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Genesis 1:1

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After many years of study I am convinced that the "beginning" in Genesis 1:1 is not the beginning of everything, as has been assumed and taught traditionally. It is the beginning of specifically the two things it says it is the beginning of, THE heaven and THE earth. A close study of the bible will reveal that there are three different "heavens" so this verse is specific about the creation of one of them which was done at the same time that God created another place called the earth.

As far as I can tell the bible is a book that begins with the creation of both the heaven and the earth (not the heaven"s" and the earth). It concludes when those two places are brought to a conclution. In fact throughout the bible mosts of the time when one of those places are mentioned the other is also. In over 150 specific places they are talked about in relation to each other. I conclude that heaven where God lives is a similar type of place to the earth. Makes sense since we were created in the likeness of God.

What do you think?
 

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tjnesbitt said:
After many years of study I am convinced that the "beginning" in Genesis 1:1 is not the beginning of everything, as has been assumed and taught traditionally. It is the beginning of specifically the two things it says it is the beginning of, THE heaven and THE earth. A close study of the bible will reveal that there are three different "heavens" so this verse is specific about the creation of one of them which was done at the same time that God created another place called the earth.

If this is of interest to you, let me know and we can discuss it.


The "third heaven" that you allude too is something found in the Pauline Epistles! Not only is this a notion that only comes a few centuries after the composition of Genesis, no it is probable that Paul speaks of the third of seven or even more heavens (cf Ascension of Isaiah).

Furthermore are you familiar with this or a similar reading of Gen 1:1. Taken from the NRSV:
In the beginning when God created* the heavens and the earth,​

It would render the "beginning" as referring the start of the creation of the heavens and the earth which itself is then elaborated on later. Of course it would also mean that there is no creative action taking place at all in Gen 1:1. But that only fits quite well with the rest of the P-creation story where every instance of a creative action is indicated by the phrase "God said" which is missing in the first verse.

 
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Industriaan said:
ok, and if u read furter in genesis, u will find outh is isn't the creation story of all mankind, but just that off the isreali people.

It's not just the Hebrews, all of mankind came from the seed of Adam. Satan also has seed on the earth. I apologize that i will not be able to particaipate further in this thread, It's friday and i'm about the leave work early. Don't tell. ;)
 
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all of mankind came from the seed of Adam
Wow, that dude has got to have had one hell of an [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]!!!
Maybe that is what is referred to as "the great flood" in the bible?
 
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Opethian said:
Wow, that dude has got to have had one hell of an [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]!!!
Maybe that is what is referred to as "the great flood" in the bible?
Tacky...was that really called for?
 
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