Fossil Record not consistent with Global Flood

[Hieronymus]

Regardless as to how sacrilegious you view it, you have to admit, it draws you in, and you want to keep reading it just for the fact of how novel it is. In my opinion, it makes for a much more fun read than the actual bible.

It's not about entertainment, you see.

 

[Hieronymus]

The same one as you. Aman777 has the best bible interpretation...

Aha, you're an expert now?
I suggest you actually read what it says, and then claim that he has read what it says.
Genesis 1

 

[TLK Valentine]

It's not about entertainment, you see.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Aha, you're an expert now?
I suggest you actually read what it says, and then claim that he has read what it says.
Genesis 1

Why did you quote-mine Sarah?

 

[Aman777]

Hmm, I wonder what the Aman777 version of Revelation would be like?

IF you truly understand Genesis Chapter One, you understand that the entire 6 Day History of the Creation of the 3rd Heaven is contained in it's 31 verses. Revelation adds details to the History told in Genesis chapter one of the events which will come AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth, a FUTURE event.

The details shown in Revelation tell us the details of Christ's return to this Earth at the end of the present 6th Day. This is shown in Gen 1:28-31 which tells us that dominion or rule over every other living creature is given to mankind (Adam) AFTER Jesus returns. At that time, Christians will assume our true position and we will Judge Angels 1Co 6:3 and for the FIRST time fulfill our destiny which God knew thousands of years ago.

Then Jesus will change every other living creature into a Vegetarian. Gen 1:30 and then God will say, It is very good. Good to God means perfect. God's Creation will finally be perfect and God will rest, which is to CEASE His work of Creating. He CEASES to create because His perfect Heaven is brought to perfection and filled with ALL of its host as this verse confirms:

Gen 2:1 ¶ Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, (Heb-brought to perfection) and ALL the host of them.

The last sinner that will be saved is among the "host" of Heaven. The Church or the body of believers in Jesus Christ would NOT be complete without them. Amen?

 

[Hieronymus]

Why did you quote-mine Sarah?

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I quoted a reply of hers to something i said.

 

[TLK Valentine]

?
I quoted a reply of hers to something i said.

But you deliberately removed the context of her quote... why did you do that?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Aha, you're an expert now?
I suggest you actually read what it says, and then claim that he has read what it says.
Genesis 1

Well, you quote mined me a bit there. I said his was the best if what you are looking for is a fun read. I do think he has read the bible, based on my interactions with him on this site over the course of more than a year. And, his interpretation has just barely enough literal material from the bible in it to support the idea that he has read it.

In my opinion, it is way more fun to debate him with the context of treating his biblical interpretation as legitimate than it is to flip out and get butthurt over how odd it is, or denounce him completely. I don't think he is going to change his mind about his interpretation of the bible any time soon, and there are already tons of people rude to him about it. Although, if you have ever wondered what religions sound like to nonbelievers, your reaction to his interpretation will likely be a close approximation.

Correct me if I get a detail wrong, Aman777, about your biblical interpretation:
There are many worlds that god has made. The world Noah lived in was not the world that we know and love, but a much smaller one. When the flood occurred, it was dunked into a lake, and was utterly destroyed, with only the inhabitants of the ark surviving. Noah and his family were of a perfect hominid race, but there were other prehistoric peoples in the world Noah and his family found themselves in. Thanks to interbreeding with these people, the successive generations were not as long lived as those previously, but they retained the intelligence granted to Noah and family by god. These are the first "modern humans" as we understand them; hybrids between the people truly made in the image of god, and animal species that resembled that one closely, such as Neanderthals, and the connection to Noah in our lineage is the reason why we are an intelligent species.


Oh yes, I didn't even memorize it intentionally; it just sticks in my brain for how different it is. Obviously, this isn't all of it, but it is the part I remember the best.

 

[Hieronymus]

But you deliberately removed the context of her quote

Yes, i see, you're right.
Sorry.

 

[Hieronymus]

Well, you quote mined me a bit there. I said his was the best if what you are looking for is a fun read.

Yes, i see now.
I should have ignored it altogether, because it's not about entertainment.
Sorry.

 

[Aman777]

Correct me if I get a detail wrong, Aman777, about your biblical interpretation:
There are many worlds that god has made.

At least 3 Universes or firmaments within our Multi-verse.

*** The world Noah lived in was not the world that we know and love, but a much smaller one.

Yes, since it had only 4 Rivers and was only 22.5 feet in elevation on the top of its highest mountains. Gen 7:20

*** When the flood occurred, it was dunked into a lake, and was utterly destroyed, with only the inhabitants of the ark surviving.

The solid firmament, which protected Adam's Earth, from the water which surrounded it Gen 1:6-8 was placed in Lake Van, Turkey sometime before 9k BC. When the windows on top were opened, the firmament sank in the Lake releasing the 450 ft long Ark into our world.

*** Noah and his family were of a perfect hominid race, but there were other prehistoric peoples in the world Noah and his family found themselves in. Thanks to interbreeding with these people, the successive generations were not as long lived as those previously, but they retained the intelligence granted to Noah and family by god.

Noah was a direct descendant of Adam who was made with an intelligence like God's Gen 3:22. Noah was the first Human to step foot on the present Earth. Adam lived and died on the world which was totally destroyed in the flood. ll Peter 3:6

*** These are the first "modern humans" as we understand them; hybrids between the people truly made in the image of god, (Adam) and animal species that resembled that one closely, such as Neanderthals, and the connection to Noah in our lineage is the reason why we are an intelligent species.

We INHERITED our superior intelligence from Adam was was the First and only living being made on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4-7 Without his unique intelligence one cannot be a Human being. We also INHERITED our DNA and ERVs from the common ancestor of Apes, on this Planet, because Noah's grandsons had No other Humans to marry. Gen 6:4 Gen 10:8 They married prehistoric people who were already on planet Earth when the Ark arrived and produced the 7 Billion Humans (descendants of Adam) alive today.

 

[PsychoSarah]

IF you truly understand Genesis Chapter One, you understand that the entire 6 Day History of the Creation of the 3rd Heaven is contained in it's 31 verses. Revelation adds details to the History told in Genesis chapter one of the events which will come AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth, a FUTURE event.

Oh, but I eagerly await your personal interpretation of Revelations, complete with quotes from that biblical text rather than primarily Genesis. Pretty please?

The details shown in Revelation tell us the details of Christ's return to this Earth at the end of the present 6th Day. This is shown in Gen 1:28-31 which tells us that dominion or rule over every other living creature is given to mankind (Adam) AFTER Jesus returns. At that time, Christians will assume our true position and we will Judge Angels 1Co 6:3 and for the FIRST time fulfill our destiny which God knew thousands of years ago.

Only thousands of years ago? Shouldn't it be billions, based on your biblical interpretation?

Then Jesus will change every other living creature into a Vegetarian. Gen 1:30 and then God will say, It is very good. Good to God means perfect. God's Creation will finally be perfect and God will rest, which is to CEASE His work of Creating. He CEASES to create because His perfect Heaven is brought to perfection and filled with ALL of its host as this verse confirms:

Gen 2:1 ¶ Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, (Heb-brought to perfection) and ALL the host of them.

The last sinner that will be saved is among the "host" of Heaven. The Church or the body of believers in Jesus Christ would NOT be complete without them. Amen?

1. When you say every other, do you mean that humans are excluded from forcibly becoming vegetarians?

2. Seeing as Revelations has the world ending in a holy blaze, why would YHWH finish its creation only to destroy it about a thousand years after?

3. I see no reason to assume that YHWH wouldn't create anything after that, or just continuously create planets with life on them.

 

[PsychoSarah]

At least 3 Universes or firmaments within our Multi-verse.

*** The world Noah lived in was not the world that we know and love, but a much smaller one.

Yes, since it had only 4 Rivers and was only 22.5 feet in elevation on the top of its highest mountains. Gen 7:20

*** When the flood occurred, it was dunked into a lake, and was utterly destroyed, with only the inhabitants of the ark surviving.

The solid firmament, which protected Adam's Earth, from the water which surrounded it Gen 1:6-8 was placed in Lake Van, Turkey sometime before 9k BC. When the windows on top were opened, the firmament sank in the Lake releasing the 450 ft long Ark into our world.

*** Noah and his family were of a perfect hominid race, but there were other prehistoric peoples in the world Noah and his family found themselves in. Thanks to interbreeding with these people, the successive generations were not as long lived as those previously, but they retained the intelligence granted to Noah and family by god.

Noah was a direct descendant of Adam who was made with an intelligence like God's Gen 3:22. Noah was the first Human to step foot on the present Earth. Adam lived and died on the world which was totally destroyed in the flood. ll Peter 3:6

*** These are the first "modern humans" as we understand them; hybrids between the people truly made in the image of god, (Adam) and animal species that resembled that one closely, such as Neanderthals, and the connection to Noah in our lineage is the reason why we are an intelligent species.

We INHERITED our superior intelligence from Adam was was the First and only living being made on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4-7 Without his unique intelligence one cannot be a Human being. We also INHERITED our DNA and ERVs from the common ancestor of Apes, on this Planet, because Noah's grandsons had No other Humans to marry. Gen 6:4 Gen 10:8 They married prehistoric people who were already on planet Earth when the Ark arrived and produced the 7 Billion Humans (descendants of Adam) alive today.

Ooo, I was pretty darn close there

Although, given that there were "prehistoric peoples" already there that weren't from the same world as Noah and his family, is it safe to assume that other fauna were there as well, and if so, do you view the animals saved on the ark as similarly superior forms of similar creatures that come from this world? Or was saving them symbolic?

 

[Hieronymus]

Oh, but I eagerly await your personal interpretation of Revelations, complete with quotes from that biblical text rather than primarily Genesis. Pretty please?

Do it by personal message or start a new pointless topic.
Pretty please?

 

[Aman777]

Oh, but I eagerly await your personal interpretation of Revelations, complete with quotes from that biblical text rather than primarily Genesis. Pretty please?

Only thousands of years ago? Shouldn't it be billions, based on your biblical interpretation?

God knew it Billions of years ago, but it wasn't written for mankind until some 3k years ago.

>>>1. When you say every other, do you mean that humans are excluded from forcibly becoming vegetarians?

Humans will be like Jesus and the people left on Earth will NOT kill to eat.
Isa 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain, saith the LORD.

*** 2. Seeing as Revelations has the world ending in a holy blaze, why would YHWH finish its creation only to destroy it about a thousand years after?

I believe that Christians will spend those thousand years gathering the sons of God (prehistoric people) from all over the Cosmos and take them to the 3rd Heaven where we will live AFTER the present world is burned.

*** 3. I see no reason to assume that YHWH wouldn't create anything after that, or just continuously create planets with life on them.

YHWH is Jesus and He has NO reason to create AFTER His creation is made perfect. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is DEATH. 1Co 15:26 So long as we have Funeral Homes death remains but it will be destroyed when the present world is burned ll Peter 3:10 at the end of the present 6th Day.

 

[Aman777]

Ooo, I was pretty darn close there

Although, given that there were "prehistoric peoples" already there that weren't from the same world as Noah and his family, is it safe to assume that other fauna were there as well, and if so, do you view the animals saved on the ark as similarly superior forms of similar creatures that come from this world? Or was saving them symbolic?

Other fauna was on Adam's Earth since the Ark was made of "gopher wood" which does not grow on Planet Earth. NO wood on Planet Earth would float like gopher wood did. I view that animals on the Ark as some of those who descended from the creatures made by the Hands of Jesus, at the beginning of the 6th Day which Adam named. Gen 2:19 I also believe the act was symbolic to show the Love God has for all animals. This indicates that innocent animals will also be among the host of Heaven. Amen?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Yes, i see now.
I should have ignored it altogether, because it's not about entertainment.
Sorry.

Yeah, but in case his rather... unconventional interpretation of scripture makes you think he hasn't read it, I challenge that assumption. He defends his stuff very consistently, and doesn't just use Genesis for it. Whether his defense of his interpretation makes any sense to people besides him isn't all that relevant; I have seen his reasoning, and if I force it, can see how the quotes could be seen from his perspective. How he got to the initial start of that interpretation is a mystery to me, though.

It's also a novel experience to talk to him, because he's the only person on here for which I can't get a feel for how well informed he is on any given subject. Plus, nearly every argument he uses I've heard from him first, and many only from him. I guess I benefit from the fact that I am not a believer, so I can't be insulted by his interpretation of the bible being different from the mainstream to the extent that it is.

I can at least confirm two very important things to consider in debates with him: he's not insane, and he does believe as he says. If you debate him about morality or ethics, his positions reflect those similar to a very moderate Christian, and even when his biblical interpretation gets at its most surreal, the message of his posts are ordered chaos. Basically, if the bible was written exactly as he interprets it without question, he'd consistently make sense to most people. Not that his arguments are always good, just that one can see the reasoning behind them.

Debating him isn't pointless either, because he makes for great debate practice. As in, no matter what position you have, he'll typically treat you with just as much respect as you give him, no matter how strong the disagreement is. That's exceedingly rare on this site. He's also very consistent, so there isn't a lot of room for easy moves such as putting his own words against him if you aren't challenging how he interprets the bible directly.

 

[Hieronymus]

Yeah, but in case his rather... unconventional interpretation of scripture makes you think he hasn't read it, I challenge that assumption.

He says things that aren't there, so what does that imply?
It implies it's not even an interpretation but just conjecture.

 

[PsychoSarah]

God knew it Billions of years ago, but it wasn't written for mankind until some 3k years ago.

Why wait so long for a written document about it, when written language existed far longer than that?

Humans will be like Jesus and the people left on Earth will NOT kill to eat.
Isa 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain, saith the LORD.

Ok, so humans are not excluded from that, gotcha.

I believe that Christians will spend those thousand years gathering the sons of God (prehistoric people) from all over the Cosmos and take them to the 3rd Heaven where we will live AFTER the present world is burned.

To space! so in your view, going to the 3rd heaven does not require that the physical body dies?

YHWH is Jesus and He has NO reason to create AFTER His creation is made perfect. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is DEATH. 1Co 15:26 So long as we have Funeral Homes death remains but it will be destroyed when the present world is burned ll Peter 3:10 at the end of the present 6th Day.

So in your view, humans on earth are a group chosen for the purpose of gathering all the people in the universe over the course of 1,000 years in preparation for the final curtain call on the plane of existence that we are familiar with? A rather tall order, would it not make sense for there to be multiple planets populated with people that exist for this purpose?

Also, why not work on an entirely new creation, to pass the time if nothing else.

 

[PsychoSarah]

He says things that aren't there, so what does that imply?
It implies it's not even an interpretation but just conjecture.

Yes, but it's not the type of conjecture that a person makes without reading the original material. He's, at worst, stretching the meanings of the verses beyond reason. I've seen him explain his thought process enough times to deem it unlikely that he isn't at least loosely basing his thoughts on the actual text. Obviously, it is difficult for me to convince you that my confidence in that regard is valid, but the nicer you are to him, the more willing he is to explain himself.

One of the best ways to make sense of his biblical interpretation is to look at it as separate pieces and incorporate them into a more standard biblical interpretation. For example, he believes the days in Genesis weren't literally 24 hours, but many, many years. This is actually a very common idea held by Old Earth Creationists, and seeing as the bible doesn't detail the length of time enough to disprove the idea, it's not crazy by any means to think as much. It's a way of rationalizing how the planet dates as old, but the creation story is measured as if it isn't: the measurement in Genesis is vague enough to reconcile the two.

That's what most of his biblical interpretation is; rampant reconciling between the bible and observations. Not enough water for the Earth we know to get flooded? Noah's world must have been a different one than ours. Then how did humans end up here/how does the story relate to us? His world was flooded using water from our world. Well, how would that work? Noah's world was small enough to be submerged in a lake, and so on and so forth. Lots of Christians do stuff like that, especially educated ones. But, if someone with gaps in information on scientific observations were to do it, I would imagine the results would be very odd. The weirder part is, if a gap in knowledge is the reason why Aman777's biblical reconciliation reached such odd conclusions, it's not in regards to evolutionary theory, because his weird interpretation is partly based in some of the finer details associated with the theory and he's not misusing them.