Fundamentalism and Intellectualism

[AV1611VET]

So you don't think that people will be drawn to scripture by the inherent beauty of the gospel or the person of Christ...

Of course I do.

... but they will be by little 'tidbits' of science.

I believe these little tidbits have their own appeal, that's all.

So you, by admission, believe scientific truth to be more attractive than spiritual truth.

There is no such thing as 'scientific truth'.

At least, not that I'm aware of.

And to answer your point, the Bible says that in the end times, some will depart from the faith in favor of ... well ... science (for one).

You have sold out to naturalism.

Not hardly.

Either that or you believe the third person of the Trinity to be impotent.

Really?

Funny how this 'impotent' predicted the decline of His own dispensation.

 

[theFijian]

Of course I do.I believe these little tidbits have their own appeal, that's all.There is no such thing as 'scientific truth'.

At least, not that I'm aware of.

And to answer your point, the Bible says that in the end times, some will depart from the faith in favor of ... well ... science (for one).Not hardly.Really?

Funny how this 'impotent' predicted the decline of His own dispensation.

It's not funny because dispensationalism is another modern unbiblical invention just like Creationism. Although it is hilarious how you think science should take a hike but apparently God has to hide tidbits of it scripture because the gospel can't cut it anymore. See where Creationism gets you? You end up having to rely on science to grab folks attention.

 

[Split Rock]

This is a Christian nation.

Not according to the Constitution of the United States of America.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I don't know if it was the Author's intent, either --- but one thing is for certain:

It certainly shows He knew what He was talking about.

Only if that was their intent -- which you just admitted you don't know.

My personal take on these 'anachronistic tidbits' is that they were inserted to show the Bible's veracity --- especially in the latter days, when It would come into question vis-a-vis science.

Well, that's your opinion -- and as a presuppositionalist, you have nothing to do now but blow your own horn that said opinion is as holy as the book you idolize -- even to the point of capitalizing its pronoun; a gesture of linguistic respect reserved only for God Himself.

In other words, in the latter days, as interest in science rises, and interest in the Bible declines, God has inserted little tidbits of science that can be used as an appeal to rekindle interest in Its pages.

How unfortunate that such a misguided attempt failed utterly -- I say "misguided," because why would God want to rekindle interest in the Bible when He could just as easily rekindle people's interest in Himself?

 

[Nathan Poe]

This is a Christian nation.

Since when?

 

[Catherineanne]

But when I read in scripture to love my neighbour I definitely read it in the literal sense.

I don't think you do. The Lord explained in Luke 10 that this is not just literal, but far broader.

Do you only love those living next door to you, or do you interpret it to mean anyone you happen to meet in the course of your day; your work colleagues, your friends, people on the bus and at church?

One is literal, the other is allegorical. Most of us choose allegorical on this one, in line with Christ's words.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's not funny because dispensationalism is another modern unbiblical invention just like Creationism.

Let me guess --- just like the Rapture too --- right?

Not to mention supralapsarianism?

 

[AV1611VET]

Not according to the Constitution of the United States of America.

God overrides the Constitution --- qv the Mayflower Compact and the Abrahamic Covenant.

!!! JERUSALEM !!!
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You knew that was coming --- didn't you ---
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[AV1611VET]

I don't think you do. The Lord explained in Luke 10 that this is not just literal, but far broader.

Do you only love those those living next door to you, or do you interpret it to mean anyone you happen to meet in the course of your day; your work colleagues, your friends, people on the bus and at church?

One is literal, the other is allegorical. Most of us choose allegorical on this one, in line with Christ's words.

Oh, my.

You've never heard of the neighborhood --- or neighboring countries?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Let me guess --- just like the Rapture too --- right?

Not to mention supralapsarianism?

You're getting good at this, AV -- would you like to join me in musing how ironic it is that the more one believes in the Bible and nothing more, the more one has to concoct extrabiblical and occasionally unbiblical dogmas to justify those beliefs?

 

[Catherineanne]

Oh, my.

You've never heard of the neighborhood --- or neighboring countries?

Indeed I have.

Neighbour means directly next door, or in very close proximity. Neighbouring countries are those in very close proximity to our own.

However, Christ makes it clear that loving our neighbour is not just about the people who live near to us, which is the literal meaning.

 

[Nathan Poe]

God overrides the Constitution

When/if Jesus returns, AV -- not before. Don't get premature...

--- qv the Mayflower Compact and the Abrahamic Covenant.

Neither of which will stand up in any court. Good luck trying.

!!! JERUSALEM !!!

Now say it in Hebrew.

You knew that was coming --- didn't you ---

Like a bad joke, AV.

 

[Catherineanne]

You're getting good at this, AV -- would you like to join me in musing how ironic it is that the more one believes in the Bible and nothing more, the more one has to concoct extrabiblical and occasionally unbiblical dogmas to justify those beliefs?

... and the further one actually gets from finding everything needful to salvation in the Bible itself.

Let alone having a perfect text.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Oh, my.

You've never heard of the neighborhood --- or neighboring countries?

Christ never did -- and he's the one who allegedly said it in the first place.

 

[AV1611VET]

You're getting good at this, AV -- would you like to join me in musing how ironic it is that the more one believes in the Bible and nothing more, the more one has to concoct extrabiblical and occasionally unbiblical dogmas to justify those beliefs?

As much as I would like to take credit for these --- they were "concocted" long before either you or I were born.

And yes, I know you weren't expressly talking about me, but nevertheless, that's what Basic Theology is all about --- putting doctrine into easy-to-understand formats, then labeling those formats for ease of identification.

 

[AV1611VET]

However, Christ makes it clear that loving our neighbour is not just about the people who live near to us, which is the literal meaning.

I believe the literal meaning is broad enough to cover the neighborhood, don't you?

You're confusing literal with super-literal.

A train can literally stop on the tracks, even though it's still moving at hundreds of thousands of miles per hour.

 

[atomweaver]

God overrides the Constitution --- qv the Mayflower Compact and the Abrahamic Covenant.

!!! JERUSALEM !!!
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You knew that was coming --- didn't you ---
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ROKUSABA MICHIBA!!!!

Clearly, God prefers the original Iron Chef Japan over Iron Chef America...

You knew that was coming, too --- didn't you ---

 

[Nathan Poe]

As much as I would like to take credit for these --- they were "concocted" long before either you or I were born.

Fret not, AV -- I never suspected for a moment you came up with any of it.

And yes, I know you weren't expressly talking about me, but nevertheless, that's what Basic Theology is all about --- putting doctrine into easy-to-understand formats, then labeling those formats for ease of identification.

And the part where the doctrine never comes from the Bible at all, but from man's desperate attempt to use the Bible to justify their own beliefs? Is that Intermediate Theology?

Becase I must say, AV -- "Embedded age" is a laugh-a-minute.

 

[AV1611VET]

Neither of which will stand up in any court.

The courts have neither the authority, nor the power to enforce the Abrahamic Covenant --- thus I agree.

God's courts, on the other hand, are different.

 

[Nathan Poe]

The courts have neither the authority, nor the power to enforce the Abrahamic Covenant --- thus I agree.

God's courts, on the other hand, are different.

And where exactly is His juristiction? Just the US, or surrounding territories?