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Why is the command given us to "Walk in the Spirit"? Becuase it's very true that if we do that we are complete.
Take how and what Paul tells us in Ephesians 1:3:
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,
We should walk in the Spirit KNOWING what we have in Christ has made us complete RIGHT NOW.
So even so...don't we see Jesus speaking in figures of speech...let's list a few:Ok I won't exaggerate... but it's a figure of speech , I did not really mean you spiritualize everything
*"You must be born again"
*"Behold, I say to you, lift up your eyes and look on the fields, that they are white for harvest."
*"I am the bread of life"
*"My sheep hear my voice"
I think my point is made.
He is already...What does it mean when Peter tells you in His sermon at Pentecost that Jesus was on the throne of David? It's right there in Acts 2:32-36:
32 This Jesus God raised up again, to which we are all witnesses.
33 Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear.
34 For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself says: The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at My right hand,
35 Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christthis Jesus whom you crucified.
Do you not understand Jesus is Lord RIGHT NOW regardless of what this world thinks...regardless of what Obama or anyone else thinks?
All I can tell you is what God's word says...it's up to you to go by God's word OVER how you feel...the passage says YOU ARE COMPLETE IN HIM.
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dfw,
there might be some clue in the end of Acts for you, because Paul is speaking to Roman admin at Caesarea about his case. I'm not to refering to details of his defense, but what Paul spoke about other than that: righteousness (poss. justification from sins), self-control, and the judgement to come, 24:25. What I mean is that the kingdom of God's power is merely speaking of it. The kingdom is here, and it makes sense. But it does not try to establish a "state" to speak of, and there is no reference to Israel being a "state."
In fact, in 26, he says Judaism is still trying to see their hope fulfilled, but for him, it is (v23). This verse includes the intriguing phrase that he wouldn't dare go beyond what Moses and the prophets said, which was simply the two parts:
1, Messiah would suffer and rise
2, the light of this message would be proclaimed
If he was going to insert something about modern Israel, it would be right here.
there might be some clue in the end of Acts for you, because Paul is speaking to Roman admin at Caesarea about his case. I'm not to refering to details of his defense, but what Paul spoke about other than that: righteousness (poss. justification from sins), self-control, and the judgement to come, 24:25. What I mean is that the kingdom of God's power is merely speaking of it. The kingdom is here, and it makes sense. But it does not try to establish a "state" to speak of, and there is no reference to Israel being a "state."
In fact, in 26, he says Judaism is still trying to see their hope fulfilled, but for him, it is (v23). This verse includes the intriguing phrase that he wouldn't dare go beyond what Moses and the prophets said, which was simply the two parts:
1, Messiah would suffer and rise
2, the light of this message would be proclaimed
If he was going to insert something about modern Israel, it would be right here.
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We live spiritually, in the Holy Spirit, now ,by faith , as if already completed by faith ..but faith eventually becomes reality ...it is no more faith but reality
I don't disagree with you... I'm saying now we walk in the spirit by faith
But one day out faith will be completed ...and we will no longer walk by faith... For the promises will be realized when our faith is completed.. Faith is the substance of things hope for.. And if hope then what we believe that we are complete by faith will be realized to end our hope
Yes
Jesus sits at the right hand..because Israel crucified him and rejected him... They will not be given another change to receive the kingdom of god on earth until they learn to cry... Blessed is he that comes in the name of The Lord ... Then Jesus will sit on the throne of David on earth and fulfill messianic prophecies
Yes ... But the spiritual kingdom that Jesus is king of now will become a literal kingdom on earth in the future ...
Ebad the spiritual has always and will always become reality ... On earth as it is in heaven
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No need to? My friend, you don't see the practical context. He is risking his life saying the hope of Israel is fulfilled (it is). He would love to have 'saved his neck' by saying 'but just wait a couple thousand years and you'll have your kingdom.' You need to enter the passage viscerally, understand its tensions, its risks for Paul.
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Really??? Why did Jesus tell Pilate "My kingdom is not of this world"? That's was the reality...the fact is Pilate couldn't see it...which is why he asked Jesus "what is truth?"...Pilate couldn't see the truth just as those who are lost don't see the truth.
Once again you won;t grasp the reality IS the Spiritual!!! Why does Peter tell us we ARE a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, and a people of God's OWN POSSESSION...that is the reality right now...which is why we are told we are IN the world, but not OF the world.
One more time...this is what Peter said at Pentecost of what David was prophesying...this is Acts 2:30, 31:
30 And so, because he was a prophet and knew that God had sworn to him with an oath to seat one of his descendants on his throne,
31 he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that He was neither abandoned to Hades, nor did His flesh suffer decay.
Jesus is ON THE THRONE RIGHT NOW...dfw69. The 110 Psalms says "The Lord said to MY LORD, sit at my right hand..."...what do you think Jesus is sitting on?
No it won't it is a literal kingdom that lost people don't and can't see because they are lost. When Jesus comes that kingdom COMES TO EARTH. Right now it's in heaven...which is why we pray "YOUR KINGDOM COME, Your will be done ON EARTH, as IT IS IN HEAVEN.
This is further why Paul tells us "the Jerusalem ABOVE is free, she is our mother...it is a real kingdom in existence now in heaven, that WE ARE MEMBER OF...which is why Peter again tells us again in 1 Peter 2:11:
11 Beloved, I urge you as aliens and strangers to abstain from fleshly lusts which wage war against the soul.
We saints should see ourselves as "aliens and strangers" living on earth.
I think you have it backwards...they COEXIST...this material world is here and the spiritual world is here also...THEY ARE BOTH REAL...but the one we are living by is what the difference is.
If what you're saying is true why does Jesus tell us "make disciples"?
When we allow God to use us to lead others to faith in Christ, receiving the Holy Spirit...they...(like we do), begin to see the world from God's viewpoint, which is Spiritual...and they are as Paul says "translated into the kingdom of God's dear son". Now I'm on the same page as Paul...I see God's kingdom as real...a kingdom that the lost cannot see.
Colossians 1:13, 14
13 For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,
14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
The apostle doesn't use "past tenses" for nothing...he wants you to understand that's how it is NOW!
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Because at the time Jesus was seeking a spiritual kingdom..
.. He had to ratify the new covenant... He still has to fulfill the messianic promises of a kingdom on earth... Jesus is coming back ebed for that purpose to fulfill Messianic propheciesYou believe people who don't hold to your view are lost? What do you mean by lost?
I realize that the reality is our faith ... But faith is only faith until faith becomes reality...new Jerusalem come down to earth ebed ..
Yes Jesus sits in right hand till god puts down all authority powers and dominion... So that the only kingdom standing is his...and this happens in the future at an appointed time
I am not lost because I believe in a literal kingdom to come ebed ...neither are those who still hold to the promises of god in fulfilling our faith of ruling on earth
For now.. But god kingdom from heaven comes to earth in the future... And new Jerusalem comes down as well.... See the picture?
How can his spiritual kingdom be real and of this world when you just said the spiritual kingdom is not of this world?... So if the spiritual kingdom is not of this world but in heaven in new Jerusalem ... And new Jerusalem comes down to earth in the future... Then there will be a kingdom on earth...
So that they may witness to the truth on earth and the gospel may continue to spread
The lost that cannot see your views?.. The just shall live by faith.. If we live by faith and are justified by Christ .. How are we lost ?
Yes now ... Spiritually... In the future... Literally... When our faith is completed
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Jesus wasn't *seeking* anything...He said "MY kingdom is not of this world". Are you reading that? It is a real kingdom. What you're doing is spinning what Jesus said dfw69. Ratification of the New Covenant abolished the Old Covenant.Because at the time Jesus was seeking a spiritual kingdom..
Read what I said again
Huh? My faith is based on the fact that God gave me the Holy Spirit as a down payment on my salvation. So my faith is based on a REAL God who has done REAL things in my life and in the life of others. I have no clue how you figure "faith is only faith until it becomes reality".
*A real Jesus came to earth and was nailed on a cross and died.
*A real Jesus was resurrected from the dead.
*A real 12 apostles preached the gospels and did miracles in His name.
Epehesians 1:22
22 And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church,
Already done.
Once again...read what I said.
It's you don't see the picture. You don't seem to get the fact that the kingdom that already exist, and that you are a member. It simply changes location...that's why it comes DOWN to earth from heaven...because IT ALREADY IS!
Jesus ascended "far above all the heavens". So I ask you this...where did He go? See the picture?
Why spread a gospel about a kingdom you don't think exist right now?
Please read what I said again.
I leave you with that. I'm complete in Jesus.
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I don't believe the old covenant is abolished yet... Jesus said not one jot or title will fail until all is fulfilled... All is not fulfilled ebed... Which you and I disagree
When new Jerusalem comes down all will be fulfilled ... The law still judges sinners... Death will cease when the power of the law ceases to exist
Jesus is the fulfilling of the law (that still exist) for us... Iow I don't need to serve the law because Jesus fulfilled it for me.....
We have faith that Christ is our Passover from death to life..to live again on earth one day
The new covenant abolishes the old covenant in us only ... Not the world ebed
Jesus is not in union with the world... The world is still under satan control... He is the prince and power of the air...the kingdoms of this world belong to him ... But he does not own us... We are bought with a price.. One day the kingdoms of this world will belong to Christ ... And if the kingdoms of this world will belong to Christ ... Then what once belong to the world will belong to Christ ... Satan must be bound for this to take place
So Jesus spoke the truth when he said the kingdoms of this world did not belong to him ... Yet!! For his kingdom is not of this world...
I did and still don't understand what you mean by lost
Ok ..a down payment is not a full payment for your faith...will you not one day receive full payment?...
Our faith will be rewarded when god fulfills his promises to us for our faith...
We too will be resurrected because of this.. And the full payment is nations will never die ... Death will cease
And full payment is the dead in Christ rise again as he did
In part...not all have the gifts... Many members of the body.. Different gifts.. But prophecy will end when all is fulfilled
In part... A complete fulfillment is yet to take place
Not completely ..until all that is written in the law and prophets is fulfilled
By what authority does it come down to earth?.. By the word.. It's prophecied to take place by the prophets so not all is fulfilled
Where shall he come? ..Mt olives ,Jerusalem ...why ? to pick olives?
Never said I did not believe in a spiritual kingdom ... I do believe Jesus has a kingdom right now... I also believe he will establish a kingdom on earth .. You don't ...that's all
Ok I'm fine with that
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dfw,
a clue about the present power of the kingdom may be found in rom 16's wrapup when it says that the preaching of the Gospel 'establishes' the believer just like the event did. This is foreign to the modern believer because of several misconceptions.
re old covenant
yes, the old does apply to the world as a basis for morality, though not the ceremonial law. But there is another sense to be aware of when you hear 'it will not be done away until every tiny mark is fulfilled': Christ fulfilled the law on our behalf. For the same reason, a believer's righteousness does exceed that of the scribe and Pharisee, both because Christ has acted in their place for justification, and because the drive is in the heart not for appearance.
a clue about the present power of the kingdom may be found in rom 16's wrapup when it says that the preaching of the Gospel 'establishes' the believer just like the event did. This is foreign to the modern believer because of several misconceptions.
re old covenant
yes, the old does apply to the world as a basis for morality, though not the ceremonial law. But there is another sense to be aware of when you hear 'it will not be done away until every tiny mark is fulfilled': Christ fulfilled the law on our behalf. For the same reason, a believer's righteousness does exceed that of the scribe and Pharisee, both because Christ has acted in their place for justification, and because the drive is in the heart not for appearance.
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This would not be correct in any form. Ephesians makes it very clear. Ephesians 2:14-16:
14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall,
15 by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace,
16 and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity.
Now that clearly says Jesus abolished the law! Also remember the Law is written on the HEART of ALL!
No...you missed the point. Jesus came to call His people out of the world, so no...His kingdom is not of the world.
The point is...we who are saved, ARE in His kingdom, and we are "in the world, not of the world". This is why Jesus has us here...He's still calling out a people for His name.
The lost are all who have not received Christ.
It also a seal. Remember receiving the Spirit SEALS US for the day of redemption...which is what we wait for as we serve the Lord. 2 Corinthians 1:21, 22
21 Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and anointed us is God,
22 who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge.
Yes
Are you kidding? The apostles did more miracles than Jesus did...read Acts they had EVERY GIFT THERE WAS TO HAVE!!!
The only thing remaining is for Jesus to come, resurrect the quick and the dead, judge the world and make all things new.
Nope. This is the passage Revelation 21:1, 2:
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea.
2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.
What do you notice about that passage?
You're skirting the question dfw69...you know the answer.Where shall he come? ..Mt olives ,Jerusalem ...why ? to pick olives?
Well...that would be the point His kingdom comes to earth...it's already established.
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Jesus NEVER said he would establish a physical kingdom on earth!
There is no Biblical proof for that ideology!
Didn't you ever question where in the Bible Jesus supposedly said He would be king on an earthly throne?
Jesus NEVER said he would establish a physical kingdom on earth!
There is no Biblical proof for that ideology!
Didn't you ever question where in the Bible Jesus supposedly said He would be king on an earthly throne?
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Found this for you coraline .. It's what I believe
The Throne of David
I Will Not Lie Unto David
From the very beginning the throne of David and the Davidic kingdom were both earthly in nature, as witnessed by the following words:
"Then sat Solomon upon the throne of David his father; and his kingdom was established greatly" (1 Ki. 2:12).
Solomon sat upon the throne of David on the earth and his kingdom which was established was one which was earthly.Now let us look at the Lord's promises made to David in regard to that throne and kingdom:
"I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever...And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever" (2 Sam.7:12-13).
Since the throne and the kingdom were both "earthly" in nature then we can know that God established the earthly throne and the earthly kingdom FOR EVER. God also said that He would not "alter" the promises which He made to David:
"I have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto David my servant...Nevertheless my loving-kindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail. My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips. Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David" (Ps.89:3,33-35).
The preterists say that God did "alter" His promise to David because the "throne of David" was changed from an earthly throne into a heavenly one.
According to them God did lie when He promised David that He would not "alter" his promises because the teaching of some Christians is based on the idea that God changed the throne from an earthly one into a heavenly one.
"My Throne" or the "Father's Throne"?
Gary DeMar says: "Jesus told His disciples that they would see a sign that proved He was in heaven, sitting at His Father's right hand (Acts 2:30-36)...He now occupies David's throne in the heavenly Jerusalem" [emphasis mine] (DeMar, Last Days Madness, 165).
In regard to "David's throne" we read that Gabriel told Mary the following: "He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end" (Lk.1:32,33).
Since Gabriel says that God will give the Lord Jesus the throne of David then that can only mean that David's throne represents "Jesus' throne," a throne that will belong exclusively to Him. However, the following words of the Lord Jesus demonstrate that He is not now sitting in His own throne:
"To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with Me in My throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with My Father in His throne" (Rev.3:21).
The Lord Jesus is not now sitting in His own throne,the "throne of David," but instead is sitting in His Father's throne!
Reign on the Earth
The Lord Jesus will reign in Jerusalem when He reigns from David's throne:
"Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously" (Isa.24:23).
Here we see that when He reigns in Jerusalem "the moon shall be confounded and the sun ashamed." This could not possibly be referring to "heavenly Jerusalem" because there will be no need of the light of the sun there:
"And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever" (Rev.22:5).
Besides that, the Lord Jesus made it plain that He will sit upon His throne when He returns to earth:
"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory" (Mt.25:31).
The following words of Job demonstrate that the Lord Jesus will stand on the earth in the latter day:
"For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God" (Job 19:25-26).
Indeed, the following passage foretells of the time when the Lord will stand upon the earth:
"Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle. On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem" (Zech.14:3-4).
When He will be reigning on the earth His saints will sit with Him in His throne and will reign with Him:
"And hast made us unto our God a kingdom of priests: and we shall reign on the earth" (Rev.5:10).
Since the Christian will reign with Him on the earth and sit with Him on His throne, then it is certain that His throne will be on the earth.
Jerusalem--The Throne of the Lord
The following verse demonstrates that the Lord Jesus will rule from David's Throne in Jerusalem: "At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem" (Jer.3:17).
The prophet Ezekiel says that the Lord brought him to the "land of Israel (Ez.40:2) and was placed on a high mountain where he saw a structure like a city on the south. Then he was brought to a "temple" (41:1) and its "inner court" (43:5) where the Lord spoke to him:
"And He said unto me, son of man, the place of My throne, and the place of the soles of My feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for ever, and my holy name, shall the house of Israel no more defile, neither they, nor their kings, by their whoredom, nor by the carcases of their kings in their high places" (Ez.43:7).
Here the Lord Jesus says that He will "dwell in the midst of the children of Israel". That fits perfectly with another prophecy from the same book of Ezekiel:
"And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob My servant and will set My sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore" (Ez.37:25,26).
Zechariah next defines the dimensions of the city which he saw, and then says: "It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name of the city from that day shall be, The LORD is there" (Ez.48:35).
In the Kingdom men will go to Jerusalem to worship Him: "And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one...And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain" (Zech.14:9,17).
Gary DeMar writes,"To be sure, dispensationalism is one of the many 'modern systems of divinity' in vogue today. And as we will see in our study of Matthew 24:14, dispensationalist commentators do not place themselves in the position of the sacred writers" (DeMar,The Gospel Preached to All the World, Part 1).
As we have shown, Gary DeMar is the one who does not place himself in the position of the sacred writers in regard to the location of the Throne of David....He cannot distinguish the throne of the Father from the throne of David. According to his theology God lied to David because He altered the promises which He made to David that the earthly throne of David was established forever
The Throne of David
I Will Not Lie Unto David
From the very beginning the throne of David and the Davidic kingdom were both earthly in nature, as witnessed by the following words:
"Then sat Solomon upon the throne of David his father; and his kingdom was established greatly" (1 Ki. 2:12).
Solomon sat upon the throne of David on the earth and his kingdom which was established was one which was earthly.Now let us look at the Lord's promises made to David in regard to that throne and kingdom:
"I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever...And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever" (2 Sam.7:12-13).
Since the throne and the kingdom were both "earthly" in nature then we can know that God established the earthly throne and the earthly kingdom FOR EVER. God also said that He would not "alter" the promises which He made to David:
"I have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto David my servant...Nevertheless my loving-kindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail. My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips. Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David" (Ps.89:3,33-35).
The preterists say that God did "alter" His promise to David because the "throne of David" was changed from an earthly throne into a heavenly one.
According to them God did lie when He promised David that He would not "alter" his promises because the teaching of some Christians is based on the idea that God changed the throne from an earthly one into a heavenly one.
"My Throne" or the "Father's Throne"?
Gary DeMar says: "Jesus told His disciples that they would see a sign that proved He was in heaven, sitting at His Father's right hand (Acts 2:30-36)...He now occupies David's throne in the heavenly Jerusalem" [emphasis mine] (DeMar, Last Days Madness, 165).
In regard to "David's throne" we read that Gabriel told Mary the following: "He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end" (Lk.1:32,33).
Since Gabriel says that God will give the Lord Jesus the throne of David then that can only mean that David's throne represents "Jesus' throne," a throne that will belong exclusively to Him. However, the following words of the Lord Jesus demonstrate that He is not now sitting in His own throne:
"To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with Me in My throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with My Father in His throne" (Rev.3:21).
The Lord Jesus is not now sitting in His own throne,the "throne of David," but instead is sitting in His Father's throne!
Reign on the Earth
The Lord Jesus will reign in Jerusalem when He reigns from David's throne:
"Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously" (Isa.24:23).
Here we see that when He reigns in Jerusalem "the moon shall be confounded and the sun ashamed." This could not possibly be referring to "heavenly Jerusalem" because there will be no need of the light of the sun there:
"And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever" (Rev.22:5).
Besides that, the Lord Jesus made it plain that He will sit upon His throne when He returns to earth:
"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory" (Mt.25:31).
The following words of Job demonstrate that the Lord Jesus will stand on the earth in the latter day:
"For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God" (Job 19:25-26).
Indeed, the following passage foretells of the time when the Lord will stand upon the earth:
"Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle. On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem" (Zech.14:3-4).
When He will be reigning on the earth His saints will sit with Him in His throne and will reign with Him:
"And hast made us unto our God a kingdom of priests: and we shall reign on the earth" (Rev.5:10).
Since the Christian will reign with Him on the earth and sit with Him on His throne, then it is certain that His throne will be on the earth.
Jerusalem--The Throne of the Lord
The following verse demonstrates that the Lord Jesus will rule from David's Throne in Jerusalem: "At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem" (Jer.3:17).
The prophet Ezekiel says that the Lord brought him to the "land of Israel (Ez.40:2) and was placed on a high mountain where he saw a structure like a city on the south. Then he was brought to a "temple" (41:1) and its "inner court" (43:5) where the Lord spoke to him:
"And He said unto me, son of man, the place of My throne, and the place of the soles of My feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for ever, and my holy name, shall the house of Israel no more defile, neither they, nor their kings, by their whoredom, nor by the carcases of their kings in their high places" (Ez.43:7).
Here the Lord Jesus says that He will "dwell in the midst of the children of Israel". That fits perfectly with another prophecy from the same book of Ezekiel:
"And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob My servant and will set My sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore" (Ez.37:25,26).
Zechariah next defines the dimensions of the city which he saw, and then says: "It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name of the city from that day shall be, The LORD is there" (Ez.48:35).
In the Kingdom men will go to Jerusalem to worship Him: "And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one...And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain" (Zech.14:9,17).
Gary DeMar writes,"To be sure, dispensationalism is one of the many 'modern systems of divinity' in vogue today. And as we will see in our study of Matthew 24:14, dispensationalist commentators do not place themselves in the position of the sacred writers" (DeMar,The Gospel Preached to All the World, Part 1).
As we have shown, Gary DeMar is the one who does not place himself in the position of the sacred writers in regard to the location of the Throne of David....He cannot distinguish the throne of the Father from the throne of David. According to his theology God lied to David because He altered the promises which He made to David that the earthly throne of David was established forever
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In us only who believe ... The law still has power on sinners... It even says somewhere that those that sin under the law shall be judge by the law
Romans 2:12
All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.
So the law is not abolished for sinners who put themselves under the law and break them
Why do you think he calls us out of the world ?... Because satan is the ruler of this world... He will take it back one day
Yep... Because the world is evil and satan is the prince of this world... That will change in the future... And the kingdoms of this world will belong to Christ
Ok .. But I don't know what that had to do with this topic
Yes ..redemption is still to come
And now?..... Know anyone raising the dead and casting out devils?... Know any apostles?... Know any prophets?...we pray and god answers prayers but the gifts are few in us .. We have little strength for now but we don't deny his name
Don't forget fulfill messianic prophecies... Reign 1000 years in Jerusalem rule the world.. Build his temple .. Create world peace... End war and weapons of war ... Rebuilt the cities of Israel enlarge Israel's borders.. Protect Israel and on and on
This is spoken of in the Old Testament as well being a messianic prophecy
Is 65:17
"See, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.
What? An Old Testament prophecy not fulfilled?
I'm guessing That there is a new earth?... Regardless it's still the earth just Renovated ... But Jesus comes 1000 years before the new heaven and new earth
... Yep on mt olives to be sent to Israel as he said .. You will not see me again until??? So Israel will see him again and receive him as kingEstablished in us only ... Not the world.. But when he returns... That will change ...the world too will be under him
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Those who do not have the Holy Spirit do not have that "guarantee" of eternal life.
And "eternal life" means a lot at the end of our lives, whenever that may be.
That is the only "end" time left, friend.
But those only hoping to be completed in the future, miss out on a personal relationship with Jesus Christ in this life, imho.
It's all about His salvation.
They miss the blessings of His salvation by limiting the Lord.
It's a glass half empty philosophy. Always thinking the Lord hasn't done enough.
I'd rather meditate on the Psalms and praise the Lord for what He has done and can do now!
And "eternal life" means a lot at the end of our lives, whenever that may be.
That is the only "end" time left, friend.
But those only hoping to be completed in the future, miss out on a personal relationship with Jesus Christ in this life, imho.
It's all about His salvation.
They miss the blessings of His salvation by limiting the Lord.
It's a glass half empty philosophy. Always thinking the Lord hasn't done enough.
I'd rather meditate on the Psalms and praise the Lord for what He has done and can do now!
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I don't believe Jesus has to do more by my own desires or making it up for my own pleasure...He said it .. It is written to be so ... Promises are promises ... Why make promises if it was not so?.. Take it up with god ... He promised it to us
How do you know you have the Holy Spirit if I may ask?..
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