Gender equality is an asinine concept.

[Autumnleaf]

Men and women are two separate groups of people with two separate brain structures and physiologies. To say they should be treated the same is to discount those differences which is to deny the obvious.

 

[Spherical Time]

Should the law treat men and women differently? Should the government?

I don't think so.

So I disagree that gender equality is an asinine concept.

 

[KET20]

I agree with Spherical Time.

 

[oneofthem]

And now for my serious response...you confuse equality with differences and gender roles. I am different to you. Am I more or less equal than you? Am I worth more or less than you? Paul says there is neither male nor female, Jew nor Greek, slave nor free. We are all the body of Christ.

What's more, Jesus and Paul said and did things that placed great value upon the women in their day. It would have been very taboo and offensive, given the cultures of the time.

 

[Autumnleaf]

And now for my serious response...you confuse equality with differences and gender roles. I am different to you. Am I more or less equal than you? Am I worth more or less than you? Paul says there is neither male nor female, Jew nor Greek, slave nor free. We are all the body of Christ.

What's more, Jesus and Paul said and did things that placed great value upon the women in their day. It would have been very taboo and offensive, given the cultures of the time.

Jesus said men can divorce women for infidelity. He spoke as God being his father and Mary his mother. Jesus was not ignorant about the differences between men and women and their place in society.

 

[Shemjaza]

Men and women are two separate groups of people with two separate brain structures and physiologies. To say they should be treated the same is to discount those differences which is to deny the obvious.

Firstly I'd like to see some evidence that the differences between men and women imply particular gender roles.

If your evidence turns out to be "Men and women are different, there fore they should be treated in a different way... I recommend the ways dictated by my interpretation of an ancient Mesopotamian/Roman religion." I'm going to be disappointed.


Secondly I think an important thing about rejecting prejudice isn't proving that it's unfounded (and in cases of racism and sexism it is very unfounded); it is that it's fundamentally wrong to mistreat people. People deserve dignity and self determination and governments and society should be extremely skeptical of anyone who says otherwise.

 

[stan1980]

*yawns* Lets hear it then, in which ways do you think the laws should discriminate against women (or men).

 

[Autumnleaf]

Firstly I'd like to see some evidence that the differences between men and women imply particular gender roles.

If your evidence turns out to be "Men and women are different, there fore they should be treated in a different way... I recommend the ways dictated by my interpretation of an ancient Mesopotamian/Roman religion." I'm going to be disappointed.


Secondly I think an important thing about rejecting prejudice isn't proving that it's unfounded (and in cases of racism and sexism it is very unfounded); it is that it's fundamentally wrong to mistreat people. People deserve dignity and self determination and governments and society should be extremely skeptical of anyone who says otherwise.

You are using very complex terms I'm not familiar with. I'm pointing out men and women are different in how their brains are wired and how their physiology is made up. Those differences make them different by definition. To treat them the same despite such obvious differences seems silly to me.

 

[oneofthem]

Jesus said men can divorce women for infidelity. He spoke as God being his father and Mary his mother. Jesus was not ignorant about the differences between men and women and their place in society.

Why then can a woman divorce a man for infidelity?

Yes, God was his Father, Mary was His mother. He also said that those who do the will of the Father are His mother, His sisters, His brothers.

And here is a bit of trivia for ya:

* Jesus spoke to the Samaritan woman at the well. Alone. It was highly inappropriate for a man to consort with a woman, let alone a Jewish man to consort with a Samaritan woman, let alone for a Jewish man to bring up the issue of a Samaritan woman's romantic life with her, alone.

* Jesus protected the woman who was being condemned by the Pharisees who were trying to trap Jesus. He said "he who has never sinned may cast the first stone". And in that situation, where was the man? If this woman was caught in the very act of adultery, where was the man? Jesus cut through the sexist crap of his day.

* Jesus had close female friends, including a (previously) adulterous Mary of Magdelene.

* Jesus chose to appear to two women FIRST when he rose from the dead. Women were not allowed to be witnesses in courts of law, nor were their testimonies regarded in any way at all. But He appeared to them first.

* Paul had two female friends who did ministry with him, and they are mentioned and thanked in his letters.

Jesus did not care about a woman's place in a society who's culture was heavily influenced by the hypocritical traditions of the Pharisees. Jesus placed value on the women in His world.

And if you want to know more about the rightful place of a woman, have a read of Proverbs 31.

Again, i believe you are confusing equality with difference and gender roles.

 

[Lazuline]

Black people and white people are also different, and as such should be treated differently. In lieu of evidence or examples, I'm just going to assert that this is obvious.

 

[cantata]

Men and women are two separate groups of people with two separate brain structures and physiologies. To say they should be treated the same is to discount those differences which is to deny the obvious.

As far as I know, most people in favour of gender equality are not suggesting that both men and women should have regular prostate exams and cervical smears.

They are suggesting that men and women should receive, by law, equal pay for doing the same work, for example. Do you disagree with that?

Jesus said men can divorce women for infidelity. He spoke as God being his father and Mary his mother. Jesus was not ignorant about the differences between men and women and their place in society.

Would you like to elucidate some of the ways in which you would like to see men and women treated differently by the law?

 

[quatona]

Men and women are two separate groups of people with two separate brain structures and physiologies. To say they should be treated the same is to discount those differences which is to deny the obvious.

I doubt that the the request for gender equality postulates that they "should be treated the same".
No two persons (regardless of their gender) have the same brain structures and physiologies and therefore shouldn´t be treated the same.

Gender equality rather postulates to give everyone the same opportunity to act upon their individual make up, regardless of their gender.

Nice try, though.

 

[cantata]

Gender equality rather postulates to give everyone the same opportunity to act upon their individual make up, regardless of their gender.

Exactly.

 

[Steezie]

Leaf you cant seem to separate equality with uniformity.

Gender uniformity is insisting that the genders are the same, as in no differences, or insisting that there are no differences between the genders.

Gender equality simply means equal treatment for both genders

 

[funnymommy]

As several people have pointed out, I think you're confusing "equality" with "uniformity". Obviously men and women are different. I hear very few people asserting differently. I think the main thrust of gender equality was to recognize that women are not property and are as intelligent as men. I say "was" because we've come A LONG way in that regard. What exactly are you proposing with this post topic? That women and men aren't equal and that a woman's place is "barefoot and pregnant"? I'm confused.

 

[Bombila]

AL likely just wants to set up an argumentative discussion that might lure in some Biblical literalists and some feminists, so he can watch the resulting fireworks. <<staff edit>>

 

[keith99]

* Jesus protected the woman who was being condemned by the Pharisees who were trying to trap Jesus. He said "he who has never sinned may cast the first stone". And in that situation, where was the man? If this woman was caught in the very act of adultery, where was the man? Jesus cut through the sexist crap of his day.

The verses refering to this are not in ht eoldest and most reliable documents. Out of the 4 major families of ancient documents it is only in one of them.

Much as I like the story I would not rely on it as either factual or written at or near the time of Christ.

 

[coyoteBR]

Untill a year or so ago, I'd agree that there are some things only men could do...

Then, came Danica Patrick. There went my last straw of genre prejudice...

 

[selfinflikted]

rofl, Trev.

 

[Trevorocity]

rofl, Trev.

I sent that same pic to a friend of mine. Then I remembered he is adopted. Then I felt like a complete heel.