Genesis chapter one

lithium. · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by JohnR7
Even with evidence the "scientific community" can be a little slow to catch on. The guy who came up with the idea that doctors had to wash their hands so they did not spread disease from one patient to another lost his job for being a trouble maker. Even though there was lots of evidence that his position was true.

Well people have been trying to find evidence for the global flood for more than 100 years and the only thing they could come up with is sea fossils on mountians and we know why there are fossils on mountians. So as I said if there was any real evidence/facts it would be in science books.

JohnR7 · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by seesaw
Well people have been trying to find evidence for the global flood 

I am not convinced the flood was global. The language in the Bible could very well mean just the civilized world at that time.

But it could have been global. At one time the world was under water and there was no land. Just like there are places like the moon that have no water at all and they are made up of all land.

JohnR7 · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by sulphur
Please give evidence that people want a pay check without working.

You mean there are still people out there that want to make money the old fashion way, by working for it?

It is just a part of the fallen human nature & this is what Satan uses to tempt people. They want instant gratificaion, they want something for nothing and they want it right away. The advertisers work off of this to sell their products. Go to mcdonalds and get a instant meal without waiting. Use your credit card and go on vaccation now, without having to save up the money.

With God, things are slow and gradual and they take time. Things start off small and grow bigger. Even if God were to hand someone a large amount of money, somone has to have gathered that money together. The Bible says that God will use the wicked to gather money, and God gives it to the righteious.

aaron · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by themeecer
But God created the light before the stars.  We had the light from the stars and the sun prior to the making of the stars. 

 

Actually God created the stars

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Then the light

Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.So God created the stars than the light.

MSBS · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by themeecer
I find it funny that you believe that all the matter in the universe existed in the space smaller than the period at the end of this sentence.  Then for no reason at all this little dot started to spin.  Then for no reason at all this dot decided to explode.  Then in .000000000000000000000000000000001 (I think that is 32 zeros) of a second the dot expanded to the current size of the universe.  I find that down right hilarious.

Where did I get my info?  Well, I know how to read.  I got it from books.

 

Can't read very well aparently.....the universe expanded to it's current size in around 15 billion (thousand million for you british types) years. not 10^-32 seconds. It seems obvious that if you are trying to represent a theory with an ever expanding universe then your statement is nonsensical.

MSBS · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by sulphur
Please give evidence that people want a pay check without working.

That's easy:

California lottery FY 2000 2001 SALES , Last 16 years

Scratchers® . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $ 1,188,927,861 $ 12,526,136,726
SuperLotto. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $ 1,272,355,983 $ 16,744,577,281
Fantasy 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $ 154,175,844 $ 1,515,652,025
Daily 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $ 85,094,791 $ 650,708,443
Hot Spot® . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $ 184,903,440 $ 2,550,019,687
Daily Derby® . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $ 9,383,604 $ 374,352,116
Total Sales . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 2,894,841,523 $ 34,361,446,278

All at $1 a pop.

from:

http://www.calottery.com/media/pdf/LotteryAR2001English.pdf

themeecer · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by MSBS
Can't read very well aparently.....the universe expanded to it's current size in around 15 billion (thousand million for you british types) years. not 10^-32 seconds. It seems obvious that if you are trying to represent a theory with an ever expanding universe then your statement is nonsensical.

Grabbing at straws there aren't ya bucko?  My bad .. small typo.  I meant to say that the dot exploded to the current size of the matter contained in the universe.  Either way it is a ludicrous concept.

lithium. · Nov 24, 2002

Either way it is a ludicrous concept.

how is it ludicrous, do you have evidence that says it's ludicrous.

themeecer · Nov 25, 2002

Originally posted by aaron
 

Actually God created the stars

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Then the light

Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.So God created the stars than the light.

Hey aaron, actually I was confused on this as well till recently.  I taught a bible school youth class this summer and we studied Genesis.  If you will look closely at these verses you will see that the stars were made on the fourth day.

 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15   And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16   And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17   And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18   And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19   And the evening and the morning were the fourth day

Here is a list of the order of Creation from http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-ordercreation.html

Order of Creation in Christian and Jewish Biblical Records
(book of Genesis 1-2)

Day One
Watery, formless planet Earth suspended in the darkness and void of space (no stars, no sun, no moon, no planets - except for Earth).
Light.
Separation of light from the darkness - and the first indication that the planet is rotating (day and night cycle produced). Day Two
Formation of Earth's atmosphere, separating the water into two parts:
      (a) oceanic and subterranean water
      (b) atmospheric water. Day Three
Dry land and oceans.
System to water the entire land surface using subterranean waters (involving springs or mist, or both).
Vegetation, seed-bearing plants, trees that bear fruit.
Garden of Eden (probably). Day Four
Sun
Moon - complete with established orbit so as to mark passage of time (months, seasons, and years).
Stars and other planets. Day Five
Water creatures of all kinds. (All that had "the breath of life" were vegetarian.)
Birds (all vegetarian). Day Six
Land animals (all vegetarian): (a) creatures that move close to the ground (small animals), (b) large animals, and (c) animals of use to man as livestock.
Man.
Woman (saving the best for last).

themeecer · Nov 25, 2002

Originally posted by seesaw
how is it ludicrous, do you have evidence that says it's ludicrous.

Yes I do. You asked what books I got my info from. Well I have read many through the years and a lot was from memory, but I have two books I am currently reading I was pulling some of the info that was more vague in my memory. If you are into science one in particular should be fascinating to you, Darwin's Leap of Faith by John Ankerberg & John Weldon. You can purchase it from Amazon.com at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...ks&n=507846

Why do I say evolution (of the universe from a speck of dust or of humans from non-living matter) is ludicrous? I have numerous reasons, but let me just touch on one. The esteemed late Carl Sagan and other prominent scientists have estimated the chance of man evolving at roughly 1 chance in 10^2,000,000,000. This is a figure with two billion zeros after it and would require 2,000 books to write out. This number is so infinitely small that it is not even conceivable. So, for argument's sake let's take an infinitely more favorable view toward the chance that evolution might occur. 
What if the chances are only 1 in 10^1000 the figure that a prestigious symposium of evolutionary scientists used computers to arrive at? This figure involved only a mechanism necessary to abiogenesis (the birth of life from non-life) and not the evolution of actual primitive life. Regardless, this figure is also infinitely above Borel's single law of chance (1 chance in 10^50) beyond which, put simply, events never occur. Not even once chance remains.

Evolutionary scientists have called just 1 chance in 10^15 a virtual impossibility. (J. Allen Hynek, Jacque Vallee, The Edge of Reality Chicago, IL: Henry Regenery, 1975), p. 157) So how can they believe in something that has less than 1 chance in 10^1000? After all, how small is one chance in 10^1000? Its very small 1 chance in 10^12 is only one chance in a trillion.

We can also gauge the size of 1 in 10^1000 (a figure with a thousand zeros) by considering the sample figure 10^171. How large is that figure? First, consider that the number of atoms in the period at the end of this sentence is approximately 3,000 trillion. Now, in 10^171 years an amoeba could actually transport all the atoms, one at a time, in six hundred thousand, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, universes, each universe the size of ours, from one end of the universe to the other (assuming a distance of 30 billion light years) going at the dismally slow traveling speed of 1 inch every 15 billion years. The amoeba could do all this in 10^171 years. Yet this figure of 1 chance in 10^171, quite literally, cannot scratch the surface of 1 chance in 10^1000 the chance that a certain mechanism necessary to the beginning of life might supposedly evolve. Again, who can believe in such miracles something whose odds are 1 chance in 10^1000, 1 chance in 10^2,000,000,000, or even far beyond this?

That my friend is ludicrous.

 
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lithium. · Nov 25, 2002

Originally posted by themeecer

Yes I do.  You asked what books I got my info from.  Well I have read many through the years and a lot was from memory, but I have two books I am currently reading I was pulling some of the info that was more vague in my memory.  If you are into science one in particular should be fascinating to you, Darwin's Leap of Faith by John Ankerberg & John Weldon.  You can purchase it from Amazon.com at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1565076575/qid=1038204300/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/104-4057569-1539168?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 

Why do I say evolution (of the universe from a speck of dust or of humans from non-living matter) is ludicrous?  I have numerous reasons, but let me just touch on one.  The esteemed late Carl Sagan and other prominent scientists have estimated the chance of man evolving at roughly 1 chance in 10^2,000,000,000.  This is a figure with two billion zeros after it and would require 2,000 books to write out.  This number is so infinitely small that it is not even conceivable.  So, for argument's sake let's take an infinitely more favorable view toward the chance that evolution might occur.

What if the chances are only 1 in 10^1000 the figure that a prestigious symposium of evolutionary scientists used computers to arrive at?  This figure involved only a mechanism necessary to abiogenesis (the birth of life from non-life) and not the evolution of actual primitive life.  Regardless, this figure is also infinitely above Borel's single law of chance (1 chance in 10^50) beyond which, put simply, events never occur.  Not even once chance remains.

Evolutionary scientists have called just 1 chance in 10^15 a virtual impossibility. (J. Allen Hynek, Jacque Vallee, The Edge of Reality Chicago, IL: Henry Regenery, 1975), p. 157)  So how can they believe in something that has less than 1 chance in 10^1000?  After all, how small is one chance in 10^1000?  Its very small 1 chance in 10^12 is only one chance in a trillion.

We can also gauge the size of 1 in 10^1000 (a figure with a thousand zeros) by considering the sample figure 10^171.  How large is that figure?  First, consider that the number of atoms in the period at the end of this sentence is approximately 3,000 trillion.  Now, in 10^171 years an amoeba could actually transport all the atoms, one at a time, in six hundred thousand, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, universes, each universe the size of ours, from one end of the universe to the other (assuming a distance of 30 billion light years) going at the dismally slow traveling speed of 1 inch every 15 billion years.  The amoeba could do all this in 10^171 years.  Yet this figure of 1 chance in 10^171, quite literally, cannot scratch the surface of 1 chance in 10^1000 the chance that a certain mechanism necessary to the beginning of life might supposedly evolve.  Again, who can believe in such miracles something whose odds are 1 chance in 10^1000, 1 chance in 10^2,000,000,000, or even far beyond this?

That my friend is ludicrous.

Well I guess we both think something is ludicrous. You think this is ludicrous and I think god is. LOL

themeecer · Nov 25, 2002

Why can I not paste a document I type in word into this forum without getting all the junk about the fonts and spacing?

lithium. · Nov 25, 2002

Originally posted by themeecer
Why can I not paste a document I type in word into this forum without getting all the junk about the fonts and spacing?

Try this. Goto your control Panel, then Options, then "Use vBCode quick links on your message input screens?" and choose no.

themeecer · Nov 25, 2002

Originally posted by seesaw
Well I guess we both think something is ludicrous. You think this is ludicrous and I think god is. LOL

Then I have wasted my time on you.  Even though I pointed out the chances of evolution happening, nil, by using the leaders of evolutionary thought, you dismiss it.  I knew you wouldn't believe it if I used my most important source, the bible, so I figured I would use individuals that would be credible to you.  You have blocked yourself off from all reason, because the alternative is unthinkable.

I wash my hands of you, your blood is not on my hands.  I will continue to pray for you, though.  I hope you do change your mind.  I would love to embrace you as a brother in heaven someday.  I do ask one thing, if you earnestly wanted answers to the questions you posed, please read the book I referred you to, Darwin's Leap of Faith.  If for no reason than to "Know thine enemy."

I wish you well. :wave:

aaron · Nov 25, 2002

Originally posted by themeecer
Hey aaron, actually I was confused on this as well till recently.  I taught a bible school youth class this summer and we studied Genesis.  If you will look closely at these verses you will see that the stars were made on the fourth day.

Thank you very much. I did not notice that. I am glad to keep learning. Thanks again.

          Aaron

themeecer · Nov 25, 2002

You're welcome .. I am still learning every day.

 

sulphur · Nov 25, 2002

Themeecer I think you have missed out Professor Gould.His last book "The Structure of Evolutionary Theory" published by Harvard University is a little hard to paraphase but is regarded as the defininitive book on evolution which he supports and gives evidence in great detail.There are over 1400 pages of close print so I cannot give you a summary

themeecer · Nov 25, 2002

Originally posted by sulphur
Themeecer I think you have missed out Professor Gould.His last book "The Structure of Evolutionary Theory" published by Harvard University is a little hard to paraphase but is regarded as the defininitive book on evolution which he supports and gives evidence in great detail.There are over 1400 pages of close print so I cannot give you a summary

No no sulphur, no fair being lazy on here.  If I had to type out all that stuff I did citing examples, you need to do as well.  *smile*

You are a retired teacher .. I am sure you have had many students condense books down to a few lines in a book report. 

sulphur · Nov 25, 2002

Okay, give me a couple of months and I'll see what I can do. But of course I may be able to find a review or perhaps I can use the fly leaf?

themeecer · Nov 25, 2002

Just messing with you sulphur, no need to do that.  I get slap happy so late at night.  Speaking of that .. I am going to bed.  G'night!

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