Genesis 6:1-4 and Jude 6&7 what do these passages mean? Why should we care?

[Hieronymus]

So what is the point ?

Basically Genesis 6:4 is the point.
sons of God and daughters of man.
Also the genocides by God's command is the point, for they're to eradicate giant tribes.

This is apparently ignored by the average church, but it's all in the Bible.

 

[Razare]

I believe there was more to God destroying the earth that just the wickedness of mankind, I’m convinced had not God taken this extreme action, satan would have completely corrupted the seed of woman.

The seed being corrupted actually goes hand in hand with sin. So I completely agree, but let's suggest that when DNA is corrupted, there is sin on the Earth.

We see this today with how scientists want to mess with human genetics and they create strange hybrid creatures, and are beginning to hybridize men and women.

I believe in China, they already create genetic experiments on people but just don't publicize it. What we do know for sure is they have organ vans in China, where they drive up to people's houses, and instead of arresting them, they butcher them in a medical van and sell their organs. This is a government instituted activity to keep jails less full.

If they are doing this, it's a small step to genetic experiments on people.... and we see things like this already:

When we believe Jesus, he just heals us supernaturally, we don't need to start messing with genetics to fix things that God fixes.

Messing with genes to fix the human race is desperation born from unbelief. We don't require it. Jesus heals.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Giants and dragons.
Both have historical reports or are found in traditional tales.
So does the Flood in fact.

For whosoever is interested:

Excellent!

 

[Straightshot]

"This is apparently ignored by the average church, but it's all in the Bible."

I will ask again .... what is the point?

In other words .... so what?

How does your story contribute to the witness of the gospel of Jesus Christ

.... it is just a story by the way .... there is no truth to the idea that angels and humans procreate in union

The problem with your idea is that when an unbeliever hears it, this will make a joke out of the Christian witness and the result will drive them way from what they need to know

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

"This is apparently ignored by the average church, but it's all in the Bible."

I will ask again .... what is the point?

In other words .... so what?

How does your story contribute to the witness of the gospel of Jesus Christ

.... it is just a story by the way .... there is no truth to the idea that angels and humans procreate in union

The problem with your idea is that when an unbeliever hears it, this will make a joke out of the Christian witness and the result will drive them way from what they need to know

The point is...WE WANT TO DISCUSS IT.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

"What method of Bible interpretation allows us to assign a different definition to the “sons of God “in Genesis 6?"


In the original creation all of the angels were considered to be "the son's of God"

However, when a portion of the same rebelled against the Lord, including Satan as the instigator, these are no longer considered to be the "sons of God"

This rebellion took place long before the Genesis 6 account, so the reference to the "son's of God" in the passage were not fallen angles, but human men ... and in this case men of renown and position who were polygamists and they took themselves many women

When men gain power, status, and wealth the more evil they become and they consider themselves to be above the law .... this is nothing new

These human "giants" of stature new better and were not ignorant of the Lord's suggested ways for human's to live .... but they became godless and reprobate .... engaged in behaviors that would satisfy their lusts and evil pleasures

I would suggest to reference a good Bible concordance for the meaning of the term "giants" used to describe the reprobate humans living on the earth during the days of Noah

There is no Scripture that lays a foundational doctrine of Satan being a fallen angel. In Genesis, the serpent is a not a cherub.
Satan, with his hosts of evil angels all created as evil angels in heaven, were given authority over the belly of the earth, which is Sheol below earth, and authority to "eat" the flesh/dust of all created things on earth, by Corruption.
So: Death and Corruption got authority over the flesh/dust and the souls of the Adam creation in Genesis. All souls were held captive in Sheol before the Atonement, in the first death of separation from the Father of Glory. The righteous were kept in a separate part, as Enoch saw and told us in His book, which Jesus' remarks about in Luke 16 also corroborate.

Enoch shows us that there are satans, not just one, abd there is one Prince over them, and that they tempt the holy Watchers and the Adam race.
The chained angels fornicated and took an oath to not return to their heavenly forms, but to remain in the human form they would take to minister on earth. They cursed themselves, damned themselves, with will.


Satan is a created evil spirit in heaven, and the chief of the evil spirits. He tempts, tests, and tries holy angels and the Adam race. He has a host/army under his authority, and they are all subject to the Creator and do His will, and they get the spoils of the war against holy angels and sons of Adam as their prey, to torment and to torture. It is all legal, and God allows it to test and purify the hearts of His creation.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Basically Genesis 6:4 is the point.
sons of God and daughters of man.
Also the genocides by God's command is the point, for they're to eradicate giant tribes.

This is apparently ignored by the average church, but it's all in the Bible.

And the foundation is laid in Enoch, that Moses was very familiar with, when he redacted the information.
Genesis 6 says sons of God took wives of daughters of Adam, "Ben Elohim laqach beth Adam".

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The seed being corrupted actually goes hand in hand with sin. So I completely agree, but let's suggest that when DNA is corrupted, there is sin on the Earth.

We see this today with how scientists want to mess with human genetics and they create strange hybrid creatures, and are beginning to hybridize men and women.

I believe in China, they already create genetic experiments on people but just don't publicize it. What we do know for sure is they have organ vans in China, where they drive up to people's houses, and instead of arresting them, they butcher them in a medical van and sell their organs. This is a government instituted activity to keep jails less full.

If they are doing this, it's a small step to genetic experiments on people.... and we see things like this already:


When we believe Jesus, he just heals us supernaturally, we don't need to start messing with genetics to fix things that God fixes.

Messing with genes to fix the human race is desperation born from unbelief. We don't require it. Jesus heals.

I am not sure that the poor man with the nose is a gene messed with person, because that kind of thing can happen when a twin dies before it is fully finished forming and cells are absorbed by the remaining twin. There are many cases of such.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

[...Noah was “perfect in his generations” I believe this does not refer to his righteousness before God but to his genetics that had not been corrupted by the seed of the serpent. God had already said he was a just man but added “and perfect in his generations”. This would explain why God had to totally destroy the earth men women and children. All flesh had been corrupted.


12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

I believe there was more to God destroying the earth that just the wickedness of mankind, I’m convinced had not God taken this extreme action, satan would have completely corrupted the seed of woman. . [/B]

The Seed of the Woman in Genesis 3 is Christ, the Living Spirit/God, in the person of the Word, who was to come garmented in second creation human being flesh as the Kinsman/Redeemer brother to the Adam creation; and the Woman is spiritualized Jerusalem above, spiritualized as a woman from Genesis to Revelation. She is the" barren widow" who was barren of the sons of God whom Adam was to raise up as sons of God so as to build up Zion above for the Glory to indwell, so She is the City, the Temple, the Mother, the Church above, from Genesis to Revelation.
In Scripture, though, the human being woman has no seed, for the seed is the soul that is [by the Adam spirit], in the loins of the man, carried in the loins of the father from generation to generation, til all are born that are written in the Book of Life to be born in Adam.
Levi was in the loins of Abraham, his great grandfather, and paid tithes to the king of righteousness, in Abraham, states the author of Hebrews in chapter 7. All the nation of Israel came out of the loins of Abraham, as well as many Gentile nations, for Abraham had 8 sons by three wives, and populated the middle east and India, and up into what is bordering on Russia, today.
The female Adam person contributes half of the genetic information to build the house/flesh body for a soul to indwell, but the soul comes right out of the male seed, which also has the information for building half the house/flesh body for that soul to dwell in,

 

[Postvieww]

Jude 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Subject of verse 6 is angels that fell.

7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Subject of verse 7 is still the angels that fell and what sin they committed to be bound in chains? Jude was obviously familiar with the book of Enoch because he quoted it in verse 14. Jesus also quoted the book of Enoch. While it is not in our cannon it should not be dismissed as irrelevant.

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

All fallen angels are not currently bound only those “angels that sinned”. What was that sin? Genesis 6, Jude 6 and the book of Enoch tell us. Satan and the majority of his angels have not yet been cast out of heaven (Revelation 12:7-13) which is proof some of the angels committed a sin more egregious than the rebellion.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Jude 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Subject of verse 6 is angels that fell.

7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Subject of verse 7 is still the angels that fell and what sin they committed to be bound in chains? Jude was obviously familiar with the book of Enoch because he quoted it in verse 14. Jesus also quoted the book of Enoch. While it is not in our cannon it should not be dismissed as irrelevant.

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

All fallen angels are not currently bound only those “angels that sinned”. What was that sin? Genesis 6, Jude 6 and the book of Enoch tell us. Satan and the majority of his angels have not yet been cast out of heaven (Revelation 12:7-13) which is proof some of the angels committed a sin more egregious than the rebellion.

Enoch reveals that there were two hundred fallen angels that descended onto the Mt. Hermon. They were the ones who vowed to take wives and beget children.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Satan is a created evil spirit in heaven, and the chief of the evil spirits. He tempts, tests, and tries holy angels and the Adam race. He has a host/army under his authority, and they are all subject to the Creator and do His will, and they get the spoils of the war against holy angels and sons of Adam as their prey, to torment and to torture. It is all legal, and God allows it to test and purify the hearts of His creation.

I do not believe that our Father created Lucifer evil . Neither do I believe He created him to do evil. I do believe he created Lucifer perfect and that Lucifer was possibly endowed with more power and authority than the rest of the angelic host. There is an old saying that says power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

 

[Postvieww]

Nephilim,Giants, Gibborim, Earthborn. Mighty ones,men of renown all refer to the same ones who are the offspring of fallen angels. I found this video by Perry Stone to be very passionate in explanation.

Excellent video. If anyone on this thread has not taken the time to watch this please do so.

 

[Postvieww]

5 Common arguments against fallen angels cohabiting with women.

1.Angels cannot have sex because of :

Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

This passage does not say fallen angels are not capable of sex all it tells us for sure is that angels of God do not marry.

2. Angels are spirits and do not have a physical body.

In Genesis 19 two angels came to Lot’s house they appeared as men, Lot prepared a meal for them, they were ready to lay down for the night, the wicked men of Sodom wanted to have sex with them, the angels reached for Lot and pulled him into the house. Even though angels are spirits they have the ability to appear in a physical body as men. There is nothing in scripture to tell us the absolute limits of what angels fallen or not are capable of.

Hebrews 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

Hebrews 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light

3. Angels do not have reproductive organs.

I know of no scripture that supports this claim. If they can appear as men so that we cannot tell the difference unless they reveal themselves (Heb. 13:2), this claim cannot be supported with scripture.

4. God would not allow fallen angels to have sex with women.

Not supported with scripture. God is sovereign over His creation but does not micro manage every act of evil. Just as man has freewill and can choose to serve God or not, apparently angels have the same freewill.



5. The sons of God in Genesis 6 were the male sons of Seth and the daughters of men were the female daughters o Cain.

While this is widely taught and accepted as an explanation for the events of Genesis 6 it is completely without merit or basis in scripture. It is a comfortable way to deal with an uncomfortable topic.

1. There is no way scripturally to tie the sons of God to the sons of Seth.

2. There is no way to scripturally tie the daughters of men to the daughters of Cain.

3. How can a union of Godly and ungodly humans produce anything other than another human with freewill to be Godly or not?

http://endtimesandcurrentevents.freesmfhosting.com/index.php?topic=1391.0;wap2

 

[Another Lazarus]

The Book of Henoch has explained it in details the names of the fallen angels
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/enoch/1enoch01-60.htm

Apostle Jude has confirmed his belief in the Book of Enoch :
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH

 

[Straightshot]

"Enoch reveals that there were two hundred fallen angels that descended onto the Mt. Hermon. They were the ones who vowed to take wives and beget children."


This is precisely why the Book of Enoch is not included in the Bible .... the writing is fraudulent and should never be entertained

The man Enoch of the scriptures did not write it

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/book_of_enoch.htm

http://www.brainout.net/EnochTest.htm

http://www.gotquestions.org/book-of-Enoch.html

Some of the most absurd concoctions and historical inaccuracies are contained in the Book of Enoch .... throw it away

All of the angels were created in the beginning along with the Lord's universe and their numbers are still the same today .... they do not multiply in any way and they do not die

The fallen ones including Satan will be destroyed in the Lord's lake of fire still to come

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Some of the most absurd concoctions and historical inaccuracies are contained in the Book of Enoch .... throw it away

No, I will not throw it away. You can throw it away if you don't want to read it. You can unsubscribe to this thread too if you don't want to read it.

All of the angels were created in the beginning along with the Lord's universe and their numbers are still the same today .... they do not multiply in any way and they do not die

The fallen ones including Satan will be destroyed in the Lord's lake of fire still to come

Where do evil spirits come from? Scripture is full of evil spirits possessing people. Our Father did not create evil spirits.

 

[Straightshot]

No He did not .... all of the angels were created perfect in the beginning and all were loyal to their Creator [Job 1:6; 38:1-7] .... you know the rest of the story about Satan's defection [Isaiah 14; Ezekiel 28; Revelation 12]

Throw your Book of Enoch away, you are being mislead by reading extra-biblical materials [Revelation 22:18-19]

.... and I read all of the postings like this one on this forum of significance related to the time of the end

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

No He did not .... all of the angels were created perfect in the beginning and a all loyal to their Creator [Job 1:6; 38:1-7] .... you know the rest of the story about Satan's defection [Isaiah 14; Ezekiel 28; Revelation 12]

You did not answer my question. Where do evil spirits/demons come from?

 

[Straightshot]

I did .... you missed it

Angels are spirit beings and 1/3 of them are evil .... so is their instigator

Do not be impressed by extra-biblical materials .... read them, but learn why the are "evil"

These things may seem harmless to you .... but it is the little fox that spoils the vine

.... especially when they become an obsession for you