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Genesis 1:5 THE FIRST DAY (KJV)

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The universe is 13.8 billion years old. The earth is 4.54 billion years ago.
No one knows that for certain.
However, I am not sure what these estimation say about Genesis and the first day.

So the first day was 9.6 billion years. God created the Heavens and the Earth on the first day.
We agree that God created the Heavens and the Earth on the first day. That's good.

Each day is half the length of the day that came before it.
Were you in heaven when you observed this, or are you billions of years old?

In science, we observe and measure phenomena, and from these observations, we infer the underlying principles or laws.

Gerald Schroeder, who holds a PhD from MIT, has written extensively on the intersection of science and religion

That's okay, as long as you recognize these inferences are not fact.
One of the things i hate to read, is statements stated as fact, which are not verified.
For example... "A mars size planet crashed into the earth x billion of years ago, causing our moon to form."

Science journals and scientist would be more trusted, if they seemed more honest, by saying things such as, "Scientist believe..." Or, "The current idea is..." Or, "It is thought that...".
 
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Hey

I think Genesis does an amazing job explaining a very complicated creation in a few short Chapters. The heaven would be the complete environment outside of earth (space). I think that’s a pretty clear illustration.
Really amazing.
That's what we would expect from a document tht is divinely inspired.

Yeah I think most of us understand that a day is not always exactly 24 hours and I used it in the context that I’m referring to a normal day like we see today.
The only difference here, is Genesis does not refer to a day from the perspective of man.
This is why Genesis 2:4 refers to the sis creative days as a day, because the creative days are from the perspective of God.

When God created the heavens and the earth, and everything in them. it was not magic, but a progressive process, that involved using the physics, chemistry., Mathematics... God is the greatest scientist.
This is why man today can find the Fibonacci sequence in almost every plant... if not all.
Creation was a careful purposeful design, by a God of wisdom, that took thousands of years to complete.

I am not sure about the billions todays scientists estimate. They need billions for evolution, but as we are finding out daily, these estimations aren't adding up, and are often wrong.

Discovery of new exoplanet raises questions about planet formation

The more new planets we find, the less we seem to know about how planetary systems are born, according to a leading planet hunter.
Three Theories of Planet Formation Busted, Expert Says
...many of the newly discovered star systems defy existing models of how planets form.

the dynamics of the atmosphere is more complex than we expected

The moon is about 40 million years older than previously thought

How Did the Moon Form?
While [the idea that an object about the size of Mars slammed into the earth, slinging magma out into Earth’s orbit, which then cooled and formed into what we now refer to as the moon] is the most popular and enjoys the greatest evidence, it's not the only one out there.

The moon may be much older than or the same age as earth... or even just a few thousand years younger than earth. Only God knows.
A new analysis of zircon crystals from the Apollo 17 mission has revealed that the moon formed around 40 million years earlier than past geological evidence suggested. However, our cosmic companion may be even older than that.

There is a lot science don't know, and will never know, but the idea that creation of the heavens and the earth, and everything in them took a mere 144 hours, is far less realistic than anything science says.
That idea falls into the category of fairy tale, evidently.

Consider this...
On days 5 and 6, God created the animals, and lastly, man.
Genesis 2:15 says God put the man in the garden, and in Genesis 2:19 we read... God formed yet farther out of the earth all the wild beasts of the field, and all the birds of the sky, and he brought them to Adam, to see what he would call them, and whatever Adam called any living creature, that was the name of it.

So, even after Adam was created, before day 6 ended, God was bringing animals all the birds of the sky, and beast of the field, to Adam, for Adam to name them.
Do you think Adam named all those animals, in 24 literal hours???
Why, Adam would have to study the animals, in order o give them unique names, and that would have taken a lot of years.

God surely wanted Adam to enjoy this learning experience.
Think of living forever! Life would not be boring when you have "all the time in the world" to study animals of every species. You won't have to name them, thanks to Adam, but i would be an enjoyable long period of time... thousands... millions... even billions of years... but hey... who's counting, when you have endless life. :D

The earth is water and every other element and mineral that the earth is comprised of. I never said the earth was just water.
I still do not understand how the earth is water.
Do you have a source of reference, and can you explain in simple terms, please.

Check this out: if the earth today had no topology (no hill or valleys- a completely smooth globe - formless). What you’d see is a planet (earth) completely submersed in water 2 miles deep. The topology is why we see dry land
Formless does not mean smooth. ???
The weight of water deforms the earth, even today, much less ages ago, when the earth was still young.

Why we see dry land, is because of the process God put in place, which causes land elevation.
The Bible says, "And God said, “Let the waters under the sky be gathered into one place, so that the dry land may appear.” And it was so." Genesis 1:9

The earth's crust is constantly deforming and flexing, and there is plate tectonics, that results in mountains forming, and trenches in the ocean... which is quite amazing, considering how that results in sea creatures adapting.

Under water, there is no dry land. Of course.

No I mean Science. The “I Am Science” guy.
Okay.
 
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In Genesis 2:4, we are told that Chapter 2 is giving an account, or history of creation.
Genesis 2 is therefore not a continuation of Genesis 1, but a history of some events and details not mentioned in Genesis 1.

For example, Genesis 2 helps us appreciate that Adam - the man, was created long before the woman - Eve.
It also tells us that God was creating animal life, after Adam was created, and God was bringing those animals to Adam, to see what Adam would name them.


Thank you.
Would that be Genesis 1:1 - the heavens and the earth, or before that... spirit creatures?


Did you know the six days are also a day? Genesis 2:4.
Where in Genesis 2 does it say that Adam was created long before Eve?

I don't believe that Genesis 2 conflicts with Genesis 1. Genesis 1 gives the Creation days in order. Genesis 2 provides more detail. Some commentators, including John Gill, say that "formed" could equally be "had formed" in Genesis 2:19.

You ask if I think that the first day began with the creation of the heavens and the earth or before that, with the creation of spirit creatures. As far as we can tell, because the bible does not describe the creation of angels etc., the first day began with the creation of the physical universe.

Regarding the use of the same word "day" (and the same word "yome" in Hebrew) in Genesis 2:4 as is used in verses in Genesis 1, in the latter case, the meaning of "day" is qualified by the words that indicate it consisted of evening and morning. I understand that without such a qualification, the word could mean a period of time.

Thanks for replying.
 
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There are a lot of YEC people who believe "The First Day" is a literal 24 hour day. So in the literal Bible what happened on this first "day"? Usually they God created
בָּרָ֣א
bā-rā)
the Earth on the first day. But what does "Earth" mean in this verse? We are told "the earth was without form, and void". We have a ton of questions here and so far we have only defined ONE word, the word DAY. There are a lot of words here that need defined but it is usually agreed that we are talking about the word "earth". So WHAT does this word: "earth" mean in the literal Bible. JUST THE BIBLE. If you want to ONLY use the Bible to define the word DAY then we have to apply the same rule to the word: "Earth". What does JUST the BIBLE say the word "Earth" means? Then we have to go though all the words to look at just what the literal Bible says. You reject science for what a day is so it is only fair that you can not use science to define what the rest of the words in the passage say or mean. GAP people say there was a GAP of time between beginning and "the earth was without form and void". We see this term used also in Jeremiah 4:23 "I looked at the earth, and it was formless and void; and at the heavens, and their light was gone." The Bible defines the Bible so how do we use these terms in Jeremiah to understand what the term "formless and void" means in Genesis one. No cheating. You can not use Science because you have already rejected science when you define day as a 24 hour day. So we can not use science to define any of the other words in the literal passage. In the literal bible what was Jeremiah: "looking" at?
The earth is the planet we live on.
 
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There are a lot of YEC people who believe "The First Day" is a literal 24 hour day. So in the literal Bible what happened on this first "day"? Usually they God created
בָּרָ֣א
bā-rā)
the Earth on the first day. But what does "Earth" mean in this verse? We are told "the earth was without form, and void". We have a ton of questions here and so far we have only defined ONE word, the word DAY. There are a lot of words here that need defined but it is usually agreed that we are talking about the word "earth". So WHAT does this word: "earth" mean in the literal Bible. JUST THE BIBLE. If you want to ONLY use the Bible to define the word DAY then we have to apply the same rule to the word: "Earth". What does JUST the BIBLE say the word "Earth" means? Then we have to go though all the words to look at just what the literal Bible says. You reject science for what a day is so it is only fair that you can not use science to define what the rest of the words in the passage say or mean. GAP people say there was a GAP of time between beginning and "the earth was without form and void". We see this term used also in Jeremiah 4:23 "I looked at the earth, and it was formless and void; and at the heavens, and their light was gone." The Bible defines the Bible so how do we use these terms in Jeremiah to understand what the term "formless and void" means in Genesis one. No cheating. You can not use Science because you have already rejected science when you define day as a 24 hour day. So we can not use science to define any of the other words in the literal passage. In the literal bible what was Jeremiah: "looking" at?
The account is written in a chiastic structure. 1:1 parallels 2:1 and 1:2 parallels 2:2-3. They act as bookends to the account like an introduction and conclusion and do not articulate created acts. 2:1 is very much a conclusion explaining what has happened so 1:1 is very much an introduction explaining what's going to happen. 2:2-3 is about the 7th day that when everything is complete God ceased his work. This is the anithesis to 1:2 contrasting concepts like darkness, unformed, unorganised, void, empty, chaos.... With light, formed, organised, complete, full, rest etc.

The account sets up everything in chaotic state as preexisting in the account. Western mindset wants to dig deeper and keep looking until everything is explained but to an ancient mindset before you build you need materials like Adam being formed from dirt and they don't need to know where the material came from and that's what 1:2 lays out.

Darkness becomes shaped and organised and light is spoken into it (day 1), the primordial waters become organised into sky/ocean (day 2) and the unformed earth becomes formed (day 3) so chaos is transformed to an organised state than days 4, 5, 6 fills these with the sun, moon stars (day 4) water and sky animals (day 5) the finally land animals (day 6). This all follows a chiastic pattern.

The account explains the role of each line with itself in classic chiastic form and also tells an embedded salvation message from light being spoken into darkness to it ending in rest. When we hyper analyse the literal we miss the point and the account begins to fall apart.
 
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Where in Genesis 2 does it say that Adam was created long before Eve?
The Bible says this, in Genesis 2:7-19
7 Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being.​
8 And the LORD God planted a garden in Eden, in the east, where He placed the man He had formed.​
And out of the ground the LORD God made to spring up every tree that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.​
10 A river flowed out of Eden to water the garden, and there it divided and became four rivers.​
15 Then the LORD God took the man and placed him in the Garden of Eden to cultivate and keep it.​
18 The LORD God also said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make for him a suitable helper.”​
19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and He brought them to the man to see what he would name each one. And whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.​
20 The man gave names to all the livestock, to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field. But for Adam no suitable helper was found.​
21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep, and while he slept, He took one of the man’s ribs and closed up the area with flesh.​
22 And from the rib that the LORD God had taken from the man, He made a woman and brought her to him.​

  1. God formed the man from the dust of the earth.
  2. God made a garden in which he planted trees, desirable for food, and for beauty.
  3. God placed the man in the garden, to care for it.
  4. God brought all the animals on the land, as well as the birds of every kind, to Adam, for him to name. Of course, God could not bring the sea creatures to Adam, but it's reasonable to conclude that Adam named the ones he could see. However, I will not speculate.
After all this, God made the woman, and brought her to the lonely man, whom the Bible describes this way... alone.
When Eve was brought to Adam, the Bible records his words in Genesis 2:23...
Then the man said, “This at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.”

I was not there when Adam made that exclamation, so I do not know what his exact words were.
I know a few facts though.
  • The Bible is not a book of magic, where everything god does is a snap of the finger, and viola!
  • It takes time for a garden to grow, as it is watered.
  • It takes time to care for ta garden.
  • Adam had hundreds of different kinds of animals to name, and he is not a DC Comic character, like the Flash, or Superman, who will just look at an animal, and BOOM!, name that animal. It would have takes time to study the animal. Adam needed to eat sleep, and so forth. He is no superhuman.
  • Adam, was finally satisfied with a companion, of his kind.

So, I leave you to do the Math, David.
If you think all this took place in a matter of a few hours, nothing I say will convince you otherwise, that the idea that the six days were literal 24 hour days, is a fantasy, we find in fairy tale novels, and myths.

I don't believe that Genesis 2 conflicts with Genesis 1. Genesis 1 gives the Creation days in order. Genesis 2 provides more detail. Some commentators, including John Gill, say that "formed" could equally be "had formed" in Genesis 2:19.

You ask if I think that the first day began with the creation of the heavens and the earth or before that, with the creation of spirit creatures. As far as we can tell, because the bible does not describe the creation of angels etc., the first day began with the creation of the physical universe.
I'm glad we can at least agree here.

Regarding the use of the same word "day" (and the same word "yome" in Hebrew) in Genesis 2:4 as is used in verses in Genesis 1, in the latter case, the meaning of "day" is qualified by the words that indicate it consisted of evening and morning. I understand that without such a qualification, the word could mean a period of time.
God is described in the Bible as having hands, feet, eyes, fingers. Can't God have an evening and morning?
Is it not true that God had the Bible written for man, and therefore uses term that man can relate to?
Does 'evening and morning' necessarily mean evening and morning from man's worldview, or time, or can 'evening and morning' be used with reference to God's time?

Thanks for replying.
Thank you as well, David.
 
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It talks about a 6 day creation too…but the Bible doesn’t always mean what it says. Death, resurrection, new body, eternal life. I asked my science friend about that and he laughed at me.
Then why are we having this conversation. I was dead and now I am alive. Of course the question is how much can a body decompose and still recover. With Jesus He was in the grave 3 dqys, with Lazarus he was in the grave for five days. Of course that is a far cry from the resurrection of those who have been cremated and their ashes thrown into the ocean. Yet the Bible clearly says they will be resurrected. Science does not believe in a resurrection because there is no evidence. When Jesus died the veil in the temple was rent. There was an earth quake and 500 people were resurrected. They went into the city and talked to the people. But nothing else is said about them and where they are now. Matthew 27:51-53
 
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7 Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being.
One of the many things Job did not understand. "Remember that you molded me like clay. Will you now turn me to dust again?" Job 10 9
 
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The Bible says this, in Genesis 2:7-19
7 Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being.​
8 And the LORD God planted a garden in Eden, in the east, where He placed the man He had formed.​
And out of the ground the LORD God made to spring up every tree that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.​
10 A river flowed out of Eden to water the garden, and there it divided and became four rivers.​
15 Then the LORD God took the man and placed him in the Garden of Eden to cultivate and keep it.​
18 The LORD God also said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make for him a suitable helper.”​
19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and He brought them to the man to see what he would name each one. And whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.​
20 The man gave names to all the livestock, to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field. But for Adam no suitable helper was found.​
21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep, and while he slept, He took one of the man’s ribs and closed up the area with flesh.​
22 And from the rib that the LORD God had taken from the man, He made a woman and brought her to him.​

  1. God formed the man from the dust of the earth.
  2. God made a garden in which he planted trees, desirable for food, and for beauty.
  3. God placed the man in the garden, to care for it.
  4. God brought all the animals on the land, as well as the birds of every kind, to Adam, for him to name. Of course, God could not bring the sea creatures to Adam, but it's reasonable to conclude that Adam named the ones he could see. However, I will not speculate.
After all this, God made the woman, and brought her to the lonely man, whom the Bible describes this way... alone.
When Eve was brought to Adam, the Bible records his words in Genesis 2:23...
Then the man said, “This at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.”

I was not there when Adam made that exclamation, so I do not know what his exact words were.
I know a few facts though.
  • The Bible is not a book of magic, where everything god does is a snap of the finger, and viola!
  • It takes time for a garden to grow, as it is watered.
  • It takes time to care for ta garden.
  • Adam had hundreds of different kinds of animals to name, and he is not a DC Comic character, like the Flash, or Superman, who will just look at an animal, and BOOM!, name that animal. It would have takes time to study the animal. Adam needed to eat sleep, and so forth. He is no superhuman.
  • Adam, was finally satisfied with a companion, of his kind.

So, I leave you to do the Math, David.
If you think all this took place in a matter of a few hours, nothing I say will convince you otherwise, that the idea that the six days were literal 24 hour days, is a fantasy, we find in fairy tale novels, and myths.


I'm glad we can at least agree here.


God is described in the Bible as having hands, feet, eyes, fingers. Can't God have an evening and morning?
Is it not true that God had the Bible written for man, and therefore uses term that man can relate to?
Does 'evening and morning' necessarily mean evening and morning from man's worldview, or time, or can 'evening and morning' be used with reference to God's time?


Thank you as well, David.
First, the word you have in Gen 2:23 translated as "now at last" can also mean "now", but even if it means "now at last", that could easily refer to the fact that Adam had just given names to all the animals, not necessarily a long period of time. Yes, I know he had many to name, but we cannot assume that he took many days to do it. And yes, it does take time for a garden to grow, but the bible tells us that God created the trees and plants with their seeds/fruit already in them, just as He created Adam and Eve as adults, not as little babies. Yes, the bible does refer to God's "hands", "feet" and other body parts, but that is not like saying that a day consists of an evening and a morning. Thanks again.
 
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The only difference here, is Genesis does not refer to a day from the perspective of man.
This is why Genesis 2:4 refers to the sis creative days as a day, because the creative days are from the perspective of God.
Not sure where you got that from or why why you would think that. The Bible was certainly written for man and an evening and a morning is a pretty good explanation of what God meant by a day. And you can’t ignore
“For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20‬:‭11‬ ‭KJV‬‬
The sabbath was a 24 hour day
When God created the heavens and the earth, and everything in them. it was not magic, but a progressive process, that involved using the physics, chemistry., Mathematics... God is the greatest scientist.
This is why man today can find the Fibonacci sequence in almost every plant... if not all.
Creation was a careful purposeful design, by a God of wisdom, that took thousands of years to complete.

I am not sure about the billions todays scientists estimate. They need billions for evolution, but as we are finding out daily, these estimations aren't adding up, and are often wrong.

Discovery of new exoplanet raises questions about planet formation

The more new planets we find, the less we seem to know about how planetary systems are born, according to a leading planet hunter.
Three Theories of Planet Formation Busted, Expert Says
...many of the newly discovered star systems defy existing models of how planets form.

the dynamics of the atmosphere is more complex than we expected
The moon is about 40 million years older than previously thought
How Did the Moon Form?
While [the idea that an object about the size of Mars slammed into the earth, slinging magma out into Earth’s orbit, which then cooled and formed into what we now refer to as the moon] is the most popular and enjoys the greatest evidence, it's not the only one out there.

The moon may be much older than or the same age as earth... or even just a few thousand years younger than earth. Only God knows.
A new analysis of zircon crystals from the Apollo 17 mission has revealed that the moon formed around 40 million years earlier than past geological evidence suggested. However, our cosmic companion may be even older than that.

There is a lot science don't know, and will never know, but the idea that creation of the heavens and the earth, and everything in them took a mere 144 hours, is far less realistic than anything science says.
That idea falls into the category of fairy tale, evidently.
You have a lot there. If you don’t mind let me focus on Adam. How did God create him? Is it fair to assume he was created as an adult?
Consider this...
On days 5 and 6, God created the animals, and lastly, man.
Genesis 2:15 says God put the man in the garden, and in Genesis 2:19 we read... God formed yet farther out of the earth all the wild beasts of the field, and all the birds of the sky, and he brought them to Adam, to see what he would call them, and whatever Adam called any living creature, that was the name of it.

So, even after Adam was created, before day 6 ended, God was bringing animals all the birds of the sky, and beast of the field, to Adam, for Adam to name them.
Do you think Adam named all those animals, in 24 literal hours???
I believe studies on this show it could easily have been done in a day.
I still do not understand how the earth is water.
Do you have a source of reference, and can you explain in simple terms, please.
I’m saying the earth has water. The earth has rocks. The earth has gold. Every non living element, mineral, etc on earth is what the earth is. Just as Mars is everything on that planet.
I’m computer programming we call them properties. Water is a property of earth.
Formless does not mean smooth. ???
Topography is the study of the forms and features of land surfaces.

The forms of land surface would be the hills and valleys. No form would be flat with no hills or valley.

If the earth had no topography the planet would be covered by the water 2 miles deep

 
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The Bible is not a book of magic, where everything god does is a snap of the finger, and viola!
Actually it literally is. The Bible is filled with numerous miracles from beginning to end.
Adam had hundreds of different kinds of animals to name, and he is not a DC Comic character, like the Flash, or Superman, who will just look at an animal, and BOOM!, name that animal. It would have takes time to study the animal. Adam needed to eat sleep, and so forth. He is no superhuman.
Adam didn’t need to study an animal to come up with a name for it, animal names don’t have anything to do with their physical characteristics. All he had to do was spit out a name which only takes two seconds, even less if he was in a hurry. If you had hundreds of animals to name at some point you’re going to stop caring about the name and start rattling off the first thing that comes to mind.
 
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First, the word you have in Gen 2:23 translated as "now at last" can also mean "now", but even if it means "now at last", that could easily refer to the fact that Adam had just given names to all the animals, not necessarily a long period of time. Yes, I know he had many to name, but we cannot assume that he took many days to do it. And yes, it does take time for a garden to grow, but the bible tells us that God created the trees and plants with their seeds/fruit already in them, just as He created Adam and Eve as adults, not as little babies. Yes, the bible does refer to God's "hands", "feet" and other body parts, but that is not like saying that a day consists of an evening and a morning. Thanks again.
Okay David. Thanks.
One last question :Are you saying Adam named all the animals in less than24 hours?
 
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Not sure where you got that from or why why you would think that. The Bible was certainly written for man and an evening and a morning is a pretty good explanation of what God meant by a day. And you can’t ignore
“For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.”
You are not ignoring Genesis 2:4, are you?

‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20‬:‭11‬ ‭KJV‬‬
The sabbath was a 24 hour day
Which Sabbath?

You have a lot there. If you don’t mind let me focus on Adam. How did God create him? Is it fair to assume he was created as an adult?
No need to assume.
The Bible says God created "the man"; told the man to eat of the trees, of the garden - not drink milk; gave the man instructions, no baby would understand...
Adam was created an adult.

I believe studies on this show it could easily have been done in a day.
I'd appreciate you sharing those studies with me... even one would be good enough.

I’m saying the earth has water.
Oh. Okay. Now, that makes sense.

The earth has rocks. The earth has gold. Every non living element, mineral, etc on earth is what the earth is. Just as Mars is everything on that planet.
I’m computer programming we call them properties. Water is a property of earth.
So, do you believe it is correct to say, you are water?
Would you be comfortable telling that to a child, or someone you met on the streets.

Topography is the study of the forms and features of land surfaces.

The forms of land surface would be the hills and valleys. No form would be flat with no hills or valley.

If the earth had no topography the planet would be covered by the water 2 miles deep
Was the earth covered by water, according to Genesis? Was the water really deep, according to Genesis? Do you believe Genesis?
 
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Actually it literally is. The Bible is filled with numerous miracles from beginning to end.
Do you believe because God does something beyond human understanding, it is magic?
Are you aware that what persons onced considered miraculous, is no longer so, because they understand how it works?

Adam didn’t need to study an animal to come up with a name for it, animal names don’t have anything to do with their physical characteristics. All he had to do was spit out a name which only takes two seconds, even less if he was in a hurry. If you had hundreds of animals to name at some point you’re going to stop caring about the name and start rattling off the first thing that comes to mind.
Thank you for sharing your viewpoint.
However, if you had only 100 species to name, and you followed your idea above, in all honesty, would you forget that you gave several animals the same name, because you forgot you actually called the name before?
Consider doing this excercise - naming 100 different species - 10 times.
Honestly.
 
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Do you believe because God does something beyond human understanding, it is magic?
Are you aware that what persons onced considered miraculous, is no longer so, because they understand how it works?
Then it wasn’t a miracle. How does science explain a talking donkey? Or a woman being turned into a pillar of salt by looking at a city while others who were with her were unaffected? Or a man walking on water? Or a man being brought back from being dead for 3 days? The Bible specifically uses the word miracle which means an event that is unexplainable by science or natural occurrence. If a person can’t believe in miracles, then they can’t believe in the Bible. There’s just no way around it.
 
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Then it wasn’t a miracle.
Please explain what a miracle is.

How does science explain a talking donkey? Or a woman being turned into a pillar of salt by looking at a city while others who were with her were unaffected? Or a man walking on water? Or a man being brought back from being dead for 3 days? The Bible specifically uses the word miracle which means an event that is unexplainable by science or natural occurrence. If a person can’t believe in miracles, then they can’t believe in the Bible. There’s just no way around it.
Great! So a miracle is not magic.
Magic is not what is unexplainable by known science or known natural occurrence.
The Bible is not a book of magic, where everything god does is a snap of the finger, and viola!
 
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Then it wasn’t a miracle. How does science explain a talking donkey? Or a woman being turned into a pillar of salt by looking at a city while others who were with her were unaffected? Or a man walking on water? Or a man being brought back from being dead for 3 days? The Bible specifically uses the word miracle which means an event that is unexplainable by science or natural occurrence. If a person can’t believe in miracles, then they can’t believe in the Bible. There’s just no way around it.
By the way, the donkey did not talk, anymore than the serpent did.
Reading and understanding the Bible involves more than lifting words off a page.
 
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By the way, the donkey did not talk, anymore than the serpent did.
Reading and understanding the Bible involves more than lifting words off a page.
As I said they don’t believe what is written.
 
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Please explain what a miracle is.


Great! So a miracle is not magic.
Magic is not what is unexplainable by known science or known natural occurrence.
The Bible is not a book of magic, where everything god does is a snap of the finger, and viola!
It’s a supernatural event usually attributed to a deity.
 
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