Gay Bashing? Romney in H.S.

[docpotter]

I forgive you William , and will pray for you man. The threads make people combative. I know I too am quite guilty of being petty at times. Its hard to not get offended on here , and to take offense at times.

Great post William , we all need to work together more AS believers

 

[Lovely Lane]

That is not a terrible reason to vote democrat. They do support social services more. But in all fairness, a republican president, and a republican house /senate , is never going to do away with aid needed for the people who need it. Never.

Maybe historically that is true, however, republicans have made threats in privatization of SS and other programs I believe. That to me is no good.

Some people need assistance, period. Some milk the system all of they're lives, and teach the next generation this is how to live. I think , as many conservatives ,that people should take drug tests to be on welfare. I have to take a drug test to keep my job. This is a common sense idea.

drug testing, mandated work/volunteer programs, are some of the requirements already in some States,(if not all). I remember that in Georgia and as in Ohio I believe that those who receive benefits have responsibilities in taking drug test and required to work, even if it's cleaning streets.

I am personally 100 % for assistance to the people that need it. But again, this is a Christan teaching. No one cared for the poor before Jesus was on this earth. So as Christians we should be as charitable as possible. But when a government banks on needing to keep people poor, so that the gov't can remain big, then we have an issue.

They didn't live in a constitutional republic did they. Rome could care less for the poor and hungry as I remember. And centuries afterwards made little improvement in taking care of the disabled, poor, homeless.
Mankind has evolved since first century, a social evolution which I think really kicked off during the enlightenment period (age of reason). There are to many variables to discuss now to see how we became what we are today. Definitely the Calvinist Protestant Work Ethic was a strong contributor that helped shape USA to be able to care for those in need.

The bible teaches about the ants and the sluggards, and harvesting so you can eat. Granted there are some very poor and disabled people out there, but there are many that simply do not want to work. Do you agree lovely

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Go to the ant, you sluggard; consider its ways and be wise!
This is a good lesson. For we can learn much from the ant. Work ethic for one as you mentioned, but also how it takes care of it's own, method of communication, defense and housing, to name a few. But I remember the ant is a mean one, they attack other nests and capture slaves to do their work.
So, yes, the basic notion of the Proverb is fine, work together for the common good of all, a communal form of living and survival. But I wouldn't want to capture slaves to do my work. But maybe the proverb was for the sluggard to capture a slave to do his work, they did that back in the day, didn't they?

 

[Lovely Lane]

The Baptists will do them for ya. Click Here. The Baptist are doing it.

That really puts a spin on the name of that Baptist church, "New Hope Baptist Church".

 

[Lovely Lane]

I'll answer the question about his bullying after you answer the question about Obama's bullying.

Forget it, I lost interest.

 

[Lovely Lane]

He sure doesn't sound like a Christian or a Baptist for that matter. But oddly enough, he ain't saying anything any crazier than what liberals on here push.

The same folks who are offput by his statement don't have a problem with murdering nearly 60 million babies in the womb.

Like who?

 

[Lovely Lane]

I doubt it but it sure seems so. Many come on here with the same rhetoric, just toned down to avoid a ban but we all know what's going on. We're all grown. We live in the real world. We know whats being said. Making hollow claims like, "We love gay people, we just think is wrong and here's levitcus and...". Never once making mention of any other capital crimes listed in the bible. Applying law with all they posses but REFUSE to truly love one another as themselves.

I don't see any threads on here asking to ban divorce. I don't see any comments on condemning non-virgins and fighting to prevent them from getting married. Why? It's in the same bible. Isn't it just as much an abomination as many say homosexuality is? But we all know the answer to that don't we. We refuse to ban the things we are guilty of. We refuse to acknowledge our sinful nature and our sinful lives and we attempt to hide it by screaming and yelling at gay people and worst of all, each other.

This is why people don't take Christians seriously. Including me. Say one thing and do another. Stand up for one biblical principle while themselves, violating all the rest. And all for what? Just to hurt someone else because you don't agree? Because that's all thats happening. That's all that thats being accomplished. Noone is being lead to Christ with this "law" talk. People who don't know God, don't come to Christ because they feel convicted. They CANT be convicted. The carnal mind CAN NOT obey God. The carnal mind CAN NOT understand Gods law. People are getting hurt and you know who they blame? God. And God didn't tell us to do any of these hateful things. Attacking gay people no matter how tough or gentle, is NOT preaching the gospel. That has nothing to do with the gospel. "He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone.". Must be a lot of sinless people here because stones are getting thrown like there's no tomorrow.

And through our selfish, hateful ideologies God loses souls because people continue to be pushed away from God. They look for other sources that offer love and understanding, since we as Christians won't offer it unless, X, Y and Z criteria are met. Honestly, I'm ready to walk away too. Im so often, ashamed to tell someone im a Christian. Not because of Christ but because of Christians. Because its horrible what people are doing to each other. And if this is who God really is, why bother? The only thing that keeps me going, is that I know this is not God. It's the devil, using Christians to push people away from God and divide the Body in the process. The devil is winning and it's not because of gay marriage. It's because those of us who claim to love Christ, fail to act Christ-like.

My apologies to any and all I have offended through the duration of these threads. I've been immature and petty in many cases. I ask your forgiveness and prayers for me to be more Christ-like toward all. God Bless!

good honest post, I too have those same feelings. Thanks for the insight.

 

[docpotter]

Maybe historically that is true, however, republicans have made threats in privatization of SS and other programs I believe. That to me is no good.

drug testing, mandated work/volunteer programs, are some of the requirements already in some States,(if not all). I remember that in Georgia and as in Ohio I believe that those who receive benefits have responsibilities in taking drug test and required to work, even if it's cleaning streets.
They didn't live in a constitutional republic did they. Rome could care less for the poor and hungry as I remember. And centuries afterwards made little improvement in taking care of the disabled, poor, homeless.
Mankind has evolved since first century, a social evolution which I think really kicked off during the enlightenment period (age of reason). There are to many variables to discuss now to see how we became what we are today. Definitely the Calvinist Protestant Work Ethic was a strong contributor that helped shape USA to be able to care for those in need.

Go to the ant, you sluggard; consider its ways and be wise!
This is a good lesson. For we can learn much from the ant. Work ethic for one as you mentioned, but also how it takes care of it's own, method of communication, defense and housing, to name a few. But I remember the ant is a mean one, they attack other nests and capture slaves to do their work.
So, yes, the basic notion of the Proverb is fine, work together for the common good of all, a communal form of living and survival. But I wouldn't want to capture slaves to do my work. But maybe the proverb was for the sluggard to capture a slave to do his work, they did that back in the day, didn't they?[/quote]
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The basic notion of the Proverb is not for us to " decide " if its fine Lovely. We trust ALL of Gods word, or we do not.

I think you miss the teaching in this proverb though. It is not promoting " communal living " it is saying WORK , and do not be a lazy slug , or you will be poor .

Ya see. I really would like to have a nice discussion but why so much liberal spin ALL THE TIME ??? Come on lovely ...

You are blasting the word of God to promote a liberal way of life, that is truly truly truly sad, I'm sorry it is .

 

[Zaac]

Like who?

Throw the names of a liberals on this board up in the air and catch one.

 

[WinBySurrender]

He sure doesn't sound like a Christian or a Baptist for that matter. But oddly enough, he ain't saying anything any crazier than what liberals on here push.

The same folks who are offput by his statement don't have a problem with murdering nearly 60 million babies in the womb.

You mean the Socialists on here? If they were simply liberals, I could live with 'em. But they ain't, and I can't.

 

[Lovely Lane]

He sure doesn't sound like a Christian or a Baptist for that matter. But oddly enough, he ain't saying anything any crazier than what liberals on here push.

The same folks who are offput by his statement don't have a problem with murdering nearly 60 million babies in the womb.

Throw the names of a liberals on this board up in the air and catch one.

I'm serious, name one member who sponsors/supports what you claim!

I'm sick and tired of your speech placing blame of abortion on those without a shred of evidence. Either man up and show proof or apologize and shut up.

 

[Lovely Lane]

You mean the Socialists on here? If they were simply liberals, I could live with 'em. But they ain't, and I can't.

I have the same feelings for Vassals. Maybe we can put them in a pen somewhere and airdrop some rations.

 

[Lovely Lane]

Go to the ant, you sluggard; consider its ways and be wise!

The basic notion of the Proverb is not for us to " decide " if its fine Lovely. We trust ALL of Gods word, or we do not.

Please explain further, being brief isn't communicating your message very well here.

I think you miss the teaching in this proverb though. It is not promoting " communal living " it is saying WORK , and do not be a lazy slug , or you will be poor .

I thought it was simple enough, and yes I recognized it was of work and some other attributes of the Ant. Did I not list what I clearly saw?

Ya see. I really would like to have a nice discussion but why so much liberal spin ALL THE TIME ??? Come on lovely ...

Seriously, I didn't put any spin on my answer. That is what I saw of what I had read and conveyed to you. Seems I shouldn't use knowledge of the Ant in comparison to days of OT. Is that what you are saying?

You are blasting the word of God to promote a liberal way of life, that is truly truly truly sad, I'm sorry it is .

No, now that's an over the top remark to make. You judge me for seeing something you did not or refuse to acknowledged. So, please tell me about the Ant, and where did I err?

 

[docpotter]

Please explain further, being brief isn't communicating your message very well here.



I thought it was simple enough, and yes I recognized it was of work and some other attributes of the Ant. Did I not list what I clearly saw?

Seriously, I didn't put any spin on my answer. That is what I saw of what I had read and conveyed to you. Seems I shouldn't use knowledge of the Ant in comparison to days of OT. Is that what you are saying?

No, now that's an over the top remark to make. You judge me for seeing something you did not or refuse to acknowledged. So, please tell me about the Ant, and where did I err?

I did tell you. Its a simple proverb. An ant works hard. Gets up early, day in and day out , and works. This is a repeated theme of King Solomon's. The sluggard is lazy and becomes poor, the ant always has food because it works hard. He is telling us to work and have stuff, or be a slug and go poor. There is no way to pervert that. Sorry.

Granted, some have serious issues and cannot work, and truly need assistance. That will always be there, period, everyone knows that. In fact , a booming economy would maintain said " safety nets " a lot longer.

When a society wants handouts as opposed to actually working the whole society collapses. Its common biblical sense versus everybody gets a " C + " no matter what ..

 

[Lovely Lane]

When a society wants handouts as opposed to actually working the whole society collapses. Its common biblical sense versus everybody gets a " C + " no matter what ..

So, you are saying a whole society wants handouts. That doesn't make any sense, does it?

I don't believe that you know what it takes to qualify for benefits nor how many receive benefits. Google it to find qualifications, just bet you would be surprised to see that means test are required, drug test, work program, etc. And the stats on food, housing and shelter (as the Ant), just bet a whole society isn't on the dole.

Plus, we learn about these in Proverbs.

1. A proud look.
2. A lying tongue.
3. Hands that shed innocent blood.
4. A heart that devises wicked plots.
5. Feet that are swift to run into mischief.
6. A deceitful witness that uttereth lies.
7. Him that soweth discord among brethren.

 

[jcfamilylife]

Aww I love you guys!

 

[Lovely Lane]

hey doc, have you seen this?

Most able-bodied people between the ages of 18 and 60 must register for work to qualify for SNAP. Many people may be required to participate in an employment or training program. Some college students also may be eligible.

Social Security Publications

SNAP is food stamps in case you didn't know that.

 

[Lovely Lane]

http://jfs.ohio.gov/factsheets/owf.pdf

Failure to sign the self-sufficiency contract without good cause can result in denial or termination of benefits which
would affect the entire family. The contract explains the requirements for the participant, the requirements for the
county department of job and family services and, if applicable, the requirements for the child support enforcement
agency and/or public children services agency.

 

[Common Sense]

I read about Jonah and it seems his freedom of choice was over ruled. The Jews were blinded and most didn't accept Christ, choice was over ruled. I can't see God wanting us to accept sin or embrace sin, rather to hate sin. Christ never advocated sin.

 

[DrBubbaLove]

Welfare - it is what "taxes are paying for" - "who would want to work in America?" Says it all.
And the people that believe it do not realize they are enslaved by the people putting those policies in force, the same people they gush over voting for.

California Welfare Recipient Video

 

[Lovely Lane]

Welfare - it is what "taxes are paying for" - "who would want to work in America?" Says it all.
And the people that believe it do not realize they are enslaved by the people putting those policies in force, the same people they gush over voting for.

you're so funny, sounds like we got millions of millionaires in line receiving those big monthly pay-outs from uncle sam.

oops, I guess we do...corporate subsidies and bailouts.