Full Preterism-Where is the scriptural evidence?

[visionary]

Until the Lord returns.. all is not fulfilled.

 

[martymonster]

Until the Lord returns.. all is not fulfilled.

It is not fulfilled until God is all in all.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

However, beware of the other extreme...Full Futurism.

 

[martymonster]

However, before of the other extreme...Full Futurism.

I believe it was fulfilled, is being fulfilled and will be fulfilled.


Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of the prophecy, and keep the things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
Rev 1:4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from him which is and which was and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

However, before of the other extreme...Full Futurism

I believe it was fulfilled, is being fulfilled and will be fulfilled.

Interesting

It seems there was a thread somewhere concerning "Consistent Preterism" and thought that might be the view you are talking about. Here is what Wiki says on it

Preterism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

*snip*

On the other hand, some Full Preterists prefer to call their position Consistent Preterism, reflecting their extension of Preterism to all biblical prophecy and thus claiming an inconsistency in the Partial Preterist hermeneutic.[28]

Partial preterists may be considered heterodox because they advocate, in effect, two Second Comings, one at A.D. 70 and another at the end of the age. Full preterists, in contrast, conform to the creeds, allowing only one Second Coming.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I have read and read and read the Bible numerous times in search of the answers as to why some people accept the Full Preterist view of prophecy and cannot make sense of any of it. I know there are preterists on this forum and I just want to get an understanding of why you believe what you believe. Any help would be appreciated.

Being that so much time has passed and a number of schisms have obscured view from beginning to end of when Jesus left in the cloud the first time in the book of acts .. I like to consider all possibilities and set them up as opposing parallels as on a wheel .

so here is my attempt to piece together what makes sense to me from this .

First comparing Revelation and the letter of James is helpful for me.

it seems James is sending out his letter to the 144,000 in revelation .

also Paul speaks of the apostles (where his theology allows more than 12 read the letters) being a "firstfruits" and in revelation the 144,000 were also called "firstfruits" i find it nebulous to go with human arguments such as "back then they could actually number the tribes still but now it is impossible" but in finding answers toward a preterist conclusion, we may have a reason why this observation can logically be made.

in order to do this, understanding what the sky is, and all the described environment is from the prophets will be necessary. as you cannot have a preterist conclusion if the sky has not removed itself and God becomes visible to all people, unless the sky is figurative of the tabernacle's veil, in which the psalmist does call the sky His tabernacle .

in the millennium i find questions such as, why did Christianity change "after" 1000AD? intriguing, apparently the word that indicates the reign of Christ with the saints would be "for" a thousand years could very well be "until" a thousand years at which point the deciever cannot be chained in that manner anymore .

also multiple frameworks such as . is the feast of the birds in Revelation 19 and the war of Gog and Magog in Revelation 20 the same event? are interesting as when i first read revelation i saw three such divisions, but initially being taught by a rapturist i soon forgot what that was, perhaps in the future the understanding will return to me .

i've also noticed from the stand point of trying to read any part of revelation from an incorrect premise (i.e. the two 3.5 times of daniel meaning a 7 year peace treaty with Israel) causes multiple divisive conclusions. Revelation 4 says these are future events, but future from the first century . therefore, they could have happened . and they also could be yet to happen again as the Daniel prophecy and the Revelation Prophecy are similar but have different beasts and Revelation presents a new one (the lamb with two horns that speaks as a dragon)

so a lot is at work here. that's what comes to me in relation to this.

 

[Heavens]

I have read and read and read the Bible numerous times in search of the answers as to why some people accept the Full Preterist view of prophecy and cannot make sense of any of it. I know there are preterists on this forum and I just want to get an understanding of why you believe what you believe. Any help would be appreciated.

I'm not a "preterist", having met the first one ever on this forum. But I've read an awful lot of his posts and he is right on with everything so far... what scripture is it that they cite that you disagree with?
Be Blessed!

 

[Heavens]

It is not fulfilled until God is all in all.

This occurs to each of us when, as you stated;

"God's mercy doesn't expire when you do!"

When else would it be lol!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I'm not a "preterist", having met the first one ever on this forum. But I've read an awful lot of his posts and he is right on with everything so far... what scripture is it that they cite that you disagree with?
Be Blessed!

That is the purpose of this thread.

 

[Heavens]

In all my adult years, I've met my first "preterists" on this forum just recently. I have done a lot of reading of their posts and have rejoiced in meeting people who recognize the Spirit in the Word of God. This is a wonderful discovery for me, a lone Scriptura Sola Bible student for 35 years. I am very attracted. I'm excited to know a true body of believers.
I KNOW everything is NOW. I didn't always, of course. It is normal in the beginning to not "see" very well. But it has become evident in time and study and prayer, that "futurism" is simply a blind "natural" or "carnal" view, as the parabolic meaning is hidden from the "wise in their own eyes" people.
Except for the preterist views I've seen on this forum, everyone else I've ever met here without one exception, parrots a "futuristic" interpretation of scriptures based out of what I know as "religious dispensationalism". A set of beliefs of futurism that only leads to confusion and false interpretation of otherwise Beautiful Spiritual reality Now in Christ. I am so so wearied of hearing the devil's doctrine that robs the Church of Her present "New Jerusalem Wife of Jesus" status and gives it to a bunch of Ishmaelite frauds over in the middle east claiming to be "Israel". As a Jew, it was attractive at first, but I yield to the Word of God. True Israel is only in Christ.

Dispensationalism, or "futurism" has never made any sense, even when I believed in it and fellowshipped in those churches. Nor does any of it agree together one church from another, or even one individual to another, let alone comparing scriptures with scriptures and spiritual things with spiritual. Every church has innumerable variants of equally confusing "end-times" ideas.

Full preterists have ONE understanding. They all know what I know and all agree! What an incredible confirmation to me!
What they share is scriptural, so far as I've seen. I'll keep proving it day by day. But even preterists appear to have some "not quite yet understanding" folk I see, they appear to be "partial" preterists, (aka amillenialists??), whom the Lord hasn't yet sunk in enough to recognize the fulness of what is or isn't "yet".
So for the first time ever, I am actually in hope there is a "group" who agree with scriptures that I may possibly enjoy a true fellowship.
Is there actually a "group" or some connection preterists have with each other? I would like to know more and participate in some enlightened discussions and true fellowship
I am sooooo done with hearing all the "prophets" of end times messages.
Somebody please write me or befriend me who can tell me more. Is there a "preterist" group of people who actually meet and fellowship somewhere on this planet? Or at least a more central website than just hit and miss in futurists filled forums? I want to know more of you, please write me
Thank you and God bless you!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I just found this old 6yr old thread and now wonder if it can't be reopened and brought over to the UT board?

http://www.christianforums.com/t2080790/
Full-Preterism vs. the Nicene Creed?

quote OP:I know, no Full-Preterists. But just to let you know, I don't actually disagree with the Nicene Creed at all, which appears to be the problem. I fully believe in Christ's glorious comming. I just believe in a spiritual as opposed to physical, which doesn't contradict the creed by any means. In fact, the creed never even uses the word "physical." After all, isn't the spiritual reality greater than the physical?
However, if you still refuse me the right to share my studies on this forum, you can at least provide an open forum on eschatology.

 

[Notrash]

In all my adult years, I've met my first "preterists" on this forum just recently. I have done a lot of reading of their posts and have rejoiced in meeting people who recognize the Spirit in the Word of God. This is a wonderful discovery for me, a lone Scriptura Sola Bible student for 35 years. I am very attracted. I'm excited to know a true body of believers.
I KNOW everything is NOW. I didn't always, of course. It is normal in the beginning to not "see" very well. But it has become evident in time and study and prayer, that "futurism" is simply a blind "natural" or "carnal" view, as the parabolic meaning is hidden from the "wise in their own eyes" people.
Except for the preterist views I've seen on this forum, everyone else I've ever met here without one exception, parrots a "futuristic" interpretation of scriptures based out of what I know as "religious dispensationalism". A set of beliefs of futurism that only leads to confusion and false interpretation of otherwise Beautiful Spiritual reality Now in Christ. I am so so wearied of hearing the devil's doctrine that robs the Church of Her present "New Jerusalem Wife of Jesus" status and gives it to a bunch of Ishmaelite frauds over in the middle east claiming to be "Israel". As a Jew, it was attractive at first, but I yield to the Word of God. True Israel is only in Christ.

Dispensationalism, or "futurism" has never made any sense, even when I believed in it and fellowshipped in those churches. Nor does any of it agree together one church from another, or even one individual to another, let alone comparing scriptures with scriptures and spiritual things with spiritual. Every church has innumerable variants of equally confusing "end-times" ideas.

Full preterists have ONE understanding. They all know what I know and all agree! What an incredible confirmation to me!
What they share is scriptural, so far as I've seen. I'll keep proving it day by day. But even preterists appear to have some "not quite yet understanding" folk I see, they appear to be "partial" preterists, (aka amillenialists??), whom the Lord hasn't yet sunk in enough to recognize the fulness of what is or isn't "yet".
So for the first time ever, I am actually in hope there is a "group" who agree with scriptures that I may possibly enjoy a true fellowship.
Is there actually a "group" or some connection preterists have with each other? I would like to know more and participate in some enlightened discussions and true fellowship
I am sooooo done with hearing all the "prophets" of end times messages.
Somebody please write me or befriend me who can tell me more. Is there a "preterist" group of people who actually meet and fellowship somewhere on this planet? Or at least a more central website than just hit and miss in futurists filled forums? I want to know more of you, please write me
Thank you and God bless you!

Welcome Heavens,
Thank you for your testimony and encouraging words.

If you do a search for preterist or preterism, you'll find several sites which offer teaching and support. AD70.net is even a preterist radio station.
But the actual formation of meetings are few and rather far between. One website had a list of people who were 'preterists' and were seeking fellowship but I forget which one. I think they have a beginning forum there also.

Perhaps you'll be the one to begin one in your area. You are right in that the spirit of [fulfilled] prophecy is the testimony of Jesus. And many of us share your enthusiasm and opinions. There are a few strong preterists at a board called the bible wheel, but some other aspects of the teachings are questionable.

Full preterism esteems humanity and divinity of the inscription of God within mankind [especially reborn mankind] above even the religion. Thus the application fellowship and worship with those in the preterist understanding may come from outside some of the traditional church structures and systems. We worship in celebration of the new life, and in the returned tribute of our lives to the Spirit.

Many preterists are still reformulating their ideas that have been indoctrinated to them through the years, thus alot of the discussion is centered around interpretation rather than fellowship and application of the kingdom.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Welcome Heavens,
Thank you for your testimony and encouraging words.

If you do a search for preterist or preterism, you'll find several sites which offer teaching and support. AD70.net is even a preterist radio station.
But the actual formation of meetings are few and rather far between. One website had a list of people who were 'preterists' and were seeking fellowship but I forget which one. I think they have a beginning forum there also.

Perhaps you'll be the one to begin one in your area. You are right in that the spirit of [fulfilled] prophecy is the testimony of Jesus. And many of us share your enthusiasm and opinions. There are a few strong preterists at a board called the bible wheel, but some other aspects of the teachings are questionable.

Full preterism esteems humanity and divinity of the inscription of God within mankind [especially reborn mankind] above even the religion. Thus the application fellowship and worship with those in the preterist understanding may come from outside some of the traditional church structures and systems. We worship in celebration of the new life, and in the returned tribute of our lives to the Spirit.

Many preterists are still reformulating their ideas that have been indoctrinated to them through the years, thus alot of the discussion is centered around interpretation rather than fellowship and application of the kingdom.

I still have no clear cut explanation on what full preterism entails or even how CF defines it.
It seems like CF is fine with Partial Preterism and even Amill/Post Mill views.
Tis confusing to me

 

[oworm]

Dispensationalism, or "futurism"

All Dispensationalists are futurists but not all futurists are dispensational!

 

[he-man]

I still have no clear cut explanation on what full preterism entails or even how CF defines it.
It seems like CF is fine with Partial Preterism and even Amill/Post Mill views. Tis confusing to me

Eze 37:13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit <H7307> in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.

It's therefore obvious that Preterism is just another teaching that is filled with doctrinal error and should not be taken seriously.

Partial Preterists do believe in a Second Coming and the resurrection of believers (but not in the Rapture), along with a "Judgment Seat of Christ." They do not believe in a literal Millennium, Battle of Armageddon, literal antichrist, or a role for national Israel.

The Preterism taught today, however, only became popular in the late 20th Century.

Makes one wonder how they justify Matthew 24:21 which states that the period after the "antichrist" signs a seven-year peace treaty with Israel will be the worst time in all of history?

Many scenarios since 70 AD have been far worse than the destruction of 70 AD, including World War II. And ALL NATIONS of the world did not come against Jerusalem in 70 AD...only Rome.

All nations coming against her are to be destroyed....

When were the nations judged as described in Matthew 25:31-46?
The Error of Preterism

Preterism is an interpretation of Christian eschatology which holds that most or all of the biblical prophecies concerning the End Times refer to events which have already happened in the first century after Christ's birth. The system also claims that Ancient Israel finds its continuation or fulfillment in the Christian church at the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70.

The term preterism comes from the Latin praeter, which is listed in Webster's 1913 dictionary as a prefix denoting that something is "past" or "beyond."

This signifies that either all or a majority of Bible prophecy was fulfilled by 70 A.D.

Adherents of Preterism are sometimes known as Preterists.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

In all my adult years, I've met my first "preterists" on this forum just recently. I have done a lot of reading of their posts and have rejoiced in meeting people who recognize the Spirit in the Word of God. This is a wonderful discovery for me, a lone Scriptura Sola Bible student for 35 years. I am very attracted. I'm excited to know a true body of believers.
I KNOW everything is NOW. I didn't always, of course. It is normal in the beginning to not "see" very well. But it has become evident in time and study and prayer, that "futurism" is simply a blind "natural" or "carnal" view, as the parabolic meaning is hidden from the "wise in their own eyes" people.
Except for the preterist views I've seen on this forum, everyone else I've ever met here without one exception, parrots a "futuristic" interpretation of scriptures based out of what I know as "religious dispensationalism". A set of beliefs of futurism that only leads to confusion and false interpretation of otherwise Beautiful Spiritual reality Now in Christ. I am so so wearied of hearing the devil's doctrine that robs the Church of Her present "New Jerusalem Wife of Jesus" status and gives it to a bunch of Ishmaelite frauds over in the middle east claiming to be "Israel". As a Jew, it was attractive at first, but I yield to the Word of God. True Israel is only in Christ.

Dispensationalism, or "futurism" has never made any sense, even when I believed in it and fellowshipped in those churches. Nor does any of it agree together one church from another, or even one individual to another, let alone comparing scriptures with scriptures and spiritual things with spiritual. Every church has innumerable variants of equally confusing "end-times" ideas.

Full preterists have ONE understanding. They all know what I know and all agree! What an incredible confirmation to me!
What they share is scriptural, so far as I've seen. I'll keep proving it day by day. But even preterists appear to have some "not quite yet understanding" folk I see, they appear to be "partial" preterists, (aka amillenialists??), whom the Lord hasn't yet sunk in enough to recognize the fulness of what is or isn't "yet".
So for the first time ever, I am actually in hope there is a "group" who agree with scriptures that I may possibly enjoy a true fellowship.
Is there actually a "group" or some connection preterists have with each other? I would like to know more and participate in some enlightened discussions and true fellowship
I am sooooo done with hearing all the "prophets" of end times messages.
Somebody please write me or befriend me who can tell me more. Is there a "preterist" group of people who actually meet and fellowship somewhere on this planet? Or at least a more central website than just hit and miss in futurists filled forums? I want to know more of you, please write me
Thank you and God bless you!

Orginally Posted by Heavens Dispensationalism, or "futurism"

All Dispensationalists are futurists but not all futurists are dispensational!

Can you elaborate?

...

 

[interpreter]

The second coming was in 312AD when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds, and Jesus came into power through St. Constantine who rode a white horse and conquered with a bow. That day is known as the turning point of history because ever since that day, Christian nations have been the dominant force on earth. And Constantine sent his messengers with a trumpet, and gathered the elect of all the Church together, to Nicea.

 

[Anto9us]

Interpreter - you are entitled to your own view and all of that, but you must admit -- this 312 Constantine jazz is NOT what Full Preterists believe AT ALL.

iow, it's a real off-the-wall view - I'm not trying to put it down, I just don't think people should hold it as an equal viable alternative IN THE HISTORY OF ESCHATOLOGIES as the standard preterism that Book of Revelation is ABOUT The destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD and the "ELEMENTS" (of Mosaic Judaism) completely melting down at that time - yeah - those elements "burnt up with fervent heat" - a good description

How many times can some overlook "coming soon" -- "this generation" -- and all the other IMMINENCE that is involved in 2nd coming scriptures?

I dunno - maybe a whole lifetime - cuz I overlooked it all and dismissed it for six decades

til coming here at CF and Preterists HAD AN ANSWER for every scripture I balked at

they calmly gave answers in the midst of my scoffing about it - and their answers held water

Preterism did NOT come about "just to hurt PreTrib" - that's silly

Full Preterism to me sees everything as fulfilled in 70 A.D.

Constantine is NOTHING in the big picture of Christianity -- 312 is a non-event, a nothing

a human ruler allegedly seeing a sign in the sky that only he saw - the Sanhedrin member didn't see it - the world didn't see it - the tribes of the earth did not wail because of it

nothing happened in 312 because it was all over by 70 AD

a SPIRITUAL victory was won - none of this stuff that "Well, Christianity actually GOT BEAT back then , but bye and bye pie in the sky - its gonna win at some future date!"

nahhh

Jesus won. He said He would return. He did.

All that stuff about "this generation" and "some standing here" --

Jesus wasn't just blowin smoke - it was REAL.

 

[IchoozJC]

Interpreter - you are entitled to your own view and all of that, but you must admit -- this 312 Constantine jazz is NOT what Full Preterists believe AT ALL.

iow, it's a real off-the-wall view - I'm not trying to put it down, I just don't think people should hold it as an equal viable alternative IN THE HISTORY OF ESCHATOLOGIES as the standard preterism that Book of Revelation is ABOUT The destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD and the "ELEMENTS" (of Mosaic Judaism) completely melting down at that time - yeah - those elements "burnt up with fervent heat" - a good description

How many times can some overlook "coming soon" -- "this generation" -- and all the other IMMINENCE that is involved in 2nd coming scriptures?

I dunno - maybe a whole lifetime - cuz I overlooked it all and dismissed it for six decades

til coming here at CF and Preterists HAD AN ANSWER for every scripture I balked at

they calmly gave answers in the midst of my scoffing about it - and their answers held water

Preterism did NOT come about "just to hurt PreTrib" - that's silly

Full Preterism to me sees everything as fulfilled in 70 A.D.

Constantine is NOTHING in the big picture of Christianity -- 312 is a non-event, a nothing

a human ruler allegedly seeing a sign in the sky that only he saw - the Sanhedrin member didn't see it - the world didn't see it - the tribes of the earth did not wail because of it

nothing happened in 312 because it was all over by 70 AD

a SPIRITUAL victory was won - none of this stuff that "Well, Christianity actually GOT BEAT back then , but bye and bye pie in the sky - its gonna win at some future date!"

nahhh

Jesus won. He said He would return. He did.

All that stuff about "this generation" and "some standing here" --

Jesus wasn't just blowin smoke - it was REAL.

Is there any secular evidence that Jesus came back in 70ad? How big of an event was it?