Fred Phelps

[CameToLearn]

Runs West Borrow Baptist Church.I see him on TV sometimes and he preaches hate towards homosexuals. I think thats pretty cool, but he says god loves only some people and he doesn't just preach hate against homosexuals because he also hates Amish, soldiers,America, Goths, Sweden, Ireland and the UN.His church is made up mostly of his family and they've done like 40,000 protests at funerals and on the street.He talks about everybody is doomed and how he wants god to kill everybody with AIDS and floods.If you ask me he hates a little to much and has weird ideas, but its good he stands up against the homosexuals.The church is like independent, but they call themselves Baptist so what do you think about them and Phelps.

 

[trinityisunity]

I do believe most people here in the Baptist section would not affiliate themselves with Phelps and his hate campaigns. I have visited his web site and I am appalled at the hatred towards gays, soldiers or anyone else who challenges his beliefs. The guy is a 'nutter'. That's being nice! It is ok to hate the sin but I do not believe God hates the sinner. Otherwise we all would be on that list-we all have sinned!I saw an interview here in Australia a few months ago and he literally had a go at the lady who interviewed him. There seems to be a lack of love eminating from that church.

 

[nzguy]

man.. we aren't to condemn others in that way.. especially since Christ allows salvation for absolutely anyone.. gay, murderers, alchoholics, sexual abusers etc.. they can all get the free gift of salvation readily available for anyone who genuinely asks Christ into their lives for salvation!

Jesus sat with these kind of people, and preached to them most.. because they knew they were sinners and were open to Jesus' healing words..

He was most pointed toward people who tried to put down others and who were being self-righteous.

No-one is perfect.. and God is the judge of people's sin.. not us. We can set down boundaries for people.. like if they practice homosexuality not letting them be a member of our church we go to.. but that isn't condemnation it is healthy boundaries.

 

[The Bubba]

This guy is appalling. I am ashamed that he calls himself a Texan. I love how when he is at funerals protesting, that there is a group of bikers who rev their bikes up when he tries to speak. I spit on this guy for decimating the honour of our fallen soldiers.

 

[ImmersionX]

This guy is an embarrassment to all of true Christianity!!!! Don't get me started on this loser.

God Bless.

 

[TimRout]

Indeed. Phelps makes many Baptist...including myself...scratch our heads in utter disbelief.

 

[arunma]

Runs West Borrow Baptist Church.I see him on TV sometimes and he preaches hate towards "[wash my mouth]".I think thats pretty cool, but he says god loves only some people and he doesn't just preach hate against homos because he also hates Amish, soldiers,America, Goths, Sweden, Ireland and the UN.

I beg to differ. That's not pretty cool. Fred Phelps' hatred of homosexuals is disgusting and unbiblical. I believe the Bible when it says that homosexuality is a sin. I will be the first to say that homosexual pastors and other unrepentant homosexuals should be put out of the church until they give up their sin, and that the church should stand firmly against homosexual "marriage." I also believe the Bible when it commands us to love sinners. If you are washed by the blood of Jesus Christ, then how can you say that you are any better than a homosexual sinner? If you or I are no better than a homosexual, then preaching hatred towards a homosexual cannot be tolerated.

Any pastor who preaches hatred of men made in the image of God should be put out of the church. Fred Phelps isn't a Christian. His hateful doctrine ought not to even be entertained on this forum.

 

[TwistTim]

Sounds like a Polticial Ad.... but.....

Fred Phelps wrong on Soliders, wrong on America, Wrong on the Amish, Wrong on Goths

Fred Phelps has the right idea, that Homosexuality is a sin.... but is wrong to say it's the greatest sin of the land.... unbelief in Jesus Christ is.

Fred Phelps wrong for America, wrong for Pastor.

also.....

He Spews Hatred, wrath and indigination with every sentance he utters, He does not preach that Salvation is open, or that Repentance is free to all, His Family is just as hate filled as he is.... He views America as having replaced Israel in Prophecy.... He views His Church as the One True Church (All Others are Heretics)....

He is not Baptist, and he is not a Christian.... he needs prayer, not support....

 

[Ave Maria]

Fred Phelps is disgusting. His hatred toward others is absolutely revolting. Now don't get me wrong, I do believe that homosexuality is a sin and I am totally against homosexual pastors and such but I don't hate homosexuals.

 

[LovebirdsFlying]

Excuse me, OP--It's *good* and *cool* that he stands up against the homosexuals?

It is one thing to call something a sin, in accordance with the scriptures. It is another thing entirely to hate. It is not "good" and it is not "cool."

Fred Phelps is a caricature of a Christian.

 

[WarEagle]

Runs West Borrow Baptist Church.

Please stop calling them Baptists. They're not Baptists. They use that name dishonestly, without any regard for the Baptist Distinctives, Baptist doctrine, history, or legacy.

The church is like independent, but they call themselves Baptist so what do you think about them and Phelps.

I think they need to repent and get right with God and, frankly, if you think what they're doing is "cool", you need to repent and get right with God, too.

 

[LovebirdsFlying]

Furthermore, it's Westboro, not West Borrow. Just for education's sake.

 

[Izdaari Eristikon]

:o

Phelps and his church are utterly appalling, and an insult and an embarrassment to all Christians, and to all Americans.

 

[bbbbbbb]

It always pains me as a non-Baptist to have to explain to non-Chrisitans that Mr. Phelps is not only nothing at all like a true Baptist or a true Christan, but that he is a complete nutter who should be locked away.

 

[The Bubba]

Whenever this dude passes, instead of protesters, I bet there will be a cheer section waiting

 

[WarEagle]

Whenever this dude passes, instead of protesters, I bet there will be a cheer section waiting

I would certainly hope not by Christians.

 

[TwistTim]

Whenever this dude passes, instead of protesters, I bet there will be a cheer section waiting

Two wrongs don't make a right bro... much as I might feel that way.... if he does not repent of his sins.... he's going to hell faster than Hitler.... cause he's misusing God, and causing many to go away from Christianity..... no, his passing will be a sad thing indeed....

I do hope that people will take that opportunity not to rejoice... but to witness about the True Gospel.....

Repentance and Faith
Law and Grace
Truth and Love

 

[LovebirdsFlying]

Whenever this dude passes, instead of protesters, I bet there will be a cheer section waiting

Actually, I *was* visualizing picketers....

But alas, you're right, TwistTim, two wrongs and all that.

 

[sthatting]

I would like to say one thing because I've done some research on him out of mere curiosity.

Yes, he's not a mainstream Baptist, and yes, his campaigns may be of hatred, but I've listened to a couple of his sermons and read some of his pdf files on the website and they have some interesting points of view. For one thing, one of the central doctrines is predestination (both the elect and reprobation... but mostly reprobation; hence "God doesn't love everybody. Whether it's true or not is another story).

You might also look into their history. Some homosexuals were meeting up anonymously near the church. One of Fred's sons was chased around by some homosexuals in the park (where they were meeting up). I suppose it would be safe to say that they are a product of their environment.

Anyway, that's all the fact I have about them other than their protest. The rest is all opinion.

 

[TwistTim]

That is a Perverted Calvinism. "God saves a few to prove his love. decided to make the other souls so they would go straight to hell to prove his greatness. This is all without consent of your knowing, if you are saved, you are, if not, have a nice hell." For a Truer understanding of Calvinism.... go look at the Wiki page.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvinism

and a lot of Modern Reformers hold to Monergism....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monergism

(Not reality, Hypothetical Scenario's to follow)
Let's say I was beat up by a Catholic as a kid, would that give me the right to go around condeming all Catholics as Violent People?
Or I was once served a Bad Hamburger and got food poisoning thanks to a man who was openly having an affair..... would that be justification for going on the war path against Affairs?

no, while I don't believe Catholics teach true Doctrine.... and while Adultery is clearly a sin that God majorly condemns (it's in the 10 Commandments after all)..... I have no right to condemn a whole group because of the actions of a select few....

it is a fine line to walk between showing the world their sins and false doctrines and condemning the rest of the world to hell because they are not already as they should be.... we need to be careful we never get so bogged down in legalism we do that, or we are no better.....
I saw this fully aware, I myself am not innocent of this practice.....