Foru.ms - a new beginning and a fresh start (3)

[Time2BCounted]

Chiliasm

Nestorianism

Protestantism

All heresies, at least according to some. All allowed under the previous regime.

Shall we run a little test on "One baptism for the forgiveness of sins"? I believe we would find some interesting data.

Some heresies effect salvation some dont. Nadine is concerned about the ones that do

 

[pgp_protector]

Chiliasm

Nestorianism

Protestantism

All heresies, at least according to some. All allowed under the previous regime.

Shall we run a little test on "One baptism for the forgiveness of sins"? I believe we would find some interesting data.

As long as it's full immersion (joking)

 

[joebudda]

First of all, let's not deflect from CaDan's attack on ME first... the one who bears the "tolerant" image....
and I notice instead of AGREEING (or noting) that CaDan was showing intolerance to me, you run after ME for being intolerant.
1) I never CLAIMED I was tolerant, CaDan did.
So you may want to "hunt down" the person making the claims for tolerance than myself.

If he WERE truly tolerant, he wouldn't of said what he did to me. (nothing unusual tho, I see it daily from the same crowds...).
Anyhoo -
Let me give you an analogy Joebudda - becuz obviously the "tolerant" don't GET IT from the Christian perspective.

According to Christians, false teaching is one of the most dangerous things there is. It isn't neutral, it harms and maligns what is true.
In that damage, it leads people AWAY from God and His truth. Theyde be better off not hearing anything than being misled to take them further away from God.

I liken it to being as harmful as AIDS. Both kill. Since we believe those who reject God will ultimately not attain eternal life, it's crucial what they hear and believe.

Now if you want to continue calling me intolerant FOR TRYING TO ASK FOR PROTECTION OF UNBELIEVING SOULS, then go ahead.
If you reject that's the case, fine. You aren't my judge, God is and He knows my heart & motive in asking that false teachings not infiltrate this site without resistance.

You believe this is the "Christian" perspective. Just as other "Christians" have a much different perspective on what it means to be Christian.

You will catch more flys with honey then with vinger.

 

[Dying2Live4Christ]

First of all, let's not deflect from CaDan's attack on ME first... the one who bears the "tolerant" image....
and I notice instead of AGREEING (or noting) that CaDan was showing intolerance to me, you run after ME for being intolerant.
1) I never CLAIMED I was tolerant, CaDan did.
So you may want to "hunt down" the person making the claims for tolerance than myself.

If he WERE truly tolerant, he wouldn't of said what he did to me. (nothing unusual tho, I see it daily from the same crowds...).
Anyhoo -
Let me give you an analogy Joebudda - becuz obviously the "tolerant" don't GET IT from the Christian perspective.

According to Christians, false teaching is one of the most dangerous things there is. It isn't neutral, it harms and maligns what is true.
In that damage, it leads people AWAY from God and His truth. Theyde be better off not hearing anything than being misled to take them further away from God.

I liken it to being as harmful as AIDS. Both kill. Since we believe those who reject God will ultimately not attain eternal life, it's crucial what they hear and believe.

Now if you want to continue calling me intolerant FOR TRYING TO ASK FOR PROTECTION OF UNBELIEVING SOULS, then go ahead.
If you reject that's the case, fine. You aren't my judge, God is and He knows my heart & motive in asking that false teachings not infiltrate this site without resistance.

Yes, false teachings is an important things for us to be alert for. It is very dangerous.

 

[Dying2Live4Christ]

You believe this is the "Christian" perspective. Just as other "Christians" have a much different perspective on what it means to be Christian.

You will catch more flys with honey then with vinger.

If vinegar is the truth and honey is a sugarcoated one, I would rather catch the less flies, but at least bring them to Christ correctly. It's the quality not the quantity. We need those who come to Christ to know the real Christ that loves us and died on the Christ for us and not this fake Christ that only is here to grant us wishes and make our life perfect (the Christ that the self centered world would love to have).

 

[Sitswithamouse]

If Erwin did the proper job, there wouldn't be any need for any Christian to contend against heresy here! (he'd care about protecting others).

In the previous format, the rules dissallowed it.
NOW HE'S PUT THE WORK ON CHRISTIANS HERE to have to "heresy hunt".
And something else Mr. TOLERANT , THE HERETICS COME TO US, we don't go searching them out.

I always wonder why do people who shout mantra's about toleration always display their lack of it??


Is your "hunting" of others YOU disagree any better CaDan?
If you don't have a mirror handy, I'll be glad to provide you one so you can take a gander into it.

Be careful about attacking people for the very thing you do yourself. (it isn't pretty).

This deeply saddens me
Nadiine
Who then is here to protect those that come here seeking answers (who may not be spirit filled or have faith like you and others) and are flagulated for their differing beliefs?
I have seen many non-christians flamed mercilessly for even slightly disagreeing with the creeds on this forum, let alone those christians who take liberal views on the bible, etc.

 

[joebudda]

JoeBudda
Nadine doesnt lack love because she stands for doctrine. Your criticism and judgement in this matter is misplaced. I see no intollerance as far as personal intollerances are concerned... i see a stand for doctrine. If you were in a school teaching one and one are 3 and you cared how much would you fight? If they insisted on not changing what would you do? Knowing one and one are 2 would you go along with the crowd finally saying it is 3?

This isnt anything personal, you shouldnt make it personal

I am only making comments on observations as I see them.

I don't go along with the crowd, or I would be conservative Christian which saturates my town. I believe I have been enlighten to the "truth". And the truth is the world would be a much better place with more love and tolerance and less "us and them". We all live on this speck of dust in the corner of this galaxy that is lost amongst all the other galaxies in out universe.

It is up to us to love one another, if we don't do that, then we are to blame for our own strife this causes.

 

[CaDan]

Is Mary the Mother of God?

Discuss.

 

[joebudda]

If vinegar is the truth and honey is a sugarcoated one, I would rather catch the less flies, but at least bring them to Christ correctly. It's the quality not the quantity. We need those who come to Christ to know the real Christ that loves us and died on the Christ for us and not this fake Christ that only is here to grant us wishes and make our life perfect (the Christ that the self centered world would love to have).

I am sure you truly believe this.
But that is just it, just because we believe something doesn't make it true.


Nadiine seems to be calling out these metaphorical witch hunts as if it is admirable. All I keep picturing is this is the very same mentality that had spawned in Salam, during the Crusades, and the inquisitions.

This is how it seems from my perspective. And If I am correct, which I very well could be wrong, then this is definitely not admirable. And goes against every moral fiber in my being.

 

[Time2BCounted]

I am only making comments on observations as I see them.

I don't go along with the crowd, or I would be conservative Christian which saturates my town. I believe I have been enlighten to the "truth". And the truth is the world would be a much better place with more love and tolerance and less "us and them". We all live on this speck of dust in the corner of this galaxy that is lost amongst all the other galaxies in out universe.

It is up to us to love one another, if we don't do that, then we are to blame for our own strife this causes.

Joe

Youo are likely a fine fella, but my friend you arent a christian i take it and you are only teaching half a gospel, so you shouldnt judge someones walk in a religion you only know half of. No offence at all but the same Jesus that loved also put a whip to the backs of the people profaning the temple, calling them hypocrites and a brood of vipers, and WE are to put on the mind of Christ.

POaul said to rebuke those4 with bad doctriner sharply so that they may be sound in the faith... learn our WHOLE word

 

[psalms 91]

Chiliasm

Nestorianism

Protestantism

All heresies, at least according to some. All allowed under the previous regime.

Shall we run a little test on "One baptism for the forgiveness of sins"? I believe we would find some interesting data.

After watching your posting style and some others that Erwin supposedly listened to or does listen to I am beginning to see why the board went the way it did. To me intelligence does not equte into love for all or even tolorance and sarcasm is not always a good medium unless the object is to stir the pot so to speak

 

[joebudda]

Joe

Youo are likely a fine fella, but my friend you arent a christian i take it and you are only teaching half a gospel, so you shouldnt judge someones walk in a religion you only know half of. No offence at all but the same Jesus that loved also put a whip to the backs of the people profaning the temple, calling them hypocrites and a brood of vipers, and WE are to put on the mind of Christ.

POaul said to rebuke those4 with bad doctriner sharply so that they may be sound in the faith... learn our WHOLE word

I am not a Christian which gives me a perspective that isn't distorted by dogma and the like.

I agree 100% that we shouldn't judge someone else's walk regarding religion.

But that is exactly what I am seeing here.
If this message board is shared by all then no one flavor of Christianity should rule. That is the beauty of Baskin-Robbins.

Oh yeah, you might get a kick out of how much I do know, but that is not for now.

 

[Time2BCounted]

I am not a Christian which gives me a perspective that isn't distorted by dogma and the like.

I agree 100% that we shouldn't judge someone else's walk regarding religion.

But that is exactly what I am seeing here.
If this message board is shared by all then no one flavor of Christianity should rule. That is the beauty of Baskin-Robbins.

Oh yeah, you might get a kick out of how much I do know, but that is not for now.

Thats not what im saying Joe.

If someone is going to be a muslim go for it... i disagree but be a real muslim and dont water it down. If someone is going to be a bhuddist do it but dont water it down. A 'christian' who rejects any part of the word for the sake of any reason is not a 'believer'... be a REAL christian, not a half christian.

There are some doctrines we can disagree on and still be saved, there are some we CANNOT because they are the very basis and foundation of the faith. For instance someone can claim all day they are a christian and yet deny Jesus is the only way. The bible and Jesus Himself says He IS the only way... These people are not christians in the same way one can say you are a cat all day long but they wont be a cat, theyll be put into a looney bin

 

[joebudda]

Thats not what im saying Joe.

If someone is going to be a muslim go for it... i disagree but be a real muslim and dont water it down. If someone is going to be a bhuddist do it but dont water it down. A 'christian' who rejects any part of the word for the sake of any reason is not a 'believer'... be a REAL christian, not a half christian.

There are some doctrines we can disagree on and still be saved, there are some we CANNOT because they are the very basis and foundation of the faith. For instance someone can claim all day they are a christian and yet deny Jesus is the only way. The bible and Jesus Himself says He IS the only way... These people are not christians in the same way one can say you are a cat all day long but they wont be a cat, theyll be put into a looney bin

Yes I believe this is what you believe.
Others believe differently, though just as sure they are correct as you believe you are.

I am not Christian and I feel that what I believe is truly the truth.

So I don't discount the degree to which you believe your truth to be true. We all are just as sure of ourselves even though we hold differing and conflicting beliefs.

The trick is to not let our beliefs get in the way of us connecting as we humans do.

 

[Nadiine]

Thats not what im saying Joe.

If someone is going to be a muslim go for it... i disagree but be a real muslim and dont water it down. If someone is going to be a bhuddist do it but dont water it down. A 'christian' who rejects any part of the word for the sake of any reason is not a 'believer'... be a REAL christian, not a half christian.

There are some doctrines we can disagree on and still be saved, there are some we CANNOT because they are the very basis and foundation of the faith. For instance someone can claim all day they are a christian and yet deny Jesus is the only way. The bible and Jesus Himself says He IS the only way... These people are not christians in the same way one can say you are a cat all day long but they wont be a cat, theyll be put into a looney bin

Out of reps or I'd rep this

 

[Nadiine]

Is Mary the Mother of God?

Discuss.

**More ad nauseum sarcasm**

I do have to ask, if it's just as funny 5 days straight night after night?

 

[CaDan]

After watching your posting style and some others that Erwin supposedly listened to or does listen to I am beginning to see why the board went the way it did. To me intelligence does not equte into love for all or even tolorance and sarcasm is not always a good medium unless the object is to stir the pot so to speak

You're right, Bill (you usually are). I am letting myself get far too snippy. It's not good for me, it's not good for the community.

I apologize.

 

[Time2BCounted]

Yes I believe this is what you believe.
Others believe differently, though just as sure they are correct as you believe you are.

I am not Christian and I feel that what I believe is truly the truth.

So I don't discount the degree to which you believe your truth to be true. We all are just as sure of ourselves even though we hold differing and conflicting beliefs.

The trick is to not let our beliefs get in the way of us connecting as we humans do.

Joe
Lets say you go to work for Dell computers and your job is building motherboards (however they do it lol). You are in training and they show you exactly what to do. If you say to yourself, well this doesnt make sense to me, it should be done my way, and you put out 1000 motherboards that are dont YOUR way, youre not going to be entering back into those gates.

Consider that Christians were called 'believers', what does this imply? Believing what? We were called believers because we believe Christ not buddah or mohammhed. If Jesus said i am the way the truth and the life and you reject this you are NOT a believer of the christian faith no matter how you insist because that IS the christian faith... you have by that point created your own religion and Jesus said He is the ONLY door and if anyone tries to get in any other way he is a thief.

A 'Christian' cannot believe Jesus is not the only way. "Christians' are defined by this principle along with "believe and be baptized".

As Christians it is not our duty to pick and choose what we will believe. Some people look at passages which are hard to reconsile and just give it up choosing to believe one passage to the EXCLUSION of the other. Scripture says 'ALL scriupture is inspired by God and profitable' therefore we are to dig out every word of God concerning any one doctrione and believe them ALL, reconciling them in such a way so that they are ALL true.

Build that motherboard right or leave, Dell would say, and God is greater.

 

[Time2BCounted]

Out of reps or I'd rep this

LOL, hey pray for me and ill be cool

 

[SunMessenger]

Is Mary the Mother of God?

Discuss.

There you go again...

Regan must have known you when he made that phrase popular.