Genesis "and it was good" problem:

[Diamond72]

Not to mention that my pastor taught at universities by invite, even to speak at MIT .

Gerald Schroeder got a Ph.D. in Earth Sciences and Physics from M.I.T. He is one of the leading experts on Genesis Chapter one and OEC. He has some nice articles on the internet to help people understand. He did research for The Hebrew University of Jerusalem and currently teaches at the Aish HaTorah World Center in Jerusalem.

 

[Diamond72]

And then it was lost. The one it was lost to offered it to Jesus in the wilderness. For a price.

Jesus paid a price to get it back at Calvery.

 

[Diamond72]

Sure, the totality of creation was "very good." But doesn't the declaration of days 1-5 as "good" make the absence of that declaration rather conspicuous on day 6?

God is God of all and in all. All is one in God. In real-time. We can go anywhere in the universe in an instant because we are already there. We are just not aware of that. God took me to the middle of the universe in a dream once.

The Universe is expanding slightly faster than the speed of light. That could be what is causing the decay. So we can photograph the light from the early universe because it is just now catching up with us.

 

[Lulav]

But why specify the creations on days 1-5 are "good" but on day 6 it's absent?

Because the making of Man was the ultimate in the creation, so it is called very GOOD

Sure, the totality of creation was "very good." But doesn't the declaration of days 1-5 as "good" make the absence of that declaration rather conspicuous on day 6?

But it's not. Using those word, tov meod - very good, shows the completion of Creation and that the final product was very good.

Someday I want to see that first conversation that Eve had with Mary. They lived almost 6,000 years apart. The Bible makes a lot of effort to show that Eve was the Matriarch of Mary and Jesus.

I think it would be more like 4000 years. Miriam lived 2000 years ago.

 

[Lulav]

People believe Satan and his angels were thrown down to the earth 200 million years ago. He was angry with God so he wanted to get the dinosaurs to destroy (consume) each other. He wanted God's creation to destroy itself.

I don't know who these ppl are but I think it was a lot earlier than that. I also don't believe that he wanted Gods creation to destroy itself, I believe he helped it along, causing the reason for the flood. Genetic experimentation did not start with mankind.

Isaiah 14:14 "I will make myself like the Most High.”

Yes, he wanted to be worshipped as the Creator. So he took what God created and corrupted it. The animals, the birds, the fish, all creation including manking. Gen 6:6

We are here to fight the battle to win creation back for God. I do not understand the rebellion myself because there is NOTHING better than to praise, honor and worship God.

No, that is not our job, that is/was the job of the Messiah. Our job is to uphold who the true and one and only Creator is by respecting and remembering the Day he proclaims is Holy, set apart to honor him in his creation.

Of course, not everyone agrees with this. This is the only explanation for why we have to suffer and endure what we do in life. Genesis 3:5 the serpent told Eve: "you will be like God".

Just like a kid, wants to do something he shouldn't and tries to drag others down with him.

 

[Lulav]

Please consider watching this.

I watched the whole thing, what did you wish for us to take away from it?

 

[All Becomes New]

I watched the whole thing, what did you wish for us to take away from it?

Well, first of all, thanks for checking it out! I just thought it was interesting that there are alternate interpretations of how old some of the people in Genesis are, which puts into question the age of the earth. Now, you could say it is a shorter time, but the other possibility is, as is said in the video, that the generations it gives are not direct, meaning, there could be many generations of people from one name to the next.

 

[Lulav]

Well, first of all, thanks for checking it out! I just thought it was interesting that there are alternate interpretations of how old some of the people in Genesis are, which puts into question the age of the earth. Now, you could say it is a shorter time, but the other possibility is, as is said in the video, that the generations it gives are not direct, meaning, there could be many generations of people from one name to the next.

OK, I see. I've also come across some works on the dates of the lineages from Noah to Abraham. Seems there are discrepancies about the ages of some in that line. I'll have to remember where I found that, which won't be easy as I spend too much time lately watching videos and reading books and online, I think I'm getting to old to keep them all straight!

 

[All Becomes New]

OK, I see. I've also come across some works on the dates of the lineages from Noah to Abraham. Seems there are discrepancies about the ages of some in that line. I'll have to remember where I found that, which won't be easy as I spend too much time lately watching videos and reading books and online, I think I'm getting to old to keep them all straight!

I don't think Dr. Olson has said his theory of the ages of these people is a hard and fast rule (divisible by 60 [I think] and some with divisible by 60 + 7). He said there is room for more study of this.

 

[JohnRemnant]

To O.P.:
Genesis is for our benefit. Man not being alone, is something that is taught throughout The Bible.
It has no bearing on the previous chapter at all. You're missing the big picture of the chapter to focus on a non issue.
Actually missing a whole lot.
Gen 1:1 states everything is already created. Verse 2 is when the trouble began if you understand why we are here according to The Bible as a whole teaching, and what the Hebrew states for verse 2. Not in chapter 2.

 

[Diamond72]

I also don't believe that he wanted Gods creation to destroy itself

Like I said this is my understanding of Galations 5:15 "If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other." Your understanding maybe different than mine.

 

[GenemZ]

Gerald Schroeder got a Ph.D. in Earth Sciences and Physics from M.I.T. He is one of the leading experts on Genesis Chapter one and OEC. He has some nice articles on the internet to help people understand. He did research for The Hebrew University of Jerusalem and currently teaches at the Aish HaTorah World Center in Jerusalem.

I once walked on the campus of the University of Jerusalem, but did not attend. I was attending the American College in Jerusalem in the late 60's.
But, Uncle Sam cut that short for me, and spend 5 years in the Army National Guard.... only later to find myself walking onto the campus of a Bible college I had a dream about.. which did not exist ten years earlier when I had that dream.

Old Earth Creationism is Biblical to the core. One of the MIT students who learned from my pastor wrote his thesis based upon the teachings of Genesis One that my pastor presented from the Hebrew text.

So much for that...

Grace and peace ........

 

[Diamond72]

I once walked on the campus of the University of Jerusalem

I would like to go to Jerusalem. We will all see the new Jerusalem. It reminds me of Bruce Feiler's book: "Walking the Bible". When you go to the places where the Bible took place, it must help to bring it all alive for you. To actually walk the streets that Jesus walked and to go to the places where He went, like the Temple Mount and the Mount of Olives.
Even Bruce Feiler did a PBS special on his book. He talks about the soil God used to create Adam. How that is still a part of us today. People get confused about our physical bodies and do not realize how we come from the elements of this earth. We use to talk about how much the elements are worth that make us up. Today that would be quite a bit, almost $1000. If we were to make someone from the earth.

 

[GenemZ]

I would like to go to Jerusalem. We will all see the new Jerusalem. It reminds me of Bruce Feiler's book: "Walking the Bible". When you go to the places where the Bible took place, it must help to bring it all alive for you. To actually walk the streets that Jesus walked and to go to the places where He went, like the Temple Mount and the Mount of Olives.
Even Bruce Feiler did a PBS special on his book. He talks about the soil God used to create Adam. How that is still a part of us today. People get confused about our physical bodies and do not realize how we come from the elements of this earth. We use to talk about how much the elements are worth that make us up. Today that would be quite a bit, almost $1000. If we were to make someone from the earth.
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Years back while studying nutrition a most fascinating factor entered my mind.... Those 'elements' of the earth that the Lord took and then 'molded and formed' (jatsar) into the body that was designated for Adam's soul? Those elements are what is found on a label for an excellent multimineral supplement.

How could Moses know that scientific reality? He did not.

 

[Diamond72]

How could Moses know that scientific reality? He did not.

Moses gives us diet laws. I do not eat shell fish or pig meat. Because he tells us not to.

 

[GenemZ]

Moses gives us diet laws. I do not eat shell fish or pig meat. Because he tells us not to.

You totally missed what I meant.

Moses could not know that it is elements of the earth that man's body actually consists of.

That information had to come from God to Moses.

 

[Diamond72]

Moses could not know that it is elements of the earth that man's body actually consists of.

That information had to come from God to Moses.

Yes correct.

The main thing is for 3,400 years Moses has been proven to be accurate and true for generation after generation.

 

[GenemZ]

The main thing is for 3,400 years Moses has been proven to be accurate and true for generation after generation.

Because it came from not Moses, but God. Science today will reveal that if science would only get its collective head out of its butt.

Moses was God's faithful messenger of the written word as it was given to Moses. It was God's thinking.
For Moses could not know what science would much later reveal several millennia later as to it being true concerning the human body's composition coming from the elements found in the earth.

God's intention when giving us scientists was to be used for His Glory. Not their self glory as secular scientists today many times wish to be revered by men. Good example of this is this movie...

 

[Diamond72]

Science today will reveal that if science would only get its collective head out of its butt.

I have been playing with my son's old smartwatch. He gets a new one every year. There are five sensors so you can monitor your oxygen, pulse, blood pressure, sleep, and so on. They were worried about my oxygen levels when I am sleeping but so far everything is fine. The thing is, this is not medical equipment. It is in the ballpark but you can be sure they are not going to hit the ball out of the park. It is pretty much just a toy for older people to play with. Young people have perfect vitals so they get bored with it really easily. But older people if the vital signs are off just a bit, call 911, let's go to the emergency or at least call the doctor. It may be paranoid and delusional, but that is pretty much the state of the science. They are in the ballpark, in a general sort of way, but do not expect any degree of accuracy. So they say the only difference between men and boys is the size of their toys.

 

[Stephen3141]

Genesis 1 describes how God created the heavens and the earth, "and it was good." This statement is repeated multiple times in Genesis 1.

I've heard from many people (including myself) who believe that Creation, at the beginning, was perfect. Everything was good, and there was nothing bad about it.

And I've believed this for a very long time, until I got into a lengthy discussion with someone, and read more closely in Genesis 2... "God saw that it was not good for the man to be alone." But God created everything so far, and "it was good". Here it says that "it was not good." How do you reconcile these two passages?

The objects that God created, were good. How we live our life, through time, is different than a simple physical object.