Gabriel, in Daniel 8, in Daniel 9, what vision, what transgression in Daniel 9:23-24?

[jgr]

In Daniel 9, Daniel does not see a picture, no vision. He receives words from Gabriel.

The vision Gabriel was referring to - is the vision that Daniel had of the little horn, and the transgression of desolation the little horn will commit at the time of the end.

No one else on the planet.

Past or present.

Not one.

 

[Douggg]

No one else on the planet.

Past or present.

Not one.

I have never heard anyone else address parts of Daniel 9 like I have - agreed. And also parts of Matthew 24. And also the timing of the Rapture. And also the explanation of the heads/horns/crowns in Revelation 17/12/13. And also that it is Jesus Himself speaking in Ezekiel 39:21-29.

And my charts are unique. The transgression of desolation of Daniel 8:12-13 is adjacent to the rider on the red horse.

 

[BABerean2]

The 490 years will be complete when Jesus Returns.

Can you show us your claim above in the Bible?


What do you think Paul was talking about in the verse below?

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.


When was the Gospel taken "first" to the Jews? Is it found in Matthew 10:5-7?
How long was the time period when the Gospel was taken "first" to the Jews?


Is the period of time when the Gospel was taken "first" to the Jews on your chart?


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[mkgal1]

I have never heard anyone else address parts of Daniel 9 like I have - agreed. And also parts of Matthew 24. And also the timing of the Rapture. And also the explanation of the heads/horns/crowns in Revelation 17/12/13. And also that it is Jesus Himself speaking in Ezekiel 39:21-29.

And my charts are unique. The transgression of desolation of Daniel 8:12-13 is adjacent to the rider on the red horse.

Doesn't that cause you to pause? Wouldn't that mean it's forging a new religion, if a person can't find any agreement?

Throughout the Bible, the importance of two or more being in agreement is mentioned. God doesn't give private revelation. What He reveals is for His Church, as a Body.

 

[mkgal1]

I just noticed something.....there IS a prince named in Daniel 10:

Daniel 10:21
But first I will tell you what is inscribed in the Book of Truth. Yet no one has the courage to support me against these, except Michael your prince.
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.....mentioned again:

Daniel 12:1
At that time Michael, the great prince who stands watch over your people, will rise up.
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......and again:

Revelation 12:7
Then a war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back​

 

[Douggg]

Can you show us your claim above in the Bible?

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

"prophecy" is sealed up in Daniel 9:24 in the seventy weeks, completed.

In Matthew 24:33, which is prophecy, the "it" is Jesus's return.

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

The 70 weeks end with Jesus's return.

 

[mkgal1]

and to seal up the vision and prophecy"

Jesus gave many prophecies in new testament, including the events right before His Return. The 490 years will be complete when Jesus Returns

As BABerean2's post explains, "to seal up" isn't being used to refer to Daniel's words as the last words of prophecy.

These 490 years were determined in order to complete the fulfillment of prophecy given to Daniel's people and regarding Daniel's city (ancient Jerusalem). There was a "time of the end" determined.

The disciples seemed to relate the destruction of the Temple to the great tribulation Jeremiah spoke of (Jeremiah 30:4-7) because Jesus said this in His answer to them:

Matthew 24:21
For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.
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......when is "then"? Luke's parallel passage is the most clear:

Luke 21:20-22
"But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near. "Then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those who are in the midst of the city must leave, and those who are in the country must not enter the city; because these are days of vengeance, so that all things which are written will be fulfilled.​

 

[Douggg]

Doesn't that cause you to pause? Wouldn't that mean it's forging a new religion, if a person can't find any agreement?

Throughout the Bible, the importance of two or more being in agreement is mentioned. God doesn't give private revelation. What He reveals is for His Church, as a Body.

The only concern I have is that there is so much wrong teaching and understanding out there regarding eschatology. And the apathy.

 

[Douggg]

These 490 years were determined in order to complete the fulfillment of prophecy given to Daniel's people and regarding Daniel's city (ancient Jerusalem). There was a "time of the end" determined.

The Jews, Jerusalem haved yet to say - blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.

Matthew 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

 

[mkgal1]

The Jews, Jerusalem haved yet to say - blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.

Matthew 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

We wouldn't be here writing on a forum that honors Jesus as God, if the faithful remnant from the 12 tribes hadn't recognized their Messiah. Only the faithful were "Daniel's people" and children of Abraham:

Galatians 3:7 ~ Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham.​

 

[mkgal1]

The Jews, Jerusalem haved yet to say - blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.

Matthew 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Building an entire doctrine out of only one verse will lead a person in the wrong direction.

This verse is words from Jesus, spoken directly to the apostate religious leaders. He's actually signaling His presence (God's presence) departing from them. He didn’t see them again.

38Look, your house is left to you desolate.​

Woes to Pharisees and Scribes:
"Matthew 23 BSB" Matthew 23 BSB

 

[Douggg]

Building an entire doctrine out of only one verse will lead a person in the wrong direction.

This verse is words from Jesus, spoken directly to the apostate religious leaders. He's actually signaling His presence (God's presence) departing from them. He didn’t see them again.

Woes to Pharisees and Scribes:
"Matthew 23 BSB" Matthew 23 BSB

...Jerusalem rejected Jesus as it's King. And later rejected the gospel of Salvation which puts an end to sin's power to eternally destroy.

For the 70 weeks to be complete, the Jews have to embrace Jesus and the gospel of Salvation (which makes an end to sin's power to eternally destroy). Has not happened yet.

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

 

[mkgal1]

Jerusalem rejected Jesus as it's King

Jesus didn't want to be King of earthly Jerusalem. It was empty of God's presence (that's what it means that "your house is left desolate"). Eathly Jerusalem was made a harlot....an idolatrous city.

However....Jesus's faithful followers from the 12 tribes didn't reject Him. They made Him their King of the unshakable Kingdom.

Hebrews 12:28
Therefore, since we are receiving an unshakable kingdom, let us be filled with gratitude, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe.​

 

[Douggg]

Jesus didn't want to be King of earthly Jerusalem. It was empty of God's presence (that's what it means that "your house is left desolate"). Eathly Jerusalem was made a harlot....an idolatrous city.

The Jews rejected Jesus and then later the gospel of Salvation.

Zechariah 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

The 70 weeks are not complete until the Jews, Jerusalem, embrace Jesus as their King and the gospel of Salvation. The last week is still unfulfilled.

 

[mkgal1]

Jesus didn't want to be King of earthly Jerusalem. It was empty of God's presence (that's what it means that "your house is left desolate"). Eathly Jerusalem was made a harlot....an idolatrous city.

However....Jesus's faithful followers from the 12 tribes didn't reject Him. They made Him their King of the unshakable Kingdom.

Hebrews 12:28
Therefore, since we are receiving an unshakable kingdom, let us be filled with gratitude, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe.​

The Jews rejected Jesus and then later the gospel of Salvation.

Zechariah 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

The 70 weeks are not complete until the Jews, Jerusalem, embrace Jesus as their King and the gospel of Salvation. The last week is still unfulfilled.

As with Noah.....God enters into Covenant with those who are faithful. Jesus's faithful remnant from the 12 tribes formed the foundation of our Church (John the Baptist..Mary, the mother of Jesus, the disciples, the 3,000 at Pentecost etc....were ALL from the 12 Tribes).

The timeline for Daniel's people ended in 34 AD. (490 years from the edict to rebuild Jerusalem in 457 BC).

 

[Douggg]

As with Noah.....God enters into Covenant with those who are faithful. Jesus's faithful remnant from the 12 tribes formed the foundation of our Church. The timeline for Daniel's people ended in 34 AD. (490 years from the edict to rebuild Jerusalem in 457 BC).

The 70 weeks don't end with failure with Daniel's people the Jews and Jerusalem. The 70th week is still unfulfilled, when the Jews, Jerusalem will embrace Jesus and the gospel of Salvation.

 

[mkgal1]

The 70 weeks don't end with failure with Daniel's people the Jews and Jerusalem. The 70th week is still unfulfilled, when the Jews, Jerusalem will embrace Jesus and the gospel of Salvation.

How was the formation of our Church considered "failure"? How is Acts 2 ....."failure"?

Acts 2 - Gift of Holy Spirit

 

[Douggg]

How was the formation of our Church considered "failure"? How is Acts 2 ....."failure"?

Acts 2 - Gift of Holy Spirit

Please go back and read my statement. The 70 weeks pertains to the Jews, and Jerusalem.

 

[mkgal1]

Please go back and read my statement. The 70 weeks pertains to the Jews, and Jerusalem.

I realize that. Our early church *were* Jews, from the 12 tribes. The earthly Jerusalem's destruction had been spoken of from the very beginning. The curse of not honoring their part of the covenant was laid out by Moses (Deuteronomy 28:15-67):

Deuteronomy 28:62
You who were as numerous as the stars in the sky will be left few in number, because you would not obey the voice of the LORD your God.
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......but the faithful remnant are all part of His unshakable and eternal Kingdom.

From Acts 2:14
Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and listen carefully to my words....​

 

[Douggg]

I realize that. Our early church *were* Jews, from the 12 tribes. The earthly Jerusalem's destruction had been spoken of from the very beginning. The curse of not honoring their part of the covenant was laid out by Moses (Deuteronomy 28:15-67):

Deuteronomy 28:62
You who were as numerous as the stars in the sky will be left few in number, because you would not obey the voice of the LORD your God.
​

......but the faithful remnant are all part of His unshakable and eternal Kingdom.

But the Jews and Jerusalem as a people has yet to embrace Jesus and the gospel of Salvation. The 70 weeks are still unfulfilled.