Genesis "and it was good" problem:

[Yekcidmij]

But it does, he says it was 'Very Good' showing that of all creation Adam (mankind) was the star.

But why specify the creations on days 1-5 are "good" but on day 6 it's absent?

 

[AV1611VET]

But why specify the creations on days 1-5 are "good" but on day 6 it's absent?

Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

 

[GenemZ]

You're quite wrong, my friend.

I'm second to none in believing that God ceased from creating EX NIHILO, but has indeed created EX MATERIA in other instances.

Such as when He fed the widow of Zarephath in the Old Testament; and the 5000 in the New Testament.

And I don't need to speak in tongues to show it.

It's right there in English.

Now -- with that in mind -- let's get back to Adam & Eve in Genesis 1.

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Let me paraphrase for clarity:

Genesis 1:27 So God created [Adam] in his own image, in the image of God created he [Adam]; male and female created he [Adam and Eve].
28 And God blessed [Adam and Eve], and God said unto [Adam and Eve], Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Then we get to Genesis 2, where God says ...

Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

That is, He ceased from creating EX NIHILO at the end of the sixth day.

The level of mass/energy in the universe started out at zero, God raised it to its current level over a six-day period by a series of miracles, then He ceased from all his work.

Now starts the framework story -- the story within the story -- and we go back into Genesis 1, where Adam is alone, and we see God creating a garden to the eastern section of this giant landmass, placing Adam into it, creating Eve from Adam's rib, and marrying them.

All in English.

And it's an equal shame that you have to trash such a beautiful language as Jacobean English with that junk out of Wrong's Concordance.

You must not confuse 'creating something out from nothing'... with .... 'being creative with some material that does exist.'

The Lord was being "creative" when producing her body. But, he was not creating here body. If he were creating her body in the sense used in Genesis 1:27, there would be no need to remove bone and flesh from Adam's side.

Genesis 1:27 - God was creating something out from nothing when producing her human soul.

"So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them."​

God is invisible and immaterial. Just like a human soul is invisible and immaterial. Its the human soul that was created in God's image. In contrast, the human body is material and visible.


In how you are thinking? Bara would be the equivalent of some artist folding his arms and giving a quick nod.... only to see a beautiful masterpiece instantly materialize out from nothing. That did not happen to bring about the human bodies. They were creative acts of the Lord, but not 'bara.'

Do you want to drag this on some more? I find its reached a point of saturation. Some get it. Do you?

If you do not? What is it that you can not understand?

grace and peace ..........

 

[Yekcidmij]

Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Sure, the totality of creation was "very good." But doesn't the declaration of days 1-5 as "good" make the absence of that declaration rather conspicuous on day 6?

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you want to drag this on some more?

No, thank you.

And if I don't talk to you again, I pray you have a Merry Christmas!

 

[Yekcidmij]

Sure, the totality of creation was "very good." But doesn't the declaration of days 1-5 as "good" make the absence of that declaration rather conspicuous on day 6?

On top of this, God declares things "good" exactly 7 times in Gen 1. This is also striking.

 

[GenemZ]

Yes, as in building up a family which happens from combining seed. In Adams case it would have to be taken from him alone. We see the opposite of this when Jesus was conceived.

Since it says sin entered the world through one man? (Romans 5:12) Its the male sperm that passes down the defective sin nature of our flesh.

"Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin,
so also death was passed on to all men...


In Genesis 3:15, we see the prophesy that it will be through the woman's seed (ovum) that the Messiah will come into the world. No mention of a human father for the Messiah. The woman's ovum does not pass down the sin nature!

That is why the Holy Spirit had to provide the needed genetic material to fertilize the ovum of Mary.
In that way the body of Jesus could be conceived without a sin nature.

grace and peace ............

 

[Yekcidmij]

On top of this, God declares things "good" exactly 7 times in Gen 1. This is also striking.

I can't find this in commentaries either. The only not I've been able to find is that the LXX has added "and it was good" onto day 2 (LXX - New English Translation of the Sept.).

So in Genesis 1, days 2 and 6 are not explicitly declared "good." It's hard to find a commentator to address this. Rashi notes that, for day 2, the work of creating the waters wasn't actually completed until day 3, at which point it was declared "good" (Rashi Commentary). Presumably maybe the same principle applies for man on day 6? Man is a work yet completed, though Rashi doesn't address this for day 6.

 

[Diamond72]

And then it was lost. The one it was lost to offered it to Jesus in the wilderness. For a price.

People believe Satan and his angels were thrown down to the earth 200 million years ago. He was angry with God so he wanted to get the dinosaurs to destroy (consume) each other. He wanted God's creation to destroy itself. Isaiah 14:14 "I will make myself like the Most High.” Galatians 5:15 (KJV) But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

We are here to fight the battle to win creation back for God. I do not understand the rebellion myself because there is NOTHING better than to praise, honor and worship God.

Of course, not everyone agrees with this. This is the only explanation for why we have to suffer and endure what we do in life. Genesis 3:5 the serpent told Eve: "you will be like God".

 

[Diamond72]

In Genesis 3:15, we see the prophesy that it will be through the woman's seed (ovum) that the Messiah will come into the world.

Someday I want to see that first conversation that Eve had with Mary. They lived almost 6,000 years apart. The Bible makes a lot of effort to show that Eve was the Matriarch of Mary and Jesus.

Genetic studies of Jews - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[All Becomes New]

Someday I want to see that first conversation that Eve had with Mary. They lived almost 6,000 years apart. The Bible makes a lot of effort to show that Eve was the Matriarch of Mary and Jesus.

Genetic studies of Jews - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Well, it might not have been a literal 6,000 years. It could have been much longer. People like Michael Heiser and Dr. Craig Olson discuss such things.

 

[Diamond72]

And ribs are bones. It took us thousands of years to figure that one out.

They know that the bone marrow is the only way to reproduce people. They are still working on that.

Psalm 34 20 "He protects all his bones; not one of them will be broken."
Hebrews 4:12 "For the word of God is living and effective and sharper than any double-edged sword, penetrating as far as the separation of soul and spirit, joints and marrow."

 

[GenemZ]

Well, it might not have been a literal 6,000 years. It could have been much longer. People like Michael Heiser and Dr. Craig Olson discuss such things.

Learned from my pastor that as a practice only names of importance appeared in the genealogies, names that are used to determine 6000 years. He stated that its possible to be up to 30,000 years, but no one can say for sure.

 

[Diamond72]

Well, it might not have been a literal 6,000 years. It could have been much longer.

Bishop Ussher settled this over 500 years ago and I have over 40 years of research and study on the genealogies in the Bible. Adam and Eve lived 6,000 years ago. The earth itself could be over 5 billion years old though if that is what you are talking about. The universe is said to be almost 14 billion years old. We are star stuff. All of the "dust" in Adam were elements created in the furnace of a Star.

Revelation 6:13 "the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind."

Job 38:7 "what were its foundations set, or who laid its cornerstone, while the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" (18 Tell Me, if you know all this.)

 

[Diamond72]

no one can say for sure.

No one can be sure, but we know when civilization began. We know when goats and sheep were domesticated. We know the history of ancient Mesopotamia. I studied ancient history back in high school in the late 60's. My history teacher was a holocaust survivor. He escaped the Holocaust because of his education he was able to get a visa and come to America. I have continued to study Ancient History and Archeology for the last 55 years.

My High School Biology teacher was a graduate of Harvard. He put a love of Science and Biology in me. There are many many ways to verify that the Bible is accurate and true. Science and History is just a part of it. So if you want to compare my 55 years of research and study with the five minutes your pastor devoted to this, then that is fine with me. We may all learn something new.

 

[All Becomes New]

Bishop Ussher settled this over 500 years ago and I have over 40 years of research and study on the genealogies in the Bible. Adam and Eve lived 6,000 years ago. The earth itself could be over 5 billion years old though if that is what you are talking about. The universe is said to be almost 14 billion years old. We are star stuff. All of the "dust" in Adam were elements created in the furnace of a Star.

Revelation 6:13 "the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind."

Job 38:7 "what were its foundations set, or who laid its cornerstone, while the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" (18 Tell Me, if you know all this.)

Please consider watching this.

 

[Diamond72]

that phrase was missing.

When He was finished He said: "God saw all that he had made, and it was very good." Genesis 1:32. Very means abundantly good. This is above and beyond just good. Everything was good, then God created man and all was very good.

 

[Diamond72]

Please consider watching this.

3.30 into the video he says the archeology is NOT there. Wrong, Abraham came from the ancient city of UR and the city of UR is there today for us to examine and study. Even in our first year school, we talk about the city of Jericho and how the walls came tumbling down. The wall is still there. It is amazing that they did use that wall for some other building project. But God protected the remains to verify the story in our Bible about Jericho. God wants us to know.

So I can refute him point by point and show that he is wrong if you want. That is no problem for me. I welcome any challenge to what I know to be true because iron sharpens iron and I learn as much as anyone from these discussions. My father was a medical doctor. So I was raised with a pretty strict standard of science and what we consider to be true.

Do you want me to keep going?

 

[All Becomes New]

3.30 into the video he says the archeology is NOT there. Wrong, Abraham came from the ancient city of UR and the city of UR is there today for us to examine and study. Even our first year of Bible school we talk about the city of Jericho and how the walls came tumbling down. The wall are still there. Which is amazing that they did to repurpose the for some other building project. But God protected them to verify the story in our Bible about Jericho.

So I can refute him point by point and show that he is wrong if you want. That is no problem to me. I welcome any challenge to what I know to be true because iron sharpens iron and I learn as much as anyone from these discussions. My father was a medical doctor. So I was raised with a pretty strict standard on science and what we consider to be true.

Do you want me to keep going?

My guess is that either you are generally correct but wrong about the particulars, OR you haven't updated your information in years.

But go ahead and list your resources that contradict Dr. Olsons.

 

[GenemZ]

No one can be sure, but we know when civilization began. We know when goats and sheep were domesticated. We know the history of ancient Mesopotamia. I studied ancient history back in high school in the late 60's. My history teacher was a holocaust survivor. He escaped the Holocaust because of his education he was able to get a visa and come to America. I have continued to study Ancient History and Archeology for the last 55 years.

My High School Biology teacher was a graduate of Harvard. He put a love of Science and Biology in me. There are many many ways to verify that the Bible is accurate and true. Science and History is just a part of it. So if you want to compare my 55 years of research and study with the five minutes your pastor devoted to this, then that is fine with me. We may all learn something new.

Odd... I did not see myself disagreeing with you as far as the timeline.

And, just to set the record straight? My pastor studied at least eight hours a day.. six days a week. And taught six evenings a week after each study. He was a dedicated scholar.

And, speaking of Harvard? The professor of ancient languages who taught at a Bible college I attended, he was associated with Harvard. He recommended my pastor to me.

Not to mention that my pastor taught at universities by invite, even to speak at MIT .

So this pastor you just marginalized? Was no slouch.

Many pastors ordered and studied his messages as reference material.

grace and peace ..........