Fundamentalism and Intellectualism

[mpok1519]

no apologies needed.

 

[AV1611VET]

How about fundamentalist atheist? Wrap your brain around that one...lol...and there is a such thing....lol

Oh, I know there is! David described them very well.

 

[divx110]

How about fundamentalist atheist? Wrap your brain around that one...lol...and there is a such thing....lol

I am a true blue Atheist, I do not believe there are any Gods (big or small) I can not get more or less fundamental than that, what more can I say? how can I become a 'fundamentalist atheist?' I would love to know because I would love to be one, can you please help me out?
I think the problem is this, I never think about being an Atheist the thought never enters my head, just like I never think about going fishing because I don't go fishing, I am a non believer in Gods just as I am not a fisherman, and to me they are of equal importance, Gods and fishing, I don't do either, I also don't do skiing, stamp collecting, water polo and lots lots more, so it could be said that I am a 'fundamentalist' in all those things as well.

 

[AV1611VET]

I am a non believer in Gods just as I am not a fisherman, and to me they are of equal importance, Gods and fishing, I don't do either, I also don't do skiing, stamp collecting, water polo and lots lots more, so it could be said that I am a 'fundamentalist' in all those things as well.

But fish exist, right? Stamps exist, right? Ski slopes exist, right? Water exists, right? God exists, right?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Are you including all fundamentalists --- such as fundamentalist Hindus, and fundamentalist Islams, etc.?

If so, I apologize for my rant.

I've never seen religious fundamentalism of any type end well.

 

[Nathan Poe]

But fish exist, right?

Of course.

Stamps exist, right?

No question.

Ski slopes exist, right?

3 for 3 so far...

Water exists, right?

We'd be in trouble if it didn't.

God exists, right?

Debatable.

 

[gaara4158]

How about fundamentalist atheist? Wrap your brain around that one...lol...and there is a such thing....lol

too many lol's in that one to be taken seriously.

I would imagine it's someone who says "there is definitely no god." And that's just as naive as religious fundamentalism. Good thing only "divx" identifies himself as one.

 

[Hespera]

JPCEDOTAL sez....


Before jumping on me too hard, I have posted many times with my own views and thoughts. Just because a few times I like what someone else has written makes me .......... whatever.

I am telling you, you have a real hate issue whether you believe this redneck or not. QUOTE///////////////////////////////////////



Hespera sez.... it does seem some people have hate issues. i dont. Dont say i do.

I think one good way to figure someone who does is by their use of the word "blaspheny". Which apparently was turned into an "issue" in this case.

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[FONT=Palatino, Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=+2]Muslims attack fleeing Christians with acid[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Palatino, Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=+1]9 women, 4 children injured by rampage[/SIZE][/FONT]
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A door to a Christian's home in Pakistan demolished by a Muslim mob in this photograph from the Barnabas Aid
Muslims apparently angered because a Christian man driving a [COLOR=blue ! important][FONT=&quot][COLOR=blue ! important][FONT=&quot]tractor[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] reportedly tried to pass a Muslim on a motorcycle have rampaged in one village in Pakistan, destroying Christians' homes and throwing acid on women and children as they fled, according to a new report from Barnabas Aid.
The ministry reported that the violence this week happened in the village of Bahmani Walla in Punjab state in Pakistan, which is dominated by Islamic influences.
The report said 600 Muslims used gasoline bombs to vandalize 117 homes belonging to Christians – including 48 damaged by fire, and sabotage [COLOR=blue ! important][FONT=&quot][COLOR=blue ! important][FONT=&quot]water [/FONT][COLOR=blue ! important][FONT=&quot]pumps[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] and cut electricity.
According to the report, the violence apparently stemmed from an incident one night earlier, "in which a Christian man driving a tractor requested that a Muslim man riding a motorcycle allow him to pass."
"The request was refused and a disagreement ensued," said the Christian ministry that directs financial support to projects that help Christians "where they suffer discrimination, oppression and persecution as a consequence of their faith."
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Following the confrontation, news was spread among Muslims that there had been blasphemy against Islam, and it took only a few hours for a 600-strong mob of Muslims to assemble and begin the attack.
Cars and trucks owned by Christians were burned or stolen, jewelry and cash were taken and the next morning found Christian business owners facing a boycott.

Wreckage of a Christian's home damaged by a Muslim mob in this photograph from the Barnabas Aid
"The most disturbing [COLOR=blue ! important][FONT=&quot][COLOR=blue ! important][FONT=&quot]development[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] was the throwing of acid at the Christians as they fled. At least nine women and four children have been injured," the Christian ministry reported.
While blasphemy carries a death penalty in Pakistan, there is no punishment available for making a false accusation that someone was guilty of the crime, the ministry said.

 

[AV1611VET]

Debatable.

Don't you wish they'd get to it, then*?

Aren't you tired of waiting --- especially as an agnostic?

* I can tell you ahead of time what they'll find though; same thing they found when they searched for Elijah.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Don't you wish they'd get to it, then*?

They've been "getting to it" for thousands of years. What are you talking about?

Aren't you tired of waiting --- especially as an agnostic?

Not particularly. My agnosticism isn't so much that I don't "know" if there's a God, it's more along the lines of I don't currently care.

If there is a God, and if He wants anything particular from me, then He, in His legendary wisdom, knows exactly what to do to get me the message in terms I would understand and believe. As of yet, it has not happened.

A God who doesn't influence my world in any way weighs in about the same as no God as all.

* I can tell you ahead of time what they'll find though; same thing they found when they searched for Elijah.

same thing they found when they searched for Achilles.

 

[divx110]

But fish exist, right? Stamps exist, right? Ski slopes exist, right? Water exists, right? God exists, right?

AV1611VET using the logic of desperation, yes of course you're right AV1611VET, you're religious so you're always right, it's just a pity that any ridiculous explanation or drivel seems to be enough to keep you believing, ah well.

 

[Catherineanne]

Saying that god doesn't exist and lacking a belief in god are 2 different things.

an atheist lacks a belief in god, this has nothing to do with claiming god doesn't exist.

A peson who lacks a belief in God, but does not say that there is no God, I would regard as an agnostic. An atheist is a person who has made a decision.

 

[Catherineanne]

It's a lack of belief in God, so it's going to be a lack of belief in claims about him too...

Originally Posted by jpcedotal

How about fundamentalist atheist? Wrap your brain around that one...lol...and there is a such thing....lol
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too many lol's in that one to be taken seriously.

I would imagine it's someone who says "there is definitely no god." And that's just as naive as religious fundamentalism. Good thing only "divx" identifies himself as one.

I am rather bemused to note that on a thread bewailing the sad state of intellectualism in fundamentalist Christianity, there appears to be a complete lack of understanding of what atheism is, and is not. I refer you all to your own particular fav. dictionary, but meanwhile:

Agnostic n Somebody who believes that it is impossible to know whether God or any other supreme being exists or not.

Atheism n The belief or doctrine that there is no God

Penguin English Dictionary.

Anyone who is going to claim to be an atheist, might be as well finding out what that denotes first. It is not a lack of belief. It is a belief. Science is agnostic; it can say nothing of God and does not try.

Atheism, on the other hand, does say something of God, and that something is unproven, and is said without evidence, but is based on belief. Which means that atheism is a faith, with a doctrine all of its own.

 

[Bankai_2]

A peson who lacks a belief in God, but does not say that there is no God, I would regard as an agnostic. A peson who lacks a belief in God, but does not say that there is no God, I would regard as an agnostic. An atheist is a person who has made a decision.

Not quite an atheist is A person who does not believe that deities exist; one who lacks belief in gods

 

[metherion]

I am rather bemused to note that on a thread bewailing the sad state of intellectualism in fundamentalist Christianity, there appears to be a complete lack of understanding of what atheism is, and is not. I refer you all to your own particular fav. dictionary, but meanwhile:

Agnostic n Somebody who believes that it is impossible to know whether God or any other supreme being exists or not.

Atheism n The belief or doctrine that there is no God

Penguin English Dictionary.

Anyone who is going to claim to be an atheist, might be as well finding out what that denotes first. It is not a lack of belief. It is a belief. Science is agnostic; it can say nothing of God and does not try.

Atheism, on the other hand, does say something of God, and that something is unproven, and is said without evidence, but is based on belief. Which means that atheism is a faith, with a doctrine all of its own.

The atheism defined there is generally termed 'strong' atheism, THERE ARE NO GODS.

'Weak' atheism is generally defined as I DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD(S).

There is a rather big difference, and 'weak' is definitely not a belief, but a lack thereof.

So some atheism is a belief, but not all is.

Metherion

 

[AV1611VET]

A peson who lacks a belief in God, but does not say that there is no God, I would regard as an agnostic. An atheist is a person who has made a decision.

I agree.

 

[AV1611VET]

Anyone who is going to claim to be an atheist, might be as well finding out what that denotes first. It is not a lack of belief. It is a belief. Science is agnostic; it can say nothing of God and does not try.

Atheism, on the other hand, does say something of God, and that something is unproven, and is said without evidence, but is based on belief. Which means that atheism is a faith, with a doctrine all of its own.

I agree.

 

[Catherineanne]

Not quite an atheist is A person who does not believe that deities exist; one who lacks belief in gods

No, that is your opinion. If you check in a Dictionary, you will see that your opinion is somewhat mistaken.

 

[Catherineanne]

The atheism defined there is generally termed 'strong' atheism, THERE ARE NO GODS.

'Weak' atheism is generally defined as I DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD(S).

There is a rather big difference, and 'weak' is definitely not a belief, but a lack thereof.

So some atheism is a belief, but not all is.

Metherion

Again, this is personal opinion, but it does not bear relation to the words as defined in a Dictionary. Atheism is the belief that there is no God/gods, and it is not a relative but an absolute.

Agnosticism is the position that there is nothing that can be said one way or another about whether God exists.

 

[Catherineanne]

I agree.

Before that Twilight Zone music playing around me gets too loud, I ought to add that atheism is a perfectly valid world view, and atheists are to be commended for having the courage of their convictions.