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Fossil Record not consistent with Global Flood

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Actually, we can date rocks not stratified.
Iḿ not impressed with the assumed accuracy of that.
Reasonable doubts have been raised, and it's rather suspicious that 'they' don't tell us about that.
 
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Actually, we can accurately date rocks not stratified.

Maybe that explains how dating fossils by dating the rocks they are found with, can lead to fallacy. If you have a flood for example, and the old rocks, dirt, and new fossils all mix together, how then can you date the fossil by the age of the rock? What about volcanic activity as well? Wouldn't the volcanic ash settle and create another layer of earth as well? And would the rocks found with that ash layer be newer than other rocks? Perhaps i am in need of correction, is so please advise. I'm not a scientist.
 
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Iḿ not impressed with the assumed accuracy of that.
Reasonable doubts have been raised, and it's rather suspicious that 'they' don't tell us about that.
As we have already established, you have absolutely no understanding of the science, though. These "reasonable doubts" are not reasonable any more - they're PRATT. If they were reasonable, they would be published in the peer-reviewed literature, and we wouldn't have a nearly universal consensus among people who do understand and have studied the subject (you in the cheap seats, put your hand down - spending half a day reading Answers in Genesis is not the same thing as spending 4 years at a university).
 
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So it seems like you agree that Christians should hold to a global flood.
I am not near WiFi at all today, do you have a source that is not a YouTube video for your position about this lake and the firmament and the ark etc?
Why does everyone seem to think that YouTube is not a valid source for information.

I think it is time to wake up and realize that, yes, You Tube is full of crap and videos of kids posting their friend doing some stupid trick or stunt. It is also rife with some guy or woman sitting at their computer and spouting drivel about all sorts of nonsense or their view.

However, You Tube is also a fantastic source or legitimate documentaries, seminars, and talks on everything from medical topics, educational presentations and a whole gamut of real, solid, and true information on almost any topic.

I can learn how to replace the wheel bearing on my car or a headlight, I can watch how to replace the battery in my cell phone that does not have a owner removable battery, I can see how to make a perfect sophisticated meal.

So, if I post a link to a You Tube site, many will guffaw and shoot it down. All because and only because it has You Tube in front of it....

Well, wake up people. You Tube is a wealth of information that is solid truth and delivered by well educated and accredited people.

As I said, I am well aware of the overwhelming amount of purely useless gigabytes of video and jaw wagging. However, even the TV station put shows on that range from real time political debates, sports events, live weather phenomenon, breaking news, amber alerts all the way down to shows like Sponge Bob...

So, again, all media is a tool. Don't be a tool yourself and dismiss good solid information all because you don't agree with it or it contradicts your view so you decide to write it off by spouting "ya, pffffft, it's You tube dude, I don't believe it".
 
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As we have already established, you have absolutely no understanding of the science, though. These "reasonable doubts" are not reasonable any more - they're PRATT. If they were reasonable, they would be published in the peer-reviewed literature, and we wouldn't have a nearly universal consensus among people who do understand and have studied the subject (you in the cheap seats, put your hand down - spending half a day reading Answers in Genesis is not the same thing as spending 4 years at a university).

If I remember back that far, university was spent A/ listening to some tenured person talking on and on about other peoples studies, findings, research, opinions and conclusions, in some lecture hall with 100 or so other empty minds looking to be filled with knowledge. And B/ spending hours on end leafing through reams of books and texts, reading about other people's research and conclusions. And C/ time in a lab of some sort, doing simple test work and lab activities that supposedly backed up said lectures and writings.

The problem with this is.........it leaves the paying student open to be filled with truth mixed with half truth and lies of the academic monster with no time to have it validated.

Universities and other institutions around the world pour all of this information into waiting and open minds of all of the students.

These students then study and memorize this information ad nauseum during sleepless nights in a caffeine induced state of alertness so they can regurgitate said "truth" and "facts" on a piece of paper in order to earn their degree.

The thing is, 99.9 percent of all the gunk that a kid gets crammed into their head during post secondary education is never ever checked by the student themselves to test to see if it is, in fact, truth.

All over the world, kids pay to be force fed data, that is repeated back. Nowhere is the truth questioned.

This is the information machine that cranks out hundreds of thousands of students who have heads swelled with what they believe to be truth. Thing is, they have no way to filter out the real truth from the lies.

They believe that "it must be true because they could not teach it if it wasn't"

This creates an epidemic of false understanding and a perfect tool in which to mold the children and future leaders of this world with nothing more than false truth.

This is why evolution is take for such a solid doctrine. The masses are infused with it, the masses perpetuate it, the academic powers refuse to allow anything but this be taught. Then the masses ridicule any other explanation.

This is the tool of the enemy and millions of people believe without even questioning what they are hearing.
 
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So, if I post a link to a You Tube site, many will guffaw and shoot it down. All because and only because it has You Tube in front of it....

When I'm at work, I can occasionally browse the forums*, but I can't watch youtube videos (or at least, can't listen to the sound). I'm sure there are others. Youtube videos also don't allow you the courtesy of skimming to the relevant bits, unless the person linking to the video does it for you. Not that youtube is inherently a poor source, but it, like all sources, should be taken with a grain of salt.


*Have you ever tried installing Autodesk software on an old computer? Takes forever.
 
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Why does everyone seem to think that YouTube is not a valid source for information.

I think it is time to wake up and realize that, yes, You Tube is full of crap and videos of kids posting their friend doing some stupid trick or stunt. It is also rife with some guy or woman sitting at their computer and spouting drivel about all sorts of nonsense or their view.

However, You Tube is also a fantastic source or legitimate documentaries, seminars, and talks on everything from medical topics, educational presentations and a whole gamut of real, solid, and true information on almost any topic.

I can learn how to replace the wheel bearing on my car or a headlight, I can watch how to replace the battery in my cell phone that does not have a owner removable battery, I can see how to make a perfect sophisticated meal.

So, if I post a link to a You Tube site, many will guffaw and shoot it down. All because and only because it has You Tube in front of it....

Well, wake up people. You Tube is a wealth of information that is solid truth and delivered by well educated and accredited people.

As I said, I am well aware of the overwhelming amount of purely useless gigabytes of video and jaw wagging. However, even the TV station put shows on that range from real time political debates, sports events, live weather phenomenon, breaking news, amber alerts all the way down to shows like Sponge Bob...

So, again, all media is a tool. Don't be a tool yourself and dismiss good solid information all because you don't agree with it or it contradicts your view so you decide to write it off by spouting "ya, pffffft, it's You tube dude, I don't believe it".

You're right, there is a wealth of information on youtube, much of it valid and well presented. Personally, I don't feel it's of much use in an online debate such as this one though. I'm sure no one's got a problem with members suggesting recommended viewing, if someone makes an assertion though and then posts an hour long video when asked to present evidence of their claim, why should whoever's arguing with them have to spend an hour watching the video, taking notes , checking facts and forming rebuttals to an hour's worth of presentation. It's lazy debating.
 
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If I remember back that far, university was spent A/ listening to some tenured person talking on and on about other peoples studies, findings, research, opinions and conclusions, in some lecture hall with 100 or so other empty minds looking to be filled with knowledge. And B/ spending hours on end leafing through reams of books and texts, reading about other people's research and conclusions. And C/ time in a lab of some sort, doing simple test work and lab activities that supposedly backed up said lectures and writings.

The problem with this is.........it leaves the paying student open to be filled with truth mixed with half truth and lies of the academic monster with no time to have it validated.

Universities and other institutions around the world pour all of this information into waiting and open minds of all of the students.

These students then study and memorize this information ad nauseum during sleepless nights in a caffeine induced state of alertness so they can regurgitate said "truth" and "facts" on a piece of paper in order to earn their degree.

The thing is, 99.9 percent of all the gunk that a kid gets crammed into their head during post secondary education is never ever checked by the student themselves to test to see if it is, in fact, truth.

All over the world, kids pay to be force fed data, that is repeated back. Nowhere is the truth questioned.

This is the information machine that cranks out hundreds of thousands of students who have heads swelled with what they believe to be truth. Thing is, they have no way to filter out the real truth from the lies.

They believe that "it must be true because they could not teach it if it wasn't"

This creates an epidemic of false understanding and a perfect tool in which to mold the children and future leaders of this world with nothing more than false truth.

This is why evolution is take for such a solid doctrine. The masses are infused with it, the masses perpetuate it, the academic powers refuse to allow anything but this be taught. Then the masses ridicule any other explanation.

This is the tool of the enemy and millions of people believe without even questioning what they are hearing.
What an impressive amount of evidence you've provided to back up your assertions! Well shoot, it sure is a good thing that the vast, vast majority of PhD biologists, geologists, physicists, chemists, <insert any more fields you think have some sort of global, century-long conspiracy to hide the truth> stay in academia after they've finished their degrees, never do any experiments or expeditions while in academia, never go out to do any science of their own, and certainly avoid research that can test and potentially prove the leading hypotheses wrong or the creationist PRATTs correct.

Wait, hold on, I'm being informed that's not what happens at all. Also the guy who informed me seemed to have a bit of a nasty temper about the issue. Rather, many of these people spend an awful lot of time working in the field, applying what they've learned to do things like, say, discover oil.

http://ageofrocks.org/2015/02/08/can-young-earth-creationists-find-oil/

Every major oil company employs kinetic models in their search for hydrocarbons, based on the techniques that I have described above. Since these models assume that we correctly know the age of rocks and their temperature history, petroleum exploration provides us with millions of ongoing scientific tests, which collectively could disprove the conventional geologic timescale and confirm the young-Earth paradigm.

Of course, they don’t.

Instead, the widespread success of oil and gas exploration is perhaps the greatest testament to the accuracy of our age estimates. If the geologic column were created within the past 6,000 years, then no oil or gas should be found today, for the same reason you can’t make a medium-rare pot roast in only 30 seconds. By asserting that the age of rocks is somehow irrelevant to exploration techniques, Dr. Snelling has essentially told every cook to throw out their timers. But I think you all know better than this, and for that matter, so does Andrew Snelling.​

Or help treat deadly diseases:


Or find out more about our planet. The fact of the matter is that if your conspiracy theory (and it's up there with the "aliens did 9/11" folks, make no mistake) held up, we would not see useful results from the science. But we do. I mean, what do you expect? Science is typically results-driven. In fact, it's exactly this kind of work in the field that led Glenn Morton to realize that young earth creationism was intellectually bankrupt, and very nearly led him to abandon his faith altogether. But of course, the reason why every university in the world teaches this stuff and not a single one uses ICR as a source is because they're all just anti-Christian. Riiiiight.
 
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I'm not super worried about the last days since Jesus said they would happen before his generation had died... They are all dead so I guess the last days are over.
In any case I asked you if you had any source for your assertion that there is a strange spiral under that Lake and your subsequent assertions that it must be the firmament etc. I can't watch long YouTube videos right now so if you have enough anything else it would be appreciated :)

Science may have just had it's first glimpse of the 3rd Heaven's Light:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ight-spots-Big-Bang-universe-bumping-own.html

Christians NEVER die according to Jesus. Jhn 11:26 They are with Him awaiting their perfect bodies which they will receive just BEFORE the people who remain alive at His coming at the Rapture:

1Th 4:16 For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

ALL Humans (descendants of Adam) live and die on the present 6th Day/Age. We live today at Gen 1:27 since God is STILL "creating" people in Christ Spiritually. We will continue at this verse until Jesus returns to fulfill the PROPHECY of Gen 1:28-31.
 
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The rest of the post was also wrong but this you describe above; Thats magic, as you invoke the supernatural. No ifs nu buts, just pure magic and therefore inadmissable in a scientific debate.

I disagree since God told us HOW and WHEN He commanded that "every living creature that moveth" be created and brought forth from the water on the 5th Day. Gen 1:20-21 Scientists, who reject God's Holy Word, changed this FACT by claiming that life evolved naturally from the water. By Magic? Of course UNLESS you can tell us where the FIRST bacteria, which appeared in the water some 3.77 Billion years ago, on Planet Earth, came from. You CANNOT and neither can ANY Evolutionist.

All life came forth from liquid water since all cells die without liquid water. God's Truth, accepted by Faith, which AGREES with the scientific and historic discoveries of man, changes from Faith to Empirical Fact when this agreement is found. God's Truth is the Truth in every way.
 
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Actually, untrue in all instances.

According to the natural science of geology, the first forms of life, as we define life, appeared around 3.5 to 3.8 billion years ago. That's not an assumption, at all. It's based on those fossils found. It's not based on the theory of evolution, either. It's based on the fact that the fossils of the first forms of life found are prokaryotes in rocks around 3.5 to 3.8 billion years old. It's not an assumption. It's the opposite of an assumption.

Thanks for providing "evidence" that what God told us in Gen 1:20-21 is totally supported by the natural science of geology. NO ancient man of 3k years ago, could have possibly known and correctly written God's Truth which agrees with the latest Scientific Discoveries of mankind. Thanks again for showing that God's Truth is the Truth in EVERY way.
 
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Really? Even if what you wrote is true, it still is not an assumption. It's a conclusion based on what is found. Not an assumption.

It's God's Truth of Gen 1:20-21 AGREEING the the discoveries of mankind thousands of years later. Faith plus the agreement of Science and History is commonly known as Fact....UNLESS you can tell us how ancient men knew and wrote this and got it correct....
 
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Amen but what they don't know is that life was formed on another world some 10 Billion years before the first life appeared on our Earth.
Um... pretty sure that would predate the universe
 
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Um... pretty sure that would predate the universe

Of course it does since Adam's firmament/Heaven was made on the 2nd Day. Gen 1:8 The present Cosmos was made AFTER Adam was made on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4 The 3rd Heaven was also made at this time. Each of God's Days is Billions of years in length in man's time. The morning of the FIRST Day was 20+ Billion years ago in man's time.
 
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Of course it does since Adam's firmament/Heaven was made on the 2nd Day. Gen 1:8 The present Cosmos was made AFTER Adam was made on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4 The 3rd Heaven was also made at this time. Each of God's Days is Billions of years in length in man's time. The morning of the FIRST Day was 20+ Billion years ago in man's time.
O...kaaaaaay...
 
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