative and the other positive

 

[Justatruthseeker]

So what is it... accurate or inaccurate? Make your mind up. If you don't think it shows the mysterious rise and decline you propose why post it? Why not post a graph and data that demonstrates what you're asserting?

(It's a rhetorical question, obviously no such data or graph will show such a thing).

All graphs and data show exactly what I say.

It's you that has to insert imaginary make-believe "common ancestors" in your attempt to link divergent species, not me..... It's not my fault you cant just accept the data as it is, but have to use imaginary things that don't exist to keep your belief.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

It is exceptionally dishonest for the creationist to re-introduce this already debunked quote yet again:

Does science actually admit "design"?

Evolution - Speciation finally observed in the wild?

And many others...

In your imagination maybe....

It is not our fault that you do not understand genetics, nor even what words like "variance" mean.


Mutations are not introduced from mating. You really should not be pontificating about this stuff - you are embarrassing yourself, and don't seem to know it.

Nor is it your fault I guess you didnt understand what was said.

I'll repeat it again since it went over your head. The Grants found that new additive genetic variance from mating was two to three times greater than that produced by mutations.....

Recombining alleles, you mean...

"Loci" is plural. A mutation may affect a single locus, but with all your (fake) genetics knowledge, surely you understand that single genes often affect multiple aspects of phenotype?

Then surely you would understand that several loci being affected at once would affect the phenotype even more than a single event????? Or are you too much of a fanatic to admit to reality?

That it is faster to alter phenotype by mixing up alleles?
How do you suppose those new alleles came to be if mutations are not the answer? Why, under your naive genetics, would members of a kind have multiple alleles for the same loci?

We agree that mutations damage the genome over time and render it non-coding....

In reality, this had to be explained to you over and over - but please bring it up again so I can save time writing new replies and just search the forum for the last times I or others shot down your simplistic claims.


Why are creationists like this?

Only in your own mind, when you believe your own hype instead of the facts....

 

[Jimmy D]

All graphs and data show exactly what I say.

although they left out the rise up to and then decline from the flood 4,000+ years ago.

LOL.

Apart from the one you posted, which you said left out the data you refer to.

I can only assume that you're POEing.

It's you that has to insert imaginary make-believe "common ancestors" in your attempt to link divergent species, not me.....

I think that you're mistaking me for someone else, where did I do that?

It's not my fault you cant just accept the data as it is, but have to use imaginary things that don't exist to keep your belief.

LOL. I don't believe that you really can't see the irony in that statement.

Isn't it you posting graphs with data contrary to this imaginary flood?

Show me any population data that shows that the human population was reduced to eight individuals "4000+ years ago".

 

[Justatruthseeker]

LOL.

Apart from the one you posted, which you said left out the data you refer to.

I can only assume that you're POEing.

Since data from that time is sketchy and just inserted to want they want it to be. I don't believe census polls existed then.....

I think that you're mistaking me for someone else, where did I do that?

I'm glad you agree that all "common ancestors" are simply made up then, since you don't believe in them....

LOL. I don't believe that you really can't see the irony in that statement.

Isn't it you posting graphs with data contrary to this imaginary flood?

Show me any population data that shows that the human population was reduced to eight individuals "4000+ years ago".

Show me a census from 4,000 years ago and not just made up graphs of what someone wanted it to be?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Let us start in the beginning with one male and one female. Now let us assume that they marry and have children and that their children marry and have children and so on. And let us assume that the population doubles every 150 years. Therefore, after 150 years there will be four people, after another 150 years there will be eight people, after another 150 years there will be sixteen people, and so on. It should be noted that this growth rate is actually very conservative. In reality, even with disease, famines, and natural disasters, the world population currently doubles every 40 years or so.

After 32 doublings, which is only 4,800 years, the world population would have reached almost 8.6 billion. That’s 2 billion more than the current population of 6.5 billion people, which was recorded by the U.S. Census Bureau on March 1, 2006. This simple calculation shows that starting with Adam and Eve and assuming the conservative growth rate previously mentioned, the current population can be reached well within 6,000 years.

We know from the Bible, however, that around 2500 BC (4,500 years ago) the worldwide Flood reduced the world population to eight people. But if we assume that the population doubles every 150 years, we see, again, that starting with only Noah and his family in 2500 BC, 4,500 years is more than enough time for the present population to reach 6.5 billion.

Evolutionists are always telling us that humans have been around for hundreds of thousands of years. If we did assume that humans have been around for 50,000 years and if we were to use the calculations above, there would have been 332 doublings, and the world’s population would be a staggering figure—a one followed by 100 zeros; that is

10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.

This figure is truly unimaginable, for it is billions of times greater than the number of atoms that are in the entire universe! Such a calculation makes nonsense of the claim that humans have been on earth for tens of thousands of years.

 

[Jimmy D]

Since data from that time is sketchy and just inserted to want they want it to be. I don't believe census polls existed then.....

So they don't show exactly what you say, as you just claimed?

"All graphs and data show exactly what I say."

LOL

I'm glad you agree that all "common ancestors" are simply made up then, since you don't believe in them....

I didn't say anything of the sort. If you would like to change the subject just say so though, there's no shame in admitting that you made a mistake.

Show me a census from 4,000 years ago and not just made up graphs of what someone wanted it to be?

So no population data backs up your flood assertion? You could have just said so.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

So they don't show exactly what you say, as you just claimed?

"All graphs and data show exactly what I say."

They show the human population has doubled every 40 years, making nonsense of your claims of hundreds of thousands of years. Only starting with an extremely small number (8) does the population doubling every 40 years add up to what we see today.

I didn't say anything of the sort. If you would like to change the subject just say so though, there's no shame in admitting that you made a mistake.

If you want to avoid talking about your missing common ancestors which is your only link, just say so....

So no population data backs up your flood assertion? You could have just said so.

Just as none back up yours. You could have just said so too.

 

[Jimmy D]

We know from the Bible, however, that around 2500 BC (4,500 years ago) the worldwide Flood reduced the world population to eight people. But if we assume that the population doubles every 150 years, we see, again, that starting with only Noah and his family in 2500 BC, 4,500 years is more than enough time for the present population to reach 6.5 billion.

LOL.

• 1006 BC—David becomes king of the ancient United Kingdom of Israel (traditional date).
• 1002 BC—Death of Zhou Zhao Wang, King of the Zhou Dynasty of China.
• 1001 BC—Zhou Mu Wang becomes King of the Zhou Dynasty of China.
• Earliest evidence of farming in the Kenya highlands.
• c. 1000 BC—Iron Age starts.
• c. 1000 BC—The United Kingdom of Israel reaches its largest size, it is Israel's golden age.
• c. 1000 BC—Nok culture
• c. 1000 BC—Latins come to Italy from the Danube region.
• c. 1000 BC—Archaeological evidence obtained from inscriptions excavated in 2005 dates the Proto-Dravidian language, a classical language spoken in India.
• c. 1000 BC—Assyrians started to conquer neighbouring regions.
• 1000 BC—Priene, Western Anatolia is founded.
• c. 1000 BC—Hungarian separates from its closest linguistic relatives, the Ob-Ugric languages.
• c. 1000 BC—Saul.
• c. 1000 BC—Ancient Iranian peoples enter Persia.
• c. 1000 BC—Villanovans occupy the northern and western Italy.
• c. 1000 BC—Phoenician alphabet is invented.
• c. 1000 BC—Rice is cultivated in Ancient Japan.
• 1000 BC—Early Horizon period starts in the Andes.
• c. 1000 BC—Chavin culture starts in the Andes.
• c. 1000 BC—Paracas culture starts in the Andes.
• c. 1000 BC—Historical beginning of the peoples we later know as Illyrians[2]
• c. 1000 BC—Rough carbon-14 dating of the Cherchen Man.

World Population according to Justatruthseeker : 8192

 

[Justatruthseeker]

LOL.

• 1006 BC—David becomes king of the ancient United Kingdom of Israel (traditional date).
• 1002 BC—Death of Zhou Zhao Wang, King of the Zhou Dynasty of China.
• 1001 BC—Zhou Mu Wang becomes King of the Zhou Dynasty of China.
• Earliest evidence of farming in the Kenya highlands.
• c. 1000 BC—Iron Age starts.
• c. 1000 BC—The United Kingdom of Israel reaches its largest size, it is Israel's golden age.
• c. 1000 BC—Nok culture
• c. 1000 BC—Latins come to Italy from the Danube region.
• c. 1000 BC—Archaeological evidence obtained from inscriptions excavated in 2005 dates the Proto-Dravidian language, a classical language spoken in India.
• c. 1000 BC—Assyrians started to conquer neighbouring regions.
• 1000 BC—Priene, Western Anatolia is founded.
• c. 1000 BC—Hungarian separates from its closest linguistic relatives, the Ob-Ugric languages.
• c. 1000 BC—Saul.
• c. 1000 BC—Ancient Iranian peoples enter Persia.
• c. 1000 BC—Villanovans occupy the northern and western Italy.
• c. 1000 BC—Phoenician alphabet is invented.
• c. 1000 BC—Rice is cultivated in Ancient Japan.
• 1000 BC—Early Horizon period starts in the Andes.
• c. 1000 BC—Chavin culture starts in the Andes.
• c. 1000 BC—Paracas culture starts in the Andes.
• c. 1000 BC—Historical beginning of the peoples we later know as Illyrians[2]
• c. 1000 BC—Rough carbon-14 dating of the Cherchen Man.

World Population according to Justatruthseeker : 8192

what, you still got 3,000 years to go.
That's your calculation, not mine. I specifically said to start with 8 and double it every 40 years.
Go ahead, let me know the realistic number you get by 1000 BC instead of your faked number.
That number is reached a mere 400 years after the flood. You cant even be honest in your calculations....

 

[DogmaHunter]

2. Magic or miracles?

Pot8to, potato....

 

[Jimmy D]

They show the human population has doubled every 40 years,

Who are "they"? Can you provide evidence of this?

If you want to avoid talking about your missing common ancestors which is your only link, just say so....

Common ancestors are not the topic we are discussing.

Just as none back up yours. You could have just said so too.

Did I make an assertion about population size? Please provide a link.

 

[Jimmy D]

what, you still got 3,000 years to go.
That's your calculation, not mine. I specifically said to start with 8 and double it every 40 years.
Go ahead, let me know the realistic number you get by 1000 BC instead of your faked number.
That number is reached a mere 400 years after the flood. You cant even be honest in your calculations....

So you didn't just type this?

And let us assume that the population doubles every 150 years. Therefore, after 150 years there will be four people, after another 150 years there will be eight people, after another 150 years there will be sixteen people, and so on.

We know from the Bible, however, that around 2500 BC (4,500 years ago) the worldwide Flood reduced the world population to eight people. But if we assume that the population doubles every 150 years, we see, again, that starting with only Noah and his family in 2500 BC, 4,500 years is more than enough time for the present population to reach 6.5 billion.

 

[Jimmy D]

PS.

Speaking of "ignoring data"....

Edit: The image won't show for some reason, see below.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Who are "they"? Can you provide evidence of this?

https://arachnoid.com/lutusp/populati.html

"At the present world population growth rate of 1.1% per year (Population Growth), how long will it take to double the world's population?

The appropriate equation for this case is (4) above, with the following arguments:

t=log(NN0)r=log(21)0.011=63.243 (years)"

In my original example I gave 150 years, because even that was more than enough time.

Common ancestors are not the topic we are discussing.

Sure they were, you responded to it in your original post. You wish to avoid them since they are missing, understood.

Did I make an assertion about population size? Please provide a link.

"World Population according to Justatruthseeker : 8192"

No, you claimed I made a claim, when I stated no such number anywhere.... So justify your fake number putting it to faking my claim of population size?????

 

[Jimmy D]

PS.

Speaking of "ignoring data"....