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I agree.
Of course God is able to help with physical needs.
My posts about this were about the phrase:
"I believe poverty is a curse that steals a person's future."
Which I disagree with. Jesus said 'the poor (material poverty) are blessed'.
peace,
Simon
Amen!
Matthew does tell us that Jesus did indeed say the poor in spirit are blessed.
But I was talking about when Jesus also said 'blessed are the poor', which was a reference to material poverty. Recorded by Luke.
Jesus: Blessed are the poor in spirit.
Jesus: Blessed are the poor.
peace,
Simon
Good stuff. And I think the good news extends to materially impoverished.
I am reminded of whom Jesus came to preach, and what He said:
Luke 4:17-19 KJV
17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
So I suppose if we are going to use the Luke version of "blessed are the poor" and take to mean materially impoverish, we will also have to extend that mean to the above verses.
"he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the (materially impoverished)poor;"
Now if the good news to the sick is healing, and the good news to the lost is salvation...
Then what would the "good news to the materially impoverished" mean?
It can only mean salvation from poverty.
Thanks
Dids
Well I did not say rich... I said delivered from poverty. Pay you bills on time. Put food on the table and shoes on the kids feet. Not worry if your paycheck will hit the bank before the checks you wrote... living paycheck to paycheck. Enduring one bout of unemployment after another.But Jesus didn't actually say 'make the poor rich', but instead He pointed out that the other blessings were for the poor. 'Make the poor rich' is not in the text and is entirely speculative on your part.
Furthermore, the next two verses shed additional light:
And he rolled up the scroll and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on him.
And he began to say to them, "Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing."
Luke 4:20-21 ESV
I can show you in scripture where these things were fulfilled, the blind able to see, people delivered, healed and set at liberty, but nowhere do I see the poor made materially rich.
I know God is able to make the poor rich, and He has done it at times; but it is not part of the special anointing spoken of in this passage.
As for the Luke and Matthew "versions", they are nor different versions of the same gathering/sermon; they are similar but different sermons preached at a different time and place.
peace,
Simon
Well I did not say rich... I said delivered from poverty. Pay you bills on time. Put food on the table and shoes on the kids feet. Not worry if your paycheck will hit the bank before the checks you wrote... living paycheck to paycheck. Enduring one bout of unemployment after another.
I have been there. I would rather be in the sickbed than have to face that again.
I am not sure people who have never lived in poverty comprehend just how destructive it can be to a family.
YES... Jesus DOES save you from this.
Having been materially poor. It is not a blessing. It is a curse. It brings hopelessness and shame. There is extreme guilt that you cannot take care of your family. You feel helpless and abandoned. You children come home crying because kids make fun of their thrift shop clothes and ragged sneakers.
One of the worse moments of my life was when my 6 year old came to me crying because he felt hungry.
Please do not tell me poverty is a blessing....
So I suppose if we are going to use the Luke version of "blessed are the poor" and take to mean materially impoverish, we will also have to extend that mean to the above verses.
"he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the (materially impoverished)poor;"
Now if the good news to the sick is healing, and the good news to the lost is salvation...
Then what would the "good news to the materially impoverished" mean?
It can only mean salvation from poverty.
But Jesus didn't actually say 'make the poor rich', but instead He pointed out that the other blessings were for the poor. 'Make the poor rich' is not in the text and is entirely speculative on your part.
Furthermore, the next two verses shed additional light:
And he rolled up the scroll and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on him.
And he began to say to them, "Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing."
Luke 4:20-21 ESV
I can show you in scripture where these things were fulfilled, the blind able to see, people delivered, healed and set at liberty, but nowhere do I see the poor made materially rich.
I know God is able to make the poor rich, and He has done it at times; but it is not part of the special anointing spoken of in this passage.
As for the Luke and Matthew "versions", they are nor different versions of the same gathering/sermon; they are similar but different sermons preached at a different time and place.
peace,
Simon
Joy and fulfillment does not come from doing things to please yourself. Joy and fulfillment comes from helping others.
In Matthew 19, a rich young ruler asked how to be saved.
He was boasting about how he had obeyed the commandments.
The LORD told him to sell all he had, give it to the poor, and then come follow HIM.
The young rich ruler went away sad.
The scripture quote you gave was the LORD'S comments about someone who chose to keep their money, rather than give it all up as the LORD specifically asked him to.
The LORD also said if we give up anything for the kingdom, it will be given back to us 100 fold.
Here it is in entirety in Matthew 19 AND Mark 10:
Matthew 19:16-30 NKJV - Jesus Counsels the Rich Young Ruler - Bible Gateway
Mark 10:17-31 NKJV - Jesus Counsels the Rich Young Ruler - Bible Gateway
Absolutely.Exactly. The Lord may give us back 100 fold, but that does not mean it is in material riches. We are not of this world, just as Jesus was not of this world.
Living for riches of this world is not biblical faith.
That is so incorrect. Almost ludacris. How does poverty on earth hold any kind of a candle to salvation and heaven for eternity. Our time on earth is like a grain of sand on a beach.
The good news is salvation. period. To be healed when Jesus was healing, one had to have faith. The sick get healed as part of the extended good news to them.
To say that the poor need salvation from 'poverty' is really minimizing spending eternity in heaven, rather then hell.
That is a loooongg stretch IMHO.
So God will not save anyone from poverty?
Nowhere did the Lord or the scripture say that you could be saved from hell but not saved from poverty also. It is totally ok on His part that we be saved from both. Just like we can be saved from hell AND healed. It is not an either or proposition.
Blessings
Dids
Often a disconnect of mutual understanding occurs when we have a different idea of what certain things mean --- like being "rich".But Jesus didn't actually say 'make the poor rich', but instead He pointed out that the other blessings were for the poor. 'Make the poor rich' is not in the text and is entirely speculative on your part.
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