Genesis 1:5 THE FIRST DAY (KJV)

[Diamond72]

How do we know that Adam spoke Hebrew?

From the Conservative "Jewish" people that give us our Bible.

Yes, Hasidic Judaism holds that Hebrew is the language through which God created the universe. This belief is rooted in texts like the Sefer Yetzirah (Book of Creation), which describes God’s creation process using the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet12. These letters are seen as fundamental elements of creation, with each one representing different aspects of the divine and the universe.

If you do not want their help this is the written Bible. You can interpret it for yourself.

 

[David Lamb]

From the Conservative "Jewish" people that give us our Bible.

Yes, Hasidic Judaism holds that Hebrew is the language through which God created the universe. This belief is rooted in texts like the Sefer Yetzirah (Book of Creation), which describes God’s creation process using the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet12. These letters are seen as fundamental elements of creation, with each one representing different aspects of the divine and the universe.

If you do not want their help this is the written Bible. You can interpret it for yourself.


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Well, here is where we disagree, on the nature of the bible. I believe it to be God's revelation. whereas you say that conservative Jews gave us the bible. There is nothing in the bible itself to indicate what language was spoken prior to Babel.

 

[CoreyD]

Very silly. "In the day" is simply an informal way of referring to past times. It’s not representing that creation 6 days as 1 day.

A day has nothing to do with the sun. It’s based on the rotation of the earth 1 complete time.

It’s not based on anything rotating around the sun. You may want to stop posting about this and just accept what the Bible literally says

The Creation sabbath is 24 hours long.

I forgot to use speaking to kids approach.

The earth is made up of many properties. Water being one of them.

Yes


It’s good to try to understand the Bible but thinking you have the knowledge to actually change what the Bible says with very silly reasoning is not cool. Tread carefully when changing the meaning of the Bible. You are changing the Word of God.

You basically said nothing from scripture, so I have no response. Other than to say, you are insisting on your worldview, by repeatedly saying things like "A day has nothing to do with the sun. It’s based on the rotation of the earth 1 complete time." as if you determine what a day is... and yes, you are indeed ignoring Genesis 2:4 by doing that.

See you some other time, and place.

 

[CoreyD]

How do we know that Adam spoke Hebrew? The bible doesn't tell us what the one language was that everybody spoke before God confused languages at the tower of Babel.

This is true, David. The Bible does not tell us, but I believe we can reason on it, and reach a fairly accurate conclusion.

We can for example ask:
Was the one language that was spoken changed, and discarded? Why would that be necessary?
If the one language remained, and was carried on by some, then it was still being used later.
We know Abraham, was called a Hebrew. Genesis 14:13 Which means Abraham's ancestors were Hebrew.

This would mean that God would have preserved the language in the line of
Abram
Terah
Nahor
Serug
Reu
Peleg
Eber
Shelah
Arpachshad
Shem
Genesis 11:10-27
Noah
Lamech
Methuselah
Enoch
Jared
Mahalalel
Kenan
Enosh
Seth
Adam
Genesis 5:1-31

However, this is just a theory, and I have no way of verifying it, but it seems reasonable to me.
I would not state dogmatically that it is correct. We do not know.

 

[Platte]

You basically said nothing from scripture, so I have no response. Other than to say, you are insisting on your worldview, by repeatedly saying things like "A day has nothing to do with the sun. It’s based on the rotation of the earth 1 complete time." as if you determine what a day is... and yes, you are indeed ignoring Genesis 2:4 by doing that.

See you some other time, and place.

A day is a 24-hour period, or the length of time it takes the Earth to rotate fully on its axis.

I'm not the one trying to change Scripture you are - my worldview is that the Bible is the Word of God - if that's not your's then good luck.

 

[Diamond72]

There is nothing in the bible itself to indicate what language was spoken prior to Babel.

The Bible is written in Hebrew. You think that Moses wrote the Bible in a language other than the Hebrew language? What language do you think the Hebrew people wrote the Bible in? This is really getting weird.

 

[Diamond72]

A day is a 24-hour period, or the length of time it takes the Earth to rotate fully on its axis.

Why are there 364 1/4 days in a year? Why not 360? How can a month be a different length? Should not all the months be the same length? 30 days? Also the sun refracts the light so sun rise is 10 minutes before the sun actually rises. Sun set is 10 minutes after the sun actually sets. So a day on Earth is different from a Day from the perspective of the Sun.

All of this is so they could observe their religious holidays anywhere in the world. With the Greek calendar we use we do not observe the holidays on the right day at all. We celebrate the resurrection on the pagan holiday of Easter. Which is fine with me. I like candy as much as the next guy. But I do know people that have problems with the pagan holiday of Halloween. I even know people that will keep their children home that day. So I guess we get to pick and choose what pagan holidays we want to celebrate.

 

[Platte]

Why are there 364 1/4 days in a year? Why not 360? How can a month be a different length? Should not all the months be the same length? 30 days? Also the sun refracts the light so sun rise is 10 minutes before the sun actually rises. Sun set is 10 minutes after the sun actually sets. So a day on Earth is different from a Day from the perspective of the Sun.

All of this is so they could observe their religious holidays anywhere in the world. With the Greek calendar we use we do not observe the holidays on the right day at all. We celebrate the resurrection on the pagan holiday of Easter. Which is fine with me. I like candy as much as the next guy. But I do know people that have problems with the pagan holiday of Halloween. I even know people that will keep their children home that day. So I guess we get to pick and choose what pagan holidays we want to celebrate.

The discussion is what a day is. Not what a year is or a month is.

 

[Diamond72]

The discussion is what a day is. Not what a year is or a month is.

Reminds me of the day when they would put blinders on the horses so they would stay focused and not get distracted.

 

[Yarddog]

There are a lot of YEC people who believe "The First Day" is a literal 24 hour day. So in the literal Bible what happened on this first "day"? Usually they God created

בָּרָ֣א bā-rā)

the Earth on the first day. But what does "Earth" mean in this verse? We are told "the earth was without form, and void". We have a ton of questions here and so far we have only defined ONE word, the word DAY. There are a lot of words here that need defined but it is usually agreed that we are talking about the word "earth". So WHAT does this word: "earth" mean in the literal Bible. JUST THE BIBLE. If you want to ONLY use the Bible to define the word DAY then we have to apply the same rule to the word: "Earth". What does JUST the BIBLE say the word "Earth" means? Then we have to go though all the words to look at just what the literal Bible says. You reject science for what a day is so it is only fair that you can not use science to define what the rest of the words in the passage say or mean. GAP people say there was a GAP of time between beginning and "the earth was without form and void". We see this term used also in Jeremiah 4:23 "I looked at the earth, and it was formless and void; and at the heavens, and their light was gone." The Bible defines the Bible so how do we use these terms in Jeremiah to understand what the term "formless and void" means in Genesis one. No cheating. You can not use Science because you have already rejected science when you define day as a 24 hour day. So we can not use science to define any of the other words in the literal passage. In the literal bible what was Jeremiah: "looking" at?

A world without GOD in it

 

[Platte]

Reminds me of the day when they would put blinders on the horses so they would stay focused and not get distracted.

Yeah. I think you might need that since a day is based on the rotation of the Earth while months and years are not. The blinders are so the horse doesn’t get distracted.

 

[CoreyD]

A day is a 24-hour period, or the length of time it takes the Earth to rotate fully on its axis.

I'm not the one trying to change Scripture you are - my worldview is that the Bible is the Word of God - if that's not your's then good luck.

The Bible is the word of God, we both agree on that.
So, to you, "A day is a 24-hour period, or the length of time it takes the Earth to rotate fully on its axis."
Therefore, at Genesis 2:4, God created the heavens and the earth in a 24 hour day, the time it takes the earth to rotate fully on its axis, and yet the earth did not exist.
That make a grand lot of sense, doesn't it.

Unless... Unless, a day is not "a 24-hour period, or the length of time it takes the Earth to rotate fully on its axis" except when it is convenient for Platte.
Is that the way it is?

Well, I believe the Bible is the word of God, but I also believe the Bible makes sense. Do you?
If you believe the earth already existed before God created it, or you believe the earth was created within a day, before it could even begin to rotate, most certainly, neither of those make any sense, and defies logic, and reason.
I also believe the Bible - God's word, encourages reasonableness. Philippians 4:5
This too, is a gift of God, which he wants us to utilize.

 

[CoreyD]

Try this exercise, @Platte.
Gather children of all ages, put them in a classroom, and draw a diagram, or illustration, of the heavens and earth being created in "a 24-hour period, or the length of time it takes the Earth to rotate fully on its axis"

Show them the earth rotating, and start counting the hours.
Let's see. God created the heaven, in the first second. Has the earth started rotating?
I can see all the hands going up. "...but sir. The earth is not created yet."

‘From the mouths of children and infants You have ordained praise' Matthew 21:16
Do you think it is a good idea to give the children the chalk, and you sit in the classroom, on this subject?

 

[Platte]

The Bible is the word of God, we both agree on that.
So, to you, "A day is a 24-hour period, or the length of time it takes the Earth to rotate fully on its axis."
Therefore, at Genesis 2:4, God created the heavens and the earth in a 24 hour day, the time it takes the earth to rotate fully on its axis, and yet the earth did not exist.
That make a grand lot of sense, doesn't it.

The day began when He created the heaven and the earth. Not sure what doesnt make sense about that. Would you like it better if the day began before he created the heaven and the earth?

Unless... Unless, a day is not "a 24-hour period, or the length of time it takes the Earth to rotate fully on its axis" except when it is convenient for Platte.
Is that the way it is?

When is a day not 24 hours? There is nothing in the context of creation in Genesis that would suggest otherwise.

Well, I believe the Bible is the word of God, but I also believe the Bible makes sense. Do you?
If you believe the earth already existed before God created it, or you believe the earth was created within a day, before it could even begin to rotate, most certainly, neither of those make any sense, and defies logic, and reason.

I have no idea what you are trying to say. Are you saying God couldn’t have created the earth within a day? The day began WHEN earth was created. That’s the beginning

I also believe the Bible - God's word, encourages reasonableness. Philippians 4:5
This too, is a gift of God, which he wants us to utilize.

What’s unreasonable to you about the literal reading of Genesis?

 

[Platte]

Try this exercise, @Platte.
Gather children of all ages, put them in a classroom, and draw a diagram, or illustration, of the heavens and earth being created in "a 24-hour period, or the length of time it takes the Earth to rotate fully on its axis"

Show them the earth rotating, and start counting the hours.
Let's see. God created the heaven, in the first second. Has the earth started rotating?
I can see all the hands going up. "...but sir. The earth is not created yet."

‘From the mouths of children and infants You have ordained praise' Matthew 21:16
Do you think it is a good idea to give the children the chalk, and you sit in the classroom, on this subject?

The heaven and earth were created at the same time based in genesis 1:1. But are you saying it should say 1day and 1second?

 

[David Lamb]

The Bible is written in Hebrew. You think that Moses wrote the Bible in a language other than the Hebrew language? What language do you think the Hebrew people wrote the Bible in? This is really getting weird.

Sorry, but Moses lived long after the events at the Tower of Babel, when God caused the human beings to speak different languages. I made no mention of what language the Old Testament was written in. Of course the human authors under God were Hebrews, and the wrote in Hebrew, but they all wrote after Babel.

 

[David Lamb]

This is true, David. The Bible does not tell us, but I believe we can reason on it, and reach a fairly accurate conclusion.

We can for example ask:
Was the one language that was spoken changed, and discarded? Why would that be necessary?
If the one language remained, and was carried on by some, then it was still being used later.
We know Abraham, was called a Hebrew. Genesis 14:13 Which means Abraham's ancestors were Hebrew.

This would mean that God would have preserved the language in the line of
Abram
Terah
Nahor
Serug
Reu
Peleg
Eber
Shelah
Arpachshad
Shem
Genesis 11:10-27
Noah
Lamech
Methuselah
Enoch
Jared
Mahalalel
Kenan
Enosh
Seth and Abraham himself to start with, were not Hebrews
Adam
Genesis 5:1-31

However, this is just a theory, and I have no way of verifying it, but it seems reasonable to me.
I would not state dogmatically that it is correct. We do not know.

I'm glad you said it was just a theory. According to the bible, The ancestors of Abraham, and Abraham himself to start with, were not Hebrews. Hebrew is a name applied to Abraham and his descendants.

 

[Diamond72]

Hebrew is a name applied to Abraham and his descendants.

Paul argues that the promises made to Abraham find their ultimate fulfillment in Jesus Christ. He refers to Christ as the “seed” of Abraham, through whom all nations would be blessed (Galatians 3:16)3.

Not all the "Jewish" people are descended from Abraham. While not a covenant in the traditional sense, God's promises highlight God’s attention to Hagar and her son, Ishmael. That her descendants would be too numerous to count.

The DNA is not as easy to untangle was we think it should be.

 

[David Lamb]

Paul argues that the promises made to Abraham find their ultimate fulfillment in Jesus Christ. He refers to Christ as the “seed” of Abraham, through whom all nations would be blessed (Galatians 3:16)3.

Not all the "Jewish" people are descended from Abraham. While not a covenant in the traditional sense, God's promises highlight God’s attention to Hagar and her son, Ishmael. That her descendants would be too numerous to count.

The DNA is not as easy to untangle was we think it should be.

Sorry, I was answering a post which claimed that Abraham's ancestors were Hebrews. I wasn't discussing Abraham's descendants.

 

[Diamond72]

Sorry, I was answering a post which claimed that Abraham's ancestors were Hebrews. I wasn't discussing Abraham's descendants.

“Hebrew” is believed to derive from the verb “la’avor,” which means "to cross over"1. This is often associated with Abraham, who is considered the first Hebrew. He crossed over the Euphrates River, leaving his homeland in Mesopotamia to journey to the land that would become Israel1.

Abraham was given the Arab continental plate 1500 by 1500 by 1500 miles. This will be the new Jerusalem. With mineral and air rights.

In the High School I attended people were offended by use of the word Jewish or Jew. They felt this was slander on the word Judah. With the Hasidic that does not seem to be an issue with them.