Fundamentalism and Intellectualism

[Skaloop]

I reject evolution for the same reason I reject Leprechauns --- okay, that's a bad example --- let's try something else.

I reject evolution for the same reason I reject panspermia: it simply didn't happen.

To put it cutesy, I'm an atheist when it comes to evolution.

To put it another way, there's nothing to reject --- it didn't happen.

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[jpcedotal]

Believer's Bible Commentary:

1:1 "In the beginning God . . . ." These first four words of the Bible form the foundation for faith. Believe these words, and you can believe all that follows in the Bible. Genesis provides the only authoritative account of creation, meaningful for people of all ages but exhaustible by no one. The divine record assumes the existence of God rather than seeking to prove it. The Bible has a special name for those who choose to deny the fact of God. That name is fool (Psa_14:1 and Psa_53:1). Just as the Bible begins with God, so He should be first in our lives.

K, I am done. I just thought this was a good place for Christians and those who are trying to "figure" us Christians out, to understand that this and most other threads that have heated debates, that everything comes down to one singular argument:

blind divine faith verses unproven worldly knowledge

This is an easy choice for me and there is no "blending"

 

[Nathan Poe]

Fine --- let me, in agreement with him, say the same thing:

I, AV, reject evolution because it rejects God, and it rejects revelation. It denies the fall of man and the fact of sin, and it opposes the virgin birth of Christ. Therefore, I reject it with all my being. I do not believe that it is the answer to the origin of this universe.

And now you're just as wrong as McGee was -- at least in this one post.

It's possible you've surpassed him if we look at career stats.

 

[divx110]

More from Dr. Vernon McGee:

My friend, in the midst of all the unbelief, the blasphemy, and the hostility toward God which is around us today, the greatest thing you can do as a human being is to publicly choose the Lord Jesus Christ. To believe in God the Father Almighty, the Maker of heaven and earth and to receive His Son, Jesus Christ, is the most glorious privilege that you and I have. We hear a lot of talk about freedom of speech and freedom of every sort, but this poor crowd around us who talks so loudly of freedom doesn't seem to know what freedom really is. We have real freedom when we choose Jesus Christ as our Savior.

So who's arguing with you? you are free to believe in whatever religion takes your fancy and there is a religion out there to suit everyone, you can shout your choice from the rooftops and no one will argue because that's your choice (or perhaps it's the one that was chosen for you) either way you believe it so good for you.

Believer's Bible Commentary:

1:1 "In the beginning God . . . ." These first four words of the Bible form the foundation for faith. Believe these words, and you can believe all that follows in the Bible. Genesis provides the only authoritative account of creation, meaningful for people of all ages but exhaustible by no one. The divine record assumes the existence of God rather than seeking to prove it. The Bible has a special name for those who choose to deny the fact of God. That name is fool (Psa_14:1 and Psa_53:1). Just as the Bible begins with God, so He should be first in our lives.

K, I am done. I just thought this was a good place for Christians and those who are trying to "figure" us Christians out, to understand that this and most other threads that have heated debates, that everything comes down to one singular argument:

blind divine faith verses unproven worldly knowledge

This is an easy choice for me and there is no "blending"

All we ask is you keep it out of the science class because as you so rightly say it's 'blind divine faith verses unproven worldly knowledge', and it's not a case of 'trying to "figure" Christians out' because we already know that 99% of Christians are Christians because of where they were born and not out of choice, take a look around you, how come there are so many Christians?

 

[Nathan Poe]

I could not agree with him more that evolution rejects revelation (i.e., the [entire] Bible).

Evolution rejects the entire Bible?

So, in Judges 15:4-5, when Samson sets the the Philistines' fields on fire using torches tied to foxes, how does evolution reject that?

(ignoring the fact that there seems to be a critical mistranslation in that particular passage which has nothing to do with evolution, of course.)

 

[Nathan Poe]

I reject evolution for the same reason I reject Leprechauns --- okay, that's a bad example --- let's try something else.

I reject evolution for the same reason I reject panspermia: it simply didn't happen.

So what makes Leprechauns a bad example? You don't reject them?

To put it cutesy, I'm an atheist when it comes to evolution.

You mean to put it wrong -- Athesit means you don't believe in God.

What you're probably trying to say is that you're a nonbeliever in evolution.

To put it another way, there's nothing to reject --- it didn't happen.

Yet you reject it anyway.

 

[AV1611VET]

You don't reject [Leprechauns]?

No.

 

[Hespera]

More from Dr. Vernon McGee:

My friend, in the midst of all the unbelief, the blasphemy, and the hostility toward God which is around us today, the greatest thing you can do as a human being is to publicly choose the Lord Jesus Christ. To believe in God the Father Almighty, the Maker of heaven and earth and to receive His Son, Jesus Christ, is the most glorious privilege that you and I have. We hear a lot of talk about freedom of speech and freedom of every sort, but this poor crowd around us who talks so loudly of freedom doesn't seem to know what freedom really is. We have real freedom when we choose Jesus Christ as our Savior.

Talk about freedom. In my culture we know that there is no freedom without responsibility. The two are inseparable as the heads and tails of a coin. We take responsibility very seriously.

Anyone can play cut and paste. How about your own ideas?

It shows more honesty and guts, for one thing. You talk about "blasphemy" and "hostility toward god" and, 'talking loudly" "doesnt seem to know what freedom really is"... without having to attach yourself to any responsibility.

Perhaps I'd like to say that ".................." See how it works? "Perhaps i'd like to say" gets me out of taking responsibility.

You just posted something false and insulting behind cover of a quote.

There is btw no such thing as "hostility to god". Some Christians may think there is, but sorry, that's just their imagination, and their way of being better than other people. In their mind only.

I have no respect at all for this kind of post.

 

[mpok1519]

fundamnetalism enables unhealthy behavior.

fundamenalism = disease on society.

fundamentalists never make any sense. Their claims are unwarranted, irrational, and illogical. They don't know basics of evolution, the mechanics involved (find me ONE fundamentalist that knows what are speciation, descent w/modfication, genetic drift/flow, and mutation. Bc I've never found one that understands these concepts) or universal physics; I have fundamentalists ensure me that the universe doesn't have or operate on a specific regiment of set laws that never change. Fundamentalism is just plain wrong, certainly unethical, and perhaps even immoral.

humanity will die if fundamentalism is not rid of.

 

[Hespera]

humanity will die if fundamentalism is not rid of.

Huh?

 

[mpok1519]

seriously; fundamentalism, religious fundamentalism, is dangerous to society, and ultimately, humanity.

 

[AV1611VET]

[delete]

 

[mpok1519]

See previous post for response.

 

[AV1611VET]

seriously; fundamentalism, religious fundamentalism, is dangerous to society, and ultimately, humanity.

Maybe when the Antichrist comes to power, he will remedy this 'disease'?

 

[mpok1519]

Maybe when the Antichrist comes to power, he will remedy this 'disease'?

again, fundamentalism is unhealthy.

 

[AV1611VET]

again, fundamentalism is unhealthy.

Are you including all fundamentalists --- such as fundamentalist Hindus, and fundamentalist Islams, etc.?

If so, I apologize for my rant.

 

[jpcedotal]

Talk about freedom. In my culture we know that there is no freedom without responsibility. The two are inseparable as the heads and tails of a coin. We take responsibility very seriously.

Anyone can play cut and paste. How about your own ideas?

It shows more honesty and guts, for one thing. You talk about "blasphemy" and "hostility toward god" and, 'talking loudly" "doesnt seem to know what freedom really is"... without having to attach yourself to any responsibility.

Perhaps I'd like to say that ".................." See how it works? "Perhaps i'd like to say" gets me out of taking responsibility.

You just posted something false and insulting behind cover of a quote.

There is btw no such thing as "hostility to god". Some Christians may think there is, but sorry, that's just their imagination, and their way of being better than other people. In their mind only.

I have no respect at all for this kind of post.

Before jumping on me too hard, I have posted many times with my own views and thoughts. Just because a few times I like what someone else has written makes me .......... whatever.

I am telling you, you have a real hate issue whether you believe this redneck or not.

 

[mpok1519]

yes; all fundamentalism is potentially unhealthy.

 

[jpcedotal]

Are you including all fundamentalists --- such as fundamentalist Hindus, and fundamentalist Islams, etc.?

If so, I apologize for my rant.

How about fundamentalist atheist? Wrap your brain around that one...lol...and there is a such thing....lol

 

[AV1611VET]

yes; all fundamentalism is potentially unhealthy.

In that case, please accept my sincere apology.