Gays!!!

[truthshift]

U.S. population as of 2007: 301,621,157

approx. 74.3% of the U.S. population claims to be christian

approx. 4.6%(over 13 million) of the U.S. population claims to be a homosexual

assuming that these two are mutually exclusive(which they are apparently not, as I have seen recently on this forum but, we will say they are for this) we know that there is another whole 21.1% of the population that is "unsaved"

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-There were 11,252,828 counts of violent crimesin the U.S. in 2007 including everything from theft, assault, rape, murder, and burglary
(not including drug, alcohol, or vehicle related crimes)

-There are 3.5 million homeless people in the U.S.(1.35 million of which are children) at any given point in the year.

-852 million(13%) people world wide (almost 3x the U.S. population) are starving right now.

-4,162 U.S. troops and 1,033,112 total deaths in Iraq since the beginning of the war 5 years ago.

-approx. 33 million people worldwide infected with HIV

-approx. 10.9 million _new_ cancer patients a year; 6.7 million of which die every year

-Divorce rates in the U.S.:
Jews 30%
Born-again Christians 27%
Other Christians 24%
Atheists, Agnostics 21%

-No. of countries at war as of 2008: 59

-approx 210 million orphan children worldwide
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So why is it that I see almost every other thread titled with something to do with homosexuality or "gays"?

Do you seriously believe that they're out to get you and destroy what you believe?

Or is it that they don't follow your beliefs, that they bother you, and that they're a relatively easy target that's close to home.

Given that they want to have the right to get married for the sake of having that title and the tax benefits that come along with it, I don't see the problem. They aren't asking for a christian wedding. You can't pull the "marriage is a sacred thing given to us by god." There is a form of wedding tradition in EVERY culture.

What about AAALLL of the people worldwide that will die and supposedly go to hell because they never heard of God because you did not witness to them? Given that 2 people die every second, it looks like you're a little behind.

-E

 

[Polycarp_fan]

U.S. population as of 2007: 301,621,157

approx. 74.3% of the U.S. population claims to be christian

approx. 4.6%(over 13 million) of the U.S. population claims to be a homosexual

assuming that these two are mutually exclusive(which they are apparently not, as I have seen recently on this forum but, we will say they are for this) we know that there is another whole 21.1% of the population that is "unsaved"

----------------------------

-There were 11,252,828 counts of violent crimesin the U.S. in 2007 including everything from theft, assault, rape, murder, and burglary
(not including drug, alcohol, or vehicle related crimes)

-There are 3.5 million homeless people in the U.S.(1.35 million of which are children) at any given point in the year.

-852 million(13%) people world wide (almost 3x the U.S. population) are starving right now.

-4,162 U.S. troops and 1,033,112 total deaths in Iraq since the beginning of the war 5 years ago.

-approx. 33 million people worldwide infected with HIV

-approx. 10.9 million _new_ cancer patients a year; 6.7 million of which die every year

-Divorce rates in the U.S.:
Jews 30%
Born-again Christians 27%
Other Christians 24%
Atheists, Agnostics 21%

-No. of countries at war as of 2008: 59

-approx 210 million orphan children worldwide
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All those numbers and it still boils down to "another" pro-gay propaganda thread. But they will come in handy in a few seconds.

So why is it that I see almost every other thread titled with something to do with homosexuality or "gays"?

It's running nine out of ten isn't it? That's far more than every other.

Do you seriously believe that they're out to get you and destroy what you believe?

Yes.

Or is it that they don't follow your beliefs, that they bother you, and that they're a relatively easy target that's close to home.

"Close to home?" Their IN our Churches with Gay Activism. All must submit to the gay paradigm. Apathy, silence and complacency didn't appease them. Now it's time for staunch opposition.

Given that they want to have the right to get married for the sake of having that title and the tax benefits that come along with it, I don't see the problem.

Obviously we do.

They aren't asking for a christian wedding.

They most assuradly are. Look at how many are harrassing Churches. Go to soulforce dot org for evidence.

You can't pull the "marriage is a sacred thing given to us by god."

We see same-gender marriage forced on an unwilling majority of the populace as crap. Teaching about gay sex in schools is crap.

So far, Christians still have voting rights in this democracy.

You'll need to get rid of the First Amendment to fully silence us.

There is a form of wedding tradition in EVERY culture.

So Gay is a culture. Nothing is more satisfying than to have your positions validated. Especially by your detractors.

What about AAALLL of the people worldwide that will die and supposedly go to hell because they never heard of God because you did not witness to them?

What are Gay Activists doing about all the gays and lesbians starving to death in those populations of people starving to death? Your figures pal.

All I see is Christian organization after Christian organization after Christian organization actually feeding and clothing those poor ALL over the world. many of these "Evangelicals" are being murdered while trying to help these poor people.

Gay activists are screaming at Christians and invading their Churches for gay behaviors to be normalized.

You may want to go read a little letter from James. It's in the New Testament towards the back of it.

Given that 2 people die every second, it looks like you're a little behind.

And I just shattered that canard like a cheap glass tossed on concrete.

YOUR FIGURES once again.

-E

Yeah you.

 

[QuakerOats]

"Close to home?" Their IN our Churches with Gay Activism. All must submit to the gay paradigm. Apathy, silence and complacency didn't appease them. Now it's time for staunch opposition
...

Gay activists are screaming at Christians and invading their Churches for gay behaviors to be normalized.

I can list several churches in my area alone that aren't 'gay-affirming.' Every church has the right to choose for themselves whether they accept and/or approve of homosexuality, and/or same-sex marriage. The fact that some have accepted one, or both does not mean that all must [follow suit].

They most assuradly are. Look at how many are harrassing Churches. Go to soulforce dot org for evidence.

I think we established in another thread that not all GLBTQ approve of the actions of said groups, and that painting with such a broad brush is dishonest.

Crap to you maybe. We see same-gender marriage forced on an unwilling majority of the populace as crap. Teaching about gay sex in schools is crap.

The majority of GLBTQ and their allies are not forcing, or looking to force, a so-called 'unwilling majority of the populace' into accepting same-sex marriage on a personal level. They are, however, looking to have it made legitimate in the [secular] legal system.

So Gay is a culture. Nothing is more satisfying than to have your positions validated. Especially by your detractors.

That's not what he said. You took his comment out of context. He meant that you can't claim that marriage is a purely Christian thing, or with only one meaning, or one way of going about it because non-Christian cultures also have marriage.

Given that they want to have the right to get married for the sake of having that title and the tax benefits that come along with it, I don't see the problem. They aren't asking for a christian wedding. You can't pull the "marriage is a sacred thing given to us by god" crap. There is a form of wedding tradition in EVERY culture.

What are Gay Activists doing about all the gays and lesbians starving to death in those populations of people starving to death? Your figures pal.

I imagine it varies from activist to activist, but I've no doubt that many of them donate to charities, and whatnot, helping folks regardless of their sexual orientation.

All I see is Christian organization after Christian organization after Christian organization actually feeding and clothing those poor ALL over the world. many of these "Evangelicals" are being murdered while trying to help these poor people.

There's a thread discussing non-Christian and/or non-religious charities here.

Not to Christians it doesn't. There are more orphans being helped by Christians than there are GLBT's being opposed in America.

YOUR FIGURES once again.

Where are YOUR figures?

 

[Polycarp_fan]

I can list several churches in my area alone that aren't 'gay-affirming.' Every church has the right to choose for themselves whether they accept and/or approve of homosexuality, and/or same-sex marriage. The fact that some have accepted one, or both does not mean that all must [follow suit].

And I can list those on your list that are targeted for gay indoctrination or protest.

I think we established in another thread that not all GLBTQ approve of the actions of said groups, and that painting with such a broad brush is dishonest.

The Rainbow flag flies is saluted by the entire community. And as long as the "Q" is other people's children, this opposition to gay aims and goals will never end. I can promise you that.

The majority of GLBTQ and their allies are not forcing, or looking to force, a

so-called 'unwilling majority of the populace' into accepting same-sex marriage on a personal level.

Reality says otherwise. The use of the "Q" is proof of that. That "Q" means other people's children taht the GLBT coomunity is targeting too.

They are, however, looking to have it made legitimate in the [secular] legal system.

The mask is off. ALL must submit to gay authoritarianism. You see the unrest because of that fact.

That's not what he said. You took his comment out of context. He meant that you can't claim that marriage is a purely Christian thing, or with only one meaning, or one way of going about it because non-Christian cultures also have marriage.

I have written many times that Christians should have never cared about pagans. They shoud have focused all of their energy in fighting this GLBT force OUT of the Churches and protected their children and Churches from the attacks of Gay Activism. The Prop 8 millions of dollars should have been spent building private schools or getting children OUT of public schools and into private Christian schools. I have spoken to people in California and hawaii about that very thing. Why care about GLBT's? Protect ourselves and our children from them and move on. That is achievable for sure.

I've never cared what non and anti Christians do. Same-gender marriage has no placde in Christian Churches. BUT, that aside, the rights of NON GLBT people to have a safe place for their children NOT to be indoctrianted into gay culture is a demand that will have to be met. We have not heard even a shread of all the anti-gay voices there are in society and in the populace.

I imagine it varies from activist to activist, but I've no doubt that many of them donate to charities, and whatnot, helping folks regardless of their sexual orientation.

There's a thread discussing non-Christian and/or non-religious charities here.

Where are YOUR figures?

You're joking right? Falwell, Robertson are just tiny examples of what Christians are doing around the world for the poor and needy. And they are doing a lot. You see know gay flag charities flooding the African continent with "workers" bringing relief there.

 

[Anglian]

Christians hold that the Bible and the teachings of the Church support the view that active homosexual behaviour is contrary to Gods' law and is therefore sinful.

This position is held by many Christians and contested by a few; whose who take the first position tend to think those who support then second are twisting Scripture to their purpose. All, however, should remember that it is the sin, and not the sinner, which is the object of Christian opposition.

So, we find in the Bible support for the position that homosexual Christians are called to the hard life of celibacy. Naturally, many of those Christians who are gay don't really like to face up to such a hard teaching, and they certainly need our prayers.

The Bible, indeed Christ Himself, tells us
39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.

I know from discussing this with Polycarp fan before that he does not seem to hold that we should take this injunction of Our Lord literally; why then does he expect gay Christians to take literally the verses of the Bible which support his position?

Is there a double standard going on here? We obey Christ's word only when it supports something of which we approve? Gays bad: self-defence OK?

peace,

Anglian

 

[jcook922]

All those numbers and it still boils down to "another" pro-gay propaganda thread. But they will come in handy in a few seconds.



It's running nine out of ten isn't it? That's far more than every other.



Yes.



"Close to home?" Their IN our Churches with Gay Activism. All must submit to the gay paradigm. Apathy, silence and complacency didn't appease them. Now it's time for staunch opposition.



Obviously we do.



They most assuradly are. Look at how many are harrassing Churches. Go to soulforce dot org for evidence.



Crap to you maybe. We see same-gender marriage forced on an unwilling majority of the populace as crap. Teaching about gay sex in schools is crap.

So far, Christians still have voting rights in this democracy.

You'll need to get rid of the First Amendment to fully silence us.



So Gay is a culture. Nothing is more satisfying than to have your positions validated. Especially by your detractors.



What are Gay Activists doing about all the gays and lesbians starving to death in those populations of people starving to death? Your figures pal.

All I see is Christian organization after Christian organization after Christian organization actually feeding and clothing those poor ALL over the world. many of these "Evangelicals" are being murdered while trying to help these poor people.

Gay activists are screaming at Christians and invading their Churches for gay behaviors to be normalized.

You may want to go read a little letter from James. It's in the New Testament towards the back of it.



And I just shattered that canard like a cheap glass tossed on concrete.



Not to Christians it doesn't. There are more orphans being helped by Christians than there are GLBT's being opposed in America.

YOUR FIGURES once again.



Yeah you.

I think where PCF is coming from is a different place than the reality of what gays want. Gays don't have the goal of destroying Christian beliefs, but they aren't going to tolerate bein suppressed by Christians much longer, if at all. What Christians hold against gays are that to them, just being gay is against fundamental Christian beliefs while to gays, Christianity isn't what they don't like, it's all the whining, complaining, self-righteous, closed-minded Christians who can't just live and let live. If Christians let the gays just speak their mind and do whatever it is they do when it comes to rights, that would mean they had the moral high ground if anyone ever came to stomp on Christian rights because they displayed tolerance.

Of course after being the majority for so long, the Evangelicals would rather NOT believe in fairness, because they believe they are in complete control of the nation and don't have to be fair. Any beliefs opposed to them having any chance of growing is seen as a threat because it's different.

So maybe THIS is why they were persecuted in England and had to run away to America? The King wasn't putting up with it?

 

[allhart]

I can list several churches in my area alone that aren't 'gay-affirming.' Every church has the right to choose for themselves whether they accept and/or approve of homosexuality, and/or same-sex marriage. The fact that some have accepted one, or both does not mean that all must [follow suit].


I think we established in another thread that not all GLBTQ approve of the actions of said groups, and that painting with such a broad brush is dishonest.


The majority of GLBTQ and their allies are not forcing, or looking to force, a so-called 'unwilling majority of the populace' into accepting same-sex marriage on a personal level. They are, however, looking to have it made legitimate in the [secular] legal system.

That's not what he said. You took his comment out of context. He meant that you can't claim that marriage is a purely Christian thing, or with only one meaning, or one way of going about it because non-Christian cultures also have marriage.




I imagine it varies from activist to activist, but I've no doubt that many of them donate to charities, and whatnot, helping folks regardless of their sexual orientation.

There's a thread discussing non-Christian and/or non-religious charities here.

Where are YOUR figures?

I don't see how 2% of the American people (Gay People) can dictate to the rest of the population to how marriage should be in our society? and if 98% of the other America's would have protested to the passing on (no measure 8.) As the gay community is. It would have been labeled as a hate crime. We the people spoke twice and they protest. Protest in the streets and Protest in the courts to over turn society wishes. To ram rod your life style down society's throat and it would be just like a liberal judge to over turn the majority of the peoples vote and turn and say they know whats best. The best for who 2% compared to the 98% of the population. You people have issues. You want to tell the people what to do. Just like smokers or fat people. People go to bars ,but turn around and tell the smoker get out Makes no sense....
Overtime you will ware down the people. Just as stated previously you will run your mouths until we can't here nothing else or as you filtrate your selves into prominent positions overtime the 2% of you will have your way.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

I think where PCF is coming from is a different place than the reality of what gays want.

Not so fast. I have written many, many times that I could not care any less than I do about GLBT's and their sexual proclivities. "I" am not one of the Evangelicals standing against the homosexual lifestyle for homosexuals. It's when they demand that we celebrate their perversions that I stand my ground.

Gays don't have the goal of destroying Christian beliefs,

The evidence speaks against your assertion. A Gay Christianity is not the Church of the Apostles. It is not the Gospel either. It is something foreign and wrong.

. . . but they aren't going to tolerate bein suppressed by Christians much longer, if at all.

It's not "just" Christians that oppose gays and their desires for society. It's just that Christians are in the sights of secularists driving the media.

What Christians hold against gays are that to them, just being gay is against fundamental Christian beliefs while to gays, Christianity isn't what they don't like, it's all the whining, complaining, self-righteous, closed-minded Christians who can't just live and let live.

Wrong. It is the open-minded Christian that show that gay sex and gay culture is antithetical to Christian truth ,that has the GLBT's all up in arms. "Fundamental beliefs" is not an epithet or sign of ignorance, but a sign of truth and honesty.

Find me one scripture that promotes OR celebrates gay culture. Go to www.biblegateway.com and use any number of different versoins of the Bible and get back to me. You seem a bright fellow.

If Christians let the gays just speak their mind and do whatever it is they do when it comes to rights, that would mean they had the moral high ground if anyone ever came to stomp on Christian rights because they displayed tolerance.

No way. With gay activism comes gay sex acts being pamphleted in our schools and celebrated to OUR children BY homosexual activists. I have psoted the actual happenings.

That one is off the table J. You referee gay activism out of the schools, no rainbow clubs and no pink triangles and no gay "clubs," and that's the place to start the negotiations. If you want the same thing for Christian clubs, I'll have the treaty signed by morning. If you want debauchery, find it off school grounds. God is big enough to play by the same rules.

Care a go at that?

Of course after being the majority for so long, the Evangelicals would rather NOT believe in fairness, because they believe they are in complete control of the nation and don't have to be fair.

Wrong again, Evangelicals ALL come from the peoples and places they now oppose, or do not support any longer. If anyone knows the debauchery growing in our society, it is those that used to eat it.

Any beliefs opposed to them having any chance of growing is seen as a threat because it's different.

It is seen as immorality sickening OUR children. There are planty of facts to prove the Evangelicals absoluetly and fundamentally correct.

So maybe THIS is why they were persecuted in England and had to run away to America? The King wasn't putting up with it?

Taxes and injustice towards hard working families and their children.

See why so many Evangelicals are conservatives and vote GOP?

I'm all ears for your next treatment of what Christians believe.

 

[QuakerOats]

I don't see how 2% of the American people (Gay People) can dictate to the rest of the population to how marriage should be in our society?

It's a civil rights issue. America is set up as such so that the rights of minorities are, or should be, protected. If you don't like that system, don't blame the GLBTQ people and their allies. All they want to do is have the right to marry the person they love-to have it recognized by secular law, law which is not to be dictated by religious beliefs, as per the First Amendment. I believe it was Jesus who was supposed to have said, 'Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.' The churches, synagogues, mosques, and temples are free to have their marriages, and discriminate as God sees fit, as they 'belong to God,' as it were, but civil marriage belongs to Caesar (just as other government institutions do, like public schools, for instance).

 

[allhart]

That one is off the table J. You referee gay activism out of the schools, no rainbow clubs and no pink triangles and no gay "clubs," and that's the place to start the negotiations. If you want the same thing for Christian clubs, I'll have the treaty signed by morning. If you want debauchery, find it off school grounds. God is big enough to play by the same rules.

You won't stop there because Christian model their lives to the likeness of Christ also You remind what a teenager does to there parents in rebellion. You will make us miserable no matter the issue/ case. It won't stop at that door before you open another. What else don't you like about us Christians and disliking us is to easy. Its God you hate as Jesus said the lost hated him first.

 

[aotn]

*Sigh*

 

[Polycarp_fan]

That one is off the table J. You referee gay activism out of the schools, no rainbow clubs and no pink triangles and no gay "clubs," and that's the place to start the negotiations. If you want the same thing for Christian clubs, I'll have the treaty signed by morning. If you want debauchery, find it off school grounds. God is big enough to play by the same rules.

You won't stop there because Christians model their lives to the likeness of Christ. Also You remind what a teenager does to there parents in rebellion. You will make us miserable no matter the issue/ case. It won't stop at that door before you open another. What else don't you like about us Christians; and disliking us is to easy. Its God you hate as Jesus said the lost hated him first.

Are you saying that "I" am a gay activist?:o

I'm gonna hurt myself laughing. Now, I have been charged with being a self-loathing, closeted gay guy in typical gay-debate tactics, but I think this is a first, IF, you are coming at me like I'm promoting anything gay in the schools systems. (Maybe the lack of quote tags is responsible for the confusion.)

Trust me, I am not supportive of anything gay activism related. Nada, for the 52% of hispanics that voted Yes on 8.

 

[morningstar2651]

U.S. population as of 2007: 301,621,157

approx. 74.3% of the U.S. population claims to be christian

approx. 4.6%(over 13 million) of the U.S. population claims to be a homosexual

assuming that these two are mutually exclusive(which they are apparently not, as I have seen recently on this forum but, we will say they are for this) we know that there is another whole 21.1% of the population that is "unsaved"

----------------------------

-There were 11,252,828 counts of violent crimesin the U.S. in 2007 including everything from theft, assault, rape, murder, and burglary
(not including drug, alcohol, or vehicle related crimes)

-There are 3.5 million homeless people in the U.S.(1.35 million of which are children) at any given point in the year.

-852 million(13%) people world wide (almost 3x the U.S. population) are starving right now.

-4,162 U.S. troops and 1,033,112 total deaths in Iraq since the beginning of the war 5 years ago.

-approx. 33 million people worldwide infected with HIV

-approx. 10.9 million _new_ cancer patients a year; 6.7 million of which die every year

-Divorce rates in the U.S.:
Jews 30%
Born-again Christians 27%
Other Christians 24%
Atheists, Agnostics 21%

-No. of countries at war as of 2008: 59

-approx 210 million orphan children worldwide
---------------------
So why is it that I see almost every other thread titled with something to do with homosexuality or "gays"?

Do you seriously believe that they're out to get you and destroy what you believe?

Or is it that they don't follow your beliefs, that they bother you, and that they're a relatively easy target that's close to home.

Given that they want to have the right to get married for the sake of having that title and the tax benefits that come along with it, I don't see the problem. They aren't asking for a christian wedding. You can't pull the "marriage is a sacred thing given to us by god" crap. There is a form of wedding tradition in EVERY culture.

What about AAALLL of the people worldwide that will die and supposedly go to hell because they never heard of God because you did not witness to them? Given that 2 people die every second, it looks like you're a little behind.

It would appear that God would rather shame gays before giving an orphan a home, in fact, it looks like he'll likely send both to hell.

-E

People like to feel like they did something good, but they don't like thinking about uncomfortable things or actually doing something that might leave them worse off...in other words -- it's easy to criticize our neighbors as long as we don't have to improve ourselves.

Ever read Anton LeVay? He talks about good-guy badges. They're like a boy-scout's merit badges.

Man is a selfish creature. Everything in life is a selfish act. Man is not concerned with helping others, yet he wants others to believe he is! [...] The first rule of the prideful is to make an exhibition of piety and charity, with a Goodguy Badge to pin to his lapel.

The easiest way to earn a good-guy badge is to create a bad guy and oppose them. Hence the gays are the "bad guys" and those that oppose them are the "good guys" simply because they oppose their "bad guys".

 

[allhart]

It's a civil rights issue. America is set up as such so that the rights of minorities are, or should be, protected. If you don't like that system, don't blame the GLBTQ people and their allies. All they want to do is have the right to marry the person they love-to have it recognized by secular law, law which is not to be dictated by religious beliefs, as per the First Amendment. I believe it was Jesus who was supposed to have said, 'Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.' The churches, synagogues, mosques, and temples are free to have their marriages, and discriminate as God sees fit, as they 'belong to God,' as it were, but civil marriage belongs to Caesar (just as other government institutions do, like public schools, for instance).

Civil unions can overflow into other unnatural behaviors. Which is going to open a black hole that can never be filed. As I and many others have stated before your agenda's have more ramifications than you intent most likely or you don't care. Just proves even more. Right's issues of this sort run into our schools of teaching, also to say that animal lover's will want to jump on the band wagon and will have to teach that as well.
Right issues! Who gets them and who don't? You sacrifice mine to uphold yours. We have liberty in which is limited by law regulating behavior for we can't legislate morality. You don't think the family is important to uphold in above our own Rights for the good of the people. The role which has seen our reproduction of mankind for over 5000 years? People have been having sex outside of marriage just as long. You think that this brakes your will to do other than what you want. Well I don't. If it ain't broken why fix it. I hold to the fact that marriage is sacred in a covenant between three persons God, man and woman. Even to say that it is a contract in a secular view point between man and women even though they use the vows under God.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Civil unions can overflow into other unnatural behaviors. Which is going to open a black hole that can never be filed.

Nver be filed? You said it sister.

As I and many others have stated before your agenda's have more ramifications than you intent most likely or you don't care. Just proves even more. Right's issues of this sort run into our schools of teaching, also to say that animal lover's will want to jump on the band wagon and will have to teach that as well.

PREACH IT! PREACHER!

Can I get an amen from that guy in the back? (Go get that guy and bring him up here.)

Right issues! Who gets them and who don't? You sacrifice mine to uphold yours. We have liberty in which is limited by law regulating behavior for we can't legislate morality.

Preacher? Wazzzat?

You don't think the family is important to uphold in above our own Rights for the good of the people. The role which has seen our reproduction of mankind for over 5000 years?

"Seeing" the reproduction of mankind is porn. What are preaching Preacher?

People have been having sex outside of marriage just as long. You think that this brakes your will to do other than what you want. Well I don't. If it ain't broken why fix it.

A piston for a cylinder, a cylinder for piston eh Preacher!

Harumpf! TELL IT LIKE IT IS!!! Let the truth be proclaimed no matter the cost!

I hold to the fact that marriage is sacred in a covenant between three persons God, man and woman.

WHAHHHH? Oh wait. Ok. That is in the Bible.

Even to say that it is a contract in a secular view point between man and women even though they use the vows under God.

Secular "under God?"

What page is that on? Fikuh, fikuh, fikhuh, fikhuh, fikhuh . . .

I'm just not finding that in my Bible.

Fikhuh, fikhuh, fikhuh.

Nope.

 

[morningstar2651]

Civil unions can overflow into other unnatural behaviors. Which is going to open a black hole that can never be filed. As I and many others have stated before your agenda's have more ramifications than you intent most likely or you don't care. Just proves even more. Right's issues of this sort run into our schools of teaching, also to say that animal lover's will want to jump on the band wagon and will have to teach that as well.
Right issues! Who gets them and who don't? You sacrifice mine to uphold yours. We have liberty in which is limited by law regulating behavior for we can't legislate morality. You don't think the family is important to uphold in above our own Rights for the good of the people. The role which has seen our reproduction of mankind for over 5000 years? People have been having sex outside of marriage just as long. You think that this brakes your will to do other than what you want. Well I don't. If it ain't broken why fix it. I hold to the fact that marriage is sacred in a covenant between three persons God, man and woman. Even to say that it is a contract in a secular view point between man and women even though they use the vows under God.

Going back to the OP...

What have you done to help the poor?
What have you done to help the homeless?
What have you done to reduce violent crime?
What have you done to cure cancer?
What have you done to cure AIDS?
What have you done to give homes to orphans?
What have you done to reduce the number of wars?

Why should anyone care what you oppose if you don't do something to help these people?

See also:
Matthew 25:34-40

 

[Axioma]

I'm trying very hard not to call people who compare homosexuality to bestiality names. The sort of names that make moderators unhappy.

Listen, you...person, the difference between letting gays marry and letting people marry animals is that GAY PEOPLE ARE *PEOPLE*, AND AS SUCH ARE CAPABLE OF SIGNING LEGALLY BINDING DOCUMENTS. The reason you can't get a dog to marry you is the same reason why you can't get a dog to open a bank account or vote!

And again, allhart, YOU DON'T HAVE TO MARRY ANYONE YOU DON'T HAVE TO. Seriously, just because gay marriage gets legalized doesn't mean you're obligated to get one.

 

[allhart]

Nver be filed? You said it sister.



PREACH IT! PREACHER!

Can I get an amen from that guy in the back? (Go get that guy and bring him up here.)



Preacher? Wazzzat?



"Seeing" the reproduction of mankind is porn. What are preaching Preacher?



A piston for a cylinder, a cylinder for piston eh Preacher!

Harumpf! TELL IT LIKE IT IS!!! Let the truth be proclaimed no matter the cost!



WHAHHHH? Oh wait. Ok. That is in the Bible.



Secular "under God?"

What page is that on? Fikuh, fikuh, fikhuh, fikhuh, fikhuh . . .

I'm just not finding that in my Bible.

Fikhuh, fikhuh, fikhuh.

Nope.

You are always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth.Just like my sons say what ever. You can strive to what ever means of knowledge you want to attain ,but that doesn.t mean its the truth.
Warning Against False Teachers


3 As I urged you when I was going to Macedonia, remain at Ephesus so that you may charge certain persons not to teach any different doctrine, 4nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the stewardship from God that is by faith. 5The aim of our charge is love that issues from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 6Certain persons, by swerving from these, have wandered away into vain discussion, 7desiring to be teachers of the law, without understanding either what they are saying or the things about which they make confident assertions.
8Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, 9understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, 10the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, 11in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted
Your discerning to truth is ill

 

[Bobfr]

You are quoting a strange translation of the Bible, honnestly

 

[allhart]

You are quoting a strange translation of the Bible, honnestly
The word « homosexual » doesn't even exist at that time.

How about perverts. Read 1 Timothy in false teachers