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Is it absurd to believe Gods word?
Hi Jerry. You think in lists, so I will organize my thoughts that ways as I feel it will be helpful to you.openheart,
1. First of all, I believe in the gap between Genesis 1-2.
The reason being is to account for the Luciferian kingdom and his fall and rebellion.
Hi Jerry. You think in lists, so I will organize my thoughts that ways as I feel it will be helpful to you.
1. Are you saying that God created mankind in Genesis 1, that mankind became extinct in some other story that is not told in the Bible but which I invite you to tell me about (the Luciferian kingdom), and then mankind was created a second time with Adam in Genesis 2? Or have I misunderstood you? Please feel free to address this entire point on it's on post if it gets too long, as I really hate posts that are 15 points long.
2. All truth is God's truth. That means that Scientific truth is God's truth. You cannot run away from what science discovers forever. Ultimately you are going to have to find a way to find a harmony between the evidence God has left for our minds to discover and try to understand, and the Bible, which he has also given to us to understand on many different levels.
3. BTW, Science pegs the universe at being 13 billion years old, not 380. You should learn that so that you don't appear to be ignorant. People will take you a lot more seriously when you get your facts straight. You should also be familiar with the following: according to science, the earth was formed about 4.6 billion years ago, life began on earth about 3.8 billion years ago, modern man has been around for only around 200,000 years. YOu don't have to believe it. Just be educated what science teaches. Just like you should be familiar with what the TOE is and its evidences are before you actually reject it.
It wasn't I that said 380 billion. I was simply remarking that the correct number is 13 billion.openheart,
1. Were you not the one that said 380 billion years? It wasn’t me.
I just responded to that figure of whether or not there was a scripture to that or not.
Obviously, we know there is not concerning 380 or 13 billion. That is not to say that science is right or wrong.
But this doesn't answer my question, which was, Is Adam in Genesis 2 a separate creation of mankind from the mankind created on the sixth day? Because Adam was created from the dust of the earth, if you read the story literally (I don't, btw), which means he was not descended from any previous human beings.2. Genesis 1:1 is the original creation for sure.
Genesis 1:2; the earth is without form and void. This is representative of Judgement to the fullest extent of the demise of life.
Noah’s flood was never said to be without form or void.
Jeremiah 4:23 says without form and void which is the same as in Genesis 1:2.
My context is simply that God created the natural world, and the natural world contains all sorts of clues about itself, including evidence about its origins. Science is merely the tool that uses observation and experimentation to uncover and piece together those clues and evidences. The thing with science is that it uses evidence only found within nature; it does not use philosophy, religion, etc.3. All truth is God’s truth depends on your context.
To say science truth is God’s truth in a blanket statement and that vernacular is an opinion and conjecture.
I don't see where Ezekiel 28:15-19 talks about Satan. It seems to be talking about an earthly King.5. The Luciferian Kingdom is found in Ezekiel 28:15-19.
Thee sanctuaries he defiled are translated goy or gentiles.
Some say they were the angels Lucifer corrupted.
Either way, we are not told any other history about them.
The point is Lucifer was full of pride but also had rulership probation and he failed.
It wasn't I that said 380 billion. I was simply remarking that the correct number is 13 billion.
But this doesn't answer my question, which was, Is Adam in Genesis 2 a separate creation of mankind from the mankind created on the sixth day? Because Adam was created from the dust of the earth, if you read the story literally (I don't, btw), which means he was not descended from any previous human beings.
My context is simply that God created the natural world, and the natural world contains all sorts of clues about itself, including evidence about its origins. Science is merely the tool that uses observation and experimentation to uncover and piece together those clues and evidences. The thing with science is that it uses evidence only found within nature; it does not use philosophy, religion, etc.
I don't see where Ezekiel 28:15-19 talks about Satan. It seems to be talking about an earthly King.
But as I said, I didn't ask you about it to argue with you, only to understand where you are coming from. So did this Luciferian Kingdom exist Between Genesis 1 and 2? Or have I misunderstood you?
Your turn
Sounds like the same thing to me. The Big Bang describes the first moment when God created the universe from nothing. The formation of the earth came much, much later. Etc.2. God created the original Heaven and Earth out of things that were not in existence. Hebrews 11:4.
So what was a Big Bang?
That is certainly not in scripture. Heaven and hell are not in the space time universe that you and I live in, but are in another realm altogether.Hell is in the deepest parts of this earth.
It is absurd to lower God's word to your own level
Sounds like the same thing to me. The Big Bang describes the first moment when God created the universe from nothing. The formation of the earth came much, much later. Etc.
That is certainly not in scripture. Heaven and hell are not in the space time universe that you and I live in, but are in another realm altogether.
My level is to believe what it says.
How absurd is that?
It doesn't say any of this. It is an extremely forced interpretation.
The bible does not say that God created in 6 days! Where does it say that God did not create in 6 days?
The bible does not say that God created in 6 days! Where does it say that God did not create in 6 days?
I agree, it states clearly that there were 6 command days... what Genesis does not indicate or set is a time on the processes enacted by his fiat.
It describes six days and uses night and day to drive the narrative. It is handled very well.
God realized that if any more detail was added to the description it would create a thousand more Christians denominations all condemning each other to Hell for not getting it right. Fortunately we only have a few groups of crazy.
Yep! Exodus 20:11. God bless you for your faith!That there is the repetition of evening and morning the numbered day clearly indicates that these periods were of 24 hours. This is confirmed by the 10 comamdments.
That there is the repetition of evening and morning the numbered day clearly indicates that these periods were of 24 hours. This is confirmed by the 10 comamdments.
This is true only if one is reading into the passage something that is not there, in order to make it fit a previously concieved idea.The distinction is also that the fiats were mediate not immediate.
This is true only if one is reading into the passage something that is not there, in order to make it fit a previously concieved idea.
Doing this is bad exogieses.
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