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[Olikamay]

To go from Creator to Sabbath takes some doing. The only commonality you can legitimately get from those two texts is the Creator.

I see the 4th commandment as the very epitome of the Sabbath/Creator relationship!! How can you miss such a simple and straight-forward example??

Ex 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
It is so clear to the spiritual mind that God gave mankind the Sabbath day to remind them each week WHO the Creator is!! Why do you think satan and his followers HATE the Sabbath day so much?? It's a burr in his pants because "he" wants to be GOD!!! Sorry dude--the office is already occupied!!

 

[statrei]

I see the 4th commandment as the very epitome of the Sabbath/Creator relationship!! How can you miss such a simple and straight-forward example??

Ex 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
It is so clear to the spiritual mind that God gave mankind the Sabbath day to remind them each week WHO the Creator is!! Why do you think satan and his followers HATE the Sabbath day so much?? It's a burr in his pants because "he" wants to be GOD!!! Sorry dude--the office is already occupied!!

Don't just repeat what you have been taught. The importance of the Sabbath is not the issue here. Read Deut. 5 12-15.

 

[Olikamay]

That is simple. There were no living ones when He was around. And when He left He sent His own representative.

Bzzz--sorry Statrei--your so wrong on this one too--who was the "greatest prophet born of a woman" alive at the time of Jesus?? Yes--it was JOHN THE BAPTIST.

Mt 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

9 But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet.


Geesh Statrei--John even BAPTISED JESUS!!

So your above statement is totally UNBIBLICAL!!!!!!

 

[statrei]

Bzzz--sorry Statrei--your so wrong on this one too--who was the "greatest prophet born of a woman" alive at the time of Jesus?? Yes--it was JOHN THE BAPTIST.

Mt 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

9 But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet.


Geesh Statrei--John even BAPTISED JESUS!!

So your above statement is totally UNBIBLICAL!!!!!!

How should I characterize this? If we have such difficulty dealing with the language we use how can we be trusted with the lofty ideals of the gospel. I was asked about prophets that Jesus referenced. John preceded Jesus and died as Jesus was getting into His mission. We need to handle the language properly.

 

[deu58]

Hello Stateri

So, water was created before the first day of creation. Is that what you believe?

Yes, the first day of creation deals with the earth itself, The entire earth was covered with water before the first day of creation when God did the initial creating of the universe, Water on earth was part of the original creation of the universe, Dirt was here also under the water,

Ge 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

Dirt was not created later and dropped into the water, Dirt and water are the building blocks he used to create life,


Ge 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

Ge 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.


Ge 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

Both, again, Were part of the universeal creation process, Not the process of creating life on the earth itself

 

[statrei]

Hello Stateri



Yes, the first day of creation deals with the earth itself, The entire earth was covered with water before the first day of creation when God did the initial creating of the universe, Water on earth was part of the original creation of the universe, Dirt was here also under the water,

Since the sun, moon and the rest of the stars were created during this week, would you suggest that at one time all we had in the universe was this earth covered with water?

 

[deu58]

Hello Stateri

Since the sun, moon and the rest of the stars were created during this week, would you suggest that at one time all we had in the universe was this earth covered with water?

This would depend upon if you accept the literal 7 day creation or if you accept that the creation account is allegorical,

If it is literal Then yes that is how it went, It should be noted that God said let there be light on the first day, He also separated the light and dark calling one day and the other night,

The sun and the moon were not created until the 4th day, I really do not know if it is literal or allegorical, I was not there,

But this I do know, That with God all things are possible, It could very well be exactly as the bible says it happens,

If we have actually lost the truth as you claim, Then how we lost it was by losing our child like faith, A child does not try to intellectulaize everything,

Dissect it and anylyzen it and if it does not fit our limited perception of rationality discard it as false or useless,

This is what happens when finite man would attempt to intellectualize an infinite God,

We become snared by our own wisdom

The ant who believed he could conquer the sun if he could just figure out a way to get there,

yours in Christ
deu 58

 

[SpeakNow]

If we have actually lost the truth as you claim, Then how we lost it was by losing our child like faith, A child does not try to intellectulaize everything,

Dissect it and anylyzen it and if it does not fit our limited perception of rationality discard it as false or useless,

This is what happens when finite man would attempt to intellectualize an infinite God,

I think we all know people that think they have the Bible figured out, more than anyone else, and that they are "done" studying. They've lost, as you said, their child-like faith, and have tried to make pleasing God harder than it really is. Believing in God is even easier. Believing in His Word easier yet.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

The problem with such people, as I see it, is they're relying on themselves for wisdom when the fear of the Lord is just the beginning of our wisdom. When you rely on your own knowledge to get you through this world, you will be disappointed. Most importantly, you will be humbled at some point.

 

[Olikamay]

How should I characterize this? If we have such difficulty dealing with the language we use how can we be trusted with the lofty ideals of the gospel. I was asked about prophets that Jesus referenced. John preceded Jesus and died as Jesus was getting into His mission. We need to handle the language properly.

You just can't handle it when your busted can you!!! ROFL!! Some always have to squirm and wiggle their way out of correction. Oh well--such is humanity!!

Now--one more time--John was ALIVE when Christ walked on earth. PERIOD!! So your statement was WRONG!! JESUS DID "REFERENCE" JOHN--I gave you the texts that proved that. What more can I do??

 

[SpeakNow]

I don't to jump in the middle of a squabble, so I won't. I just wanted to point out that John the Baptist jumped for joy in his mother's stomach at the news that Mary was pregnant with Jesus.

John the Baptist also spoke and praised the Lord when he was only eight days old. (I've always found that so interesting). The Bible tells us that many questioned whether or not JOHN was the Messiah....

John is also the prophet that announced Jesus as the TRUE Lamb of God.

 

[Olikamay]

Show me the Sabbath in that passage.

See Statrei--YOU WERE talking about the Sabbaath day in this thread!!!!!! Why squirm out of it again??? hhhmmmm

 

[SassySDA]

I think we all know people that think they have the Bible figured out, more than anyone else, and that they are "done" studying. They've lost, as you said, their child-like faith, and have tried to make pleasing God harder than it really is. Believing in God is even easier. Believing in His Word easier yet.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

The problem with such people, as I see it, is they're relying on themselves for wisdom when the fear of the Lord is just the beginning of our wisdom. When you rely on your own knowledge to get you through this world, you will be disappointed. Most importantly, you will be humbled at some point.

Amen! Don't I know it.

 

[SpeakNow]

My point is, that yes, John the Baptist was very much alive at the time of Christ and Christ was very complimentary toward John. John baptized Jesus in the Jordan River. John was jailed when Christ was over 30 years old.

 

[HoneyDew]

My point is, that yes, John the Baptist was very much alive at the time of Christ and Christ was very complimentary toward John. John baptized Jesus in the Jordan River. John was jailed when Christ was over 30 years old.

But when exactly did Jesus begin His Earthly ministry? Wasn't John's death around the time that Jesus' mission was taking off?

 

[SpeakNow]

His baptism was the beginning of His ministry.

 

[Olikamay]

I don't to jump in the middle of a squabble, so I won't. I just wanted to point out that John the Baptist jumped for joy in his mother's stomach at the news that Mary was pregnant with Jesus.

John the Baptist also spoke and praised the Lord when he was only eight days old. (I've always found that so interesting). The Bible tells us that many questioned whether or not JOHN was the Messiah....

John is also the prophet that announced Jesus as the TRUE Lamb of God.

Oh Speak, there is no squabble here. Just two zealous individuals expressing themselves over a difference of scriptural truth. No worries mate.

 

[statrei]

My point is, that yes, John the Baptist was very much alive at the time of Christ and Christ was very complimentary toward John. John baptized Jesus in the Jordan River. John was jailed when Christ was over 30 years old.

These points were never in dispute.

 

[statrei]

See Statrei--YOU WERE talking about the Sabbaath day in this thread!!!!!! Why squirm out of it again??? hhhmmmm

Please try to understand the full context of a conversation. It would not be logical to suggest that I am discussing the etymology of your name simply because you heard me mention your name.

 

[statrei]

You just can't handle it when your busted can you!!! ROFL!! Some always have to squirm and wiggle their way out of correction. Oh well--such is humanity!!

Now--one more time--John was ALIVE when Christ walked on earth. PERIOD!! So your statement was WRONG!! JESUS DID "REFERENCE" JOHN--I gave you the texts that proved that. What more can I do??

Do you want some rep points for this? I suggest you go back and read the question Tim posed that led to this.

 

[statrei]

Hello Stateri



This would depend upon if you accept the literal 7 day creation or if you accept that the creation account is allegorical,

If it is literal Then yes that is how it went, It should be noted that God said let there be light on the first day, He also separated the light and dark calling one day and the other night,

The sun and the moon were not created until the 4th day, I really do not know if it is literal or allegorical, I was not there,

But this I do know, That with God all things are possible, It could very well be exactly as the bible says it happens,

If we have actually lost the truth as you claim, Then how we lost it was by losing our child like faith, A child does not try to intellectulaize everything,

Dissect it and anylyzen it and if it does not fit our limited perception of rationality discard it as false or useless,

This is what happens when finite man would attempt to intellectualize an infinite God,

We become snared by our own wisdom

The ant who believed he could conquer the sun if he could just figure out a way to get there,

yours in Christ
deu 58

Deu, I think I will have to get accustomed to your inability to resist misrepresenting what someone has said. On second thougts, I won't. I will bring it to the attention of the Moderators. You have a responsibility to be honest and truthful on this forum as per the rules. I never claimed we have lost the truth. It does not matter how many times you say it.

Back to the topic. It is dangerous to apply biblical principles where they do not belong. When was the last time you had the same attitude towards an electrical socket as a child has? Childllike faith does not mean childish faith. If my education is of no value to my experience it would have been a waste of time. Don't be so limiting as to suggest that unless we accept a six-day creation as told in Genesis (there was no creation on the seventh-day) then it must be allegorical. This happens to be one of your problems. You seem to have a dualistic view of life. This limits you ability to engage constructively in discussions that are not limited in this fashion.