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Hi. What exactly is fornication? I see that a lot in the Bible but never understood what that word means. They have sexual immorality and fornication. I know masturbation is a sin for it being an immoral act but how can one defile themselves masturbating. I don't get it. I mean it's our own body. Wouldn't it be easier to say that you could only do that outside a marriage, like if you slept around and came back and had sex with your wife, wouldn't that be more of a defilement? I know Jesus taught that a wife and husband was not to divorce and the only excuse they could have if one of them fornicated. But I don't think that's the same as sexual immorality when it comes to masturbating. Masturbating only seems like a sin because it's an immoral act. You know like a ugly thing in God's eyes since he is holy. Which makes the sexual act immoral in itself and while both are fornication seems much worst since through real sex diseases can be spread which is the only way a person can become defile. And fornication seems worst because it's like disrespecting your spouse and body since your spouse are now one flesh and belong to each other only. Oh and I have one more question if two born again christians with the holy spirit have a child, will it make the child holy automatically? I was just thinking of something and got curious. But yeah if you have the holy spirit and masturbated how is that defiling yourself if your whole body is holy? I mean what about married christians who have sex and have the holy spirit? Wouldn't the second part be more worst or maybe the first one since it's an immoral act making it a sin since God hates sin. Wouldn't it be better to just stay pure and celibate since the holy spirit is completely pure and holy? 2 Corinthians 11:2
 
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Hi. What exactly is fornication? I see that a lot in the Bible but never understood what that word means. They have sexual immorality and fornication. I know masturbation is a sin for it being an immoral act but how can one defile themselves masturbating. I don't get it. I mean it's our own body. Wouldn't it be easier to say that you could only do that outside a marriage, like if you slept around and came back and had sex with your wife, wouldn't that be more of a defilement? I know Jesus taught that a wife and husband was not to divorce and the only excuse they could have if one of them fornicated. But I don't think that's the same as sexual immorality when it comes to masturbating. Masturbating only seems like a sin because it's an immoral act. You know like a ugly thing in God's eyes since he is holy. Which makes the sexual act immoral in itself and while both are fornication seems much worst since through real sex diseases can be spread which is the only way a person can become defile. And fornication seems worst because it's like disrespecting your spouse and body since your spouse are now one flesh and belong to each other only. Oh and I have one more question if two born again christians with the holy spirit have a child, will it make the child holy automatically? I was just thinking of something and got curious.
Masturbation itself, the physical act, is not covered anywhere in the bible, so technically there's no sure way to consider it a sin, because it's not addressed.
However masturbation is pretty much accompanied by lust and pornography so.. that's where the sin comes into play.
As for fornication, it's sex before marriage, distinguished from adultery which is where one of the participants is married, but having sex with someone other than their spouse.
Fornication in the old testament at least, carried a less severe punishment under Mosaic law. Under the law, the punishment for Adultery was death (see Leviticus 20). But for fornication the punishment varied. If the woman was betrothed it was death like adultery, if it was incest, then they were exiled, if it was during her period, they were exiled (also detailed in Leviticus 20). But if it was 2 unmarried people neither engaged, unrelated, not on her period.. well, the punishment? He had to marry her and pay her father (Deuteronomy 22:28-29). So in essence, fornication is a sin that can possibly be "made right", so it is not punished as severely. Under the old testament anyway.
I find that Deuteronomy law weird because the situation described is actually rape, and the punishment was just that the rapist had to marry the girl.
But that's what the Mosaic law said.
 
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Masturbation itself, the physical act, is not covered anywhere in the bible, so technically there's no sure way to consider it a sin, because it's not addressed.
However masturbation is pretty much accompanied by lust and pornography so.. that's where the sin comes into play.
As for fornication, it's sex before marriage, distinguished from adultery which is where one of the participants is married, but having sex with someone other than their spouse.
Fornication in the old testament at least, carried a less severe punishment under Mosaic law. Under the law, the punishment for Adultery was death (see Leviticus 20). But for fornication the punishment varied. If the woman was betrothed it was death like adultery, if it was incest, then they were exiled, if it was during her period, they were exiled (also detailed in Leviticus 20). But if it was 2 unmarried people neither engaged, unrelated, not on her period.. well, the punishment? He had to marry her and pay her father (Deuteronomy 22:28-29). So in essence, fornication is a sin that can possibly be "made right", so it is not punished as severely. Under the old testament anyway.
I find that Deuteronomy law weird because the situation described is actually rape, and the punishment was just that the rapist had to marry the girl.
But that's what the Mosaic law said.
Sex is when both private organs and bodies join together in nakedness. Incest is not sex at 15 years old with clothes on. There's a difference from being a careless child with no discipline and two adult people doing fornication...there's also a difference of resurrecting 18 year old sins and actually doing it today....
 
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Sex is when two private organs join together in nakedness. Incest is not sex at 14 years old with clothes on. There's also a difference between resurrecting up sins from 18 years ago and covering recent ones today. There's also a difference of two adults having fornication and a careless 14 year old child without discipline at all
 
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Fornication is sex outside of marriage -marriage being what God created one man to one woman. Other forms of marriage is not viewed as marriage in God's sight.

I don't think masturbation is a sin in and of itself but rather what the mind may bring to it. The same way that adultery can be looking lustfully at another, including pornography. This is more than an acknowledgement of a pretty lady but having detailed lustful thoughts about her.

God knows that sex outside of marriage can bring a lot of heartbreak as does all forms of sexual immorality. The Bible says that when you sin sexually you sin against your own body. Pornography is addictive, cheating on your spouse breaks marriages and adultery and fornication can lead to diseases, pregnancy and greater heartbreak. As far as incest, paedophilia or any kind of sexual assault this causes great mental anguish to the victim their entire lives, if there was rape or not. Even inappropriate touching can leave a scar for life. This ruins lives.
If you are called to be celibate, be celibate; but not everyone is called to do that and some feel called to be married and have children and God views children as a blessing.
 
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you're close. God doesn't remember the sins that we have confessed to Him, and have repented of. Those are the sins that are forgiven.

The sins that we cling to and justify, those are the areas in our lives that we have to work on.

We need to learn how to accept a right understanding from God of the right way to view those responses, how those responses fit into His plan for us, and how we turn lust (which is driven by our selfish desires) into a creating and giving expression of admiration and love for another person.
 
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Hi. What exactly is fornication? I see that a lot in the Bible but never understood what that word means. They have sexual immorality and fornication. I know masturbation is a sin for it being an immoral act but how can one defile themselves masturbating. I don't get it. I mean it's our own body. Wouldn't it be easier to say that you could only do that outside a marriage, like if you slept around and came back and had sex with your wife, wouldn't that be more of a defilement? I know Jesus taught that a wife and husband was not to divorce and the only excuse they could have if one of them fornicated. But I don't think that's the same as sexual immorality when it comes to masturbating. Masturbating only seems like a sin because it's an immoral act. You know like a ugly thing in God's eyes since he is holy. Which makes the sexual act immoral in itself and while both are fornication seems much worst since through real sex diseases can be spread which is the only way a person can become defile. And fornication seems worst because it's like disrespecting your spouse and body since your spouse are now one flesh and belong to each other only. Oh and I have one more question if two born again christians with the holy spirit have a child, will it make the child holy automatically? I was just thinking of something and got curious. But yeah if you have the holy spirit and masturbated how is that defiling yourself if your whole body is holy? I mean what about married christians who have sex and have the holy spirit? Wouldn't the second part be more worst or maybe the first one since it's an immoral act making it a sin since God hates sin. Wouldn't it be better to just stay pure and celibate since the holy spirit is completely pure and holy? 2 Corinthians 11:2
fornication is actually any sexual act, masturbation, making out with a girlfriend, etc. Sex before marriage is also fornication, but is more directly called adultery.

I will adress the rest of your post later but for now I wish to study fornication in the Bible, which can mean sex, or even homosexuality, but in general it means "sexual sin, or sexual impurities.

1 corinthians 6:13, Romans 1:29, 1 Corinthians 5:1, mention it as "sexual impurity."

and in these verses it's listed in addition to adultery as if it is something separate from adultery:
Matthew 15:19, Mark 7:21,

here is a great commentary on it:


fornication in KJV is sometimes translated "sexual impurity" In the New King James, and that is the greek word Porneia:

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The term sexually immoral is the ancient Greek word porneia; it broadly refers to all types of sexual activity outside of marriage (including homosexuality).

i. Originally, porneia just referred to going to prostitutes; but before New Testament times, the Jewish community used the word to refer to any kind of extramarital sex, including homosexuality. This is its sense in the New Testament.

ii. Commentators on the word porneia: "the Scripture by this word comprehends all species of unlawful mixtures." (Poole) "must be understood in its utmost latitude of meaning, as implying all kinds of impurity." (Clarke)

iii. Porneia so often appears first in New Testament "sin lists" but not because the first Christians had a lot of "hang ups" about sex. Instead, it is because the area of sex was one of the most dramatic places where the ethics of Greek culture clashed with the ethics of Jesus. Sexual immorality was an accepted fact of life for the common person in Greek culture, but it was not to be so among the followers of Jesus."

David Guzik online commentary:
Study Guide for 1 Corinthians 5 by David Guzik

here is my favorite greek dictionary on porneia:

Strong number 4202 πορνεία porneía, gen. porneías, fem. noun from porneúō (4203), to commit fornication or any sexual sin. Fornication, lewdness, or any sexual sin.

(I) Any sexual sin; coupled with moicheía (3430), adultery (Mark 7:21), and other sins (Rom. 1:29). Used generally to refer to any sexual sin (1 Cor. 6:13, 18; 7:2; 2 Cor. 12:21; Gal. 5:19; Eph. 5:3; Col. 3:5; 1 Thess. 4:3; Rev. 9:21). In John 8:41, “We be not born of fornication” means, “We are not spurious children, born of a concubine, but are the true descendants of Abraham” (a.t. [Sept.: Gen. 38:24; Hos. 1:2]). Specifically of adultery (Matt. 5:32; 19:9); of incest (1 Cor. 5:1). Porneía may also refer to marriages within the degrees prohibited by the Law of Moses and generally to all such intercourse as prohibited in that Law (cf. Lev. 18; 20:10ff.).

(II) Symbolically it stands for idolatry, the forsaking of the true God in order to worship idols. Since God is said to be married to His Church through Christ, then any idolatry is unfaithfulness toward God equal to sexual unfaithfulness to one’s marriage partner (Rev. 2:21; 14:8; 17:2, 4; 18:3; 19:2; Sept.: Jer. 3:9; Ezek. 16:15, 22; 23:27; Hos. 2:2; 4:12).

(III) Fornication as a sexual vice was common before the time of Moses and was grossly prevalent in Egypt (Gen. 39:7). Prostitution was not tolerated by the Sinaitical code, being an abomination in the sight of God (Lev. 19:29; Deut. 23:17, 18). Its price could not be accepted in the sanctuary (Mic. 1:7), and death by stoning was the penalty for an unmarried woman who had concealed her crime (Deut. 22:20, 21). The term “strange woman” in Prov. 2:16 probably referred to a harlot procured from foreigners. See also Prov. 2:16–19; 5:3–6; 7:5–27. God’s displeasure was thus incited (Jer. 5:7; Amos 2:7; 7:17). Such excesses were very common among the heathen in the times of the Apostles (1 Cor. 5:1, 9, 10; 6:9). Israel is symbolically presented as a harlot (Is. 1:21; Jer. 2:20; Ezek. 16; Hos. 1:2; 3:1)."

above quote from:
Zodhiates Greek New Testament Dictionary
 
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fornication is actually any sexual act, masturbation, making out with a girlfriend, etc. Sex before marriage is also fornication, but is more directly called adultery.

I will adress the rest of your post later but for now I wish to study fornication in the Bible, which can mean sex, or even homosexuality, but in general it means "sexual sin, or sexual impurities.

1 corinthians 6:13, Romans 1:29, 1 Corinthians 5:1, mention it as "sexual impurity."

and in these verses it's listed in addition to adultery as if it is something separate from adultery:
Matthew 15:19, Mark 7:21,

here is a great commentary on it:


fornication in KJV is sometimes translated "sexual impurity" In the New King James, and that is the greek word Porneia:

"
The term sexually immoral is the ancient Greek word porneia; it broadly refers to all types of sexual activity outside of marriage (including homosexuality).

i. Originally, porneia just referred to going to prostitutes; but before New Testament times, the Jewish community used the word to refer to any kind of extramarital sex, including homosexuality. This is its sense in the New Testament.

ii. Commentators on the word porneia: "the Scripture by this word comprehends all species of unlawful mixtures." (Poole) "must be understood in its utmost latitude of meaning, as implying all kinds of impurity." (Clarke)

iii. Porneia so often appears first in New Testament "sin lists" but not because the first Christians had a lot of "hang ups" about sex. Instead, it is because the area of sex was one of the most dramatic places where the ethics of Greek culture clashed with the ethics of Jesus. Sexual immorality was an accepted fact of life for the common person in Greek culture, but it was not to be so among the followers of Jesus."

David Guzik online commentary:
Study Guide for 1 Corinthians 5 by David Guzik

here is my favorite greek dictionary on porneia:

Strong number 4202 πορνεία porneía, gen. porneías, fem. noun from porneúō (4203), to commit fornication or any sexual sin. Fornication, lewdness, or any sexual sin.

(I) Any sexual sin; coupled with moicheía (3430), adultery (Mark 7:21), and other sins (Rom. 1:29). Used generally to refer to any sexual sin (1 Cor. 6:13, 18; 7:2; 2 Cor. 12:21; Gal. 5:19; Eph. 5:3; Col. 3:5; 1 Thess. 4:3; Rev. 9:21). In John 8:41, “We be not born of fornication” means, “We are not spurious children, born of a concubine, but are the true descendants of Abraham” (a.t. [Sept.: Gen. 38:24; Hos. 1:2]). Specifically of adultery (Matt. 5:32; 19:9); of incest (1 Cor. 5:1). Porneía may also refer to marriages within the degrees prohibited by the Law of Moses and generally to all such intercourse as prohibited in that Law (cf. Lev. 18; 20:10ff.).

(II) Symbolically it stands for idolatry, the forsaking of the true God in order to worship idols. Since God is said to be married to His Church through Christ, then any idolatry is unfaithfulness toward God equal to sexual unfaithfulness to one’s marriage partner (Rev. 2:21; 14:8; 17:2, 4; 18:3; 19:2; Sept.: Jer. 3:9; Ezek. 16:15, 22; 23:27; Hos. 2:2; 4:12).

(III) Fornication as a sexual vice was common before the time of Moses and was grossly prevalent in Egypt (Gen. 39:7). Prostitution was not tolerated by the Sinaitical code, being an abomination in the sight of God (Lev. 19:29; Deut. 23:17, 18). Its price could not be accepted in the sanctuary (Mic. 1:7), and death by stoning was the penalty for an unmarried woman who had concealed her crime (Deut. 22:20, 21). The term “strange woman” in Prov. 2:16 probably referred to a harlot procured from foreigners. See also Prov. 2:16–19; 5:3–6; 7:5–27. God’s displeasure was thus incited (Jer. 5:7; Amos 2:7; 7:17). Such excesses were very common among the heathen in the times of the Apostles (1 Cor. 5:1, 9, 10; 6:9). Israel is symbolically presented as a harlot (Is. 1:21; Jer. 2:20; Ezek. 16; Hos. 1:2; 3:1)."

above quote from:
Zodhiates Greek New Testament Dictionary

All that.. and yet masturbation itself is not covered in the bible. People have to make leaps of logic to consider it a sin.
 
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All that.. and yet masturbation itself is not covered in the bible. People have to make leaps of logic to consider it a sin.
sir the whole time during touching yourself you are lusting after a woman not your wife, online. I have hosts of studies that touching yourself is the leading cause of premature erectile disfunction (ED) in young men, so even if you don't think it's biblically wrong, it should logically and medically be wrong.

this link is for porn, but it doubles as well for touching yourself, just read some of the links for the scientific studies on it:

OneTab shared tabs

It's a serious issue for young men, especially if they want to have children some day (which is impossible for ED).

I have a thread where I post updates on the porn industry here:
Human Trafficking; Be part of the solution, not part of the problem
 
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most all Born Again ones
will feel sinful
during and or after masterbating.

Always knew God was watching.

Have seen this act
bring many good ones down.

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I find that Deuteronomy law weird because the situation described is actually rape, and the punishment was just that the rapist had to marry the girl.

Exodus 22:16: If a man seduces a virgin who is not pledged to be married and sleeps with her, he must pay the bride-price, and she shall be his wife.

Well, you have to figure that some of the cases might have been in that grey zone where it's hard for outsiders to tell if there was consent. Many would have been totally consensual, and her dad says "well, now you have to marry her!" And some might have been like this: Sally likes Bob, Sally's dad forbids a marriage, and Sally just goes out and sleeps with Bob. Then it's "Oh no! I've got to marry him now!"

In cases where it really was out-and-out rape, the next verse would probably apply (Exodus 22:17: If her father absolutely refuses to give her to him, he must still pay the bride-price for virgins). In that case, there's no marriage, just a really big fine.
 
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The problem with Christians today is most followers have not received any spiritual messages.

I want to make some points on this topic. Marriage as Jesus taught was a spiritual thing, not a traditional thing like we have today. In the gospels, it clearly states that marriage is symbolic and a mystery but it means the bond between Christ and the Church. Have you not read Jesus parables about his second coming and he being the groom and you being the bridegroom?

Jesus was talking about a spiritual marriage between God and mankind (including women), through his sacrifice.

So all this redundant talk of fornication has no basis any more, because the law has been made new through the spiritual understanding of Jesus Christ. Let those with ears to hear, understand this message.
 
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Sexual intercourse outside of marriage.
sir I did a full bible study of fornication here:
Fornication

it means any sexual sin in most instances but can narrow down to one of those sins, in some passages.
 
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The problem with Christians today is most followers have not received any spiritual messages.

I want to make some points on this topic. Marriage as Jesus taught was a spiritual thing, not a traditional thing like we have today. In the gospels, it clearly states that marriage is symbolic and a mystery but it means the bond between Christ and the Church. Have you not read Jesus parables about his second coming and he being the groom and you being the bridegroom?

Jesus was talking about a spiritual marriage between God and mankind (including women), through his sacrifice.

So all this redundant talk of fornication has no basis any more, because the law has been made new through the spiritual understanding of Jesus Christ. Let those with ears to hear, understand this message.

Your message is missing some wheels.
God said that marriage is "flesh joining flesh".....as 2 shall be "one flesh"....so, that is not talking about the ring, the vow, the wedding ceremony.

Now lets talk about the blood covenant. If you are over 21 then you should not be alarmed to learn that a VIRGIN has a particular delicate situation that known as a "hymen".. This is basically a sack of blood that is found within the most private part of a Virgin..
As originally designed, When a husband and his wife "join", the woman should BLEED. And this is a blood covenant between the Virgin wife and her Husband that is caused when "flesh joins flesh".
 
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sir the whole time during touching yourself you are lusting after a woman not your wife, online. I have hosts of studies that touching yourself is the leading cause of premature erectile disfunction (ED) in young men, so even if you don't think it's biblically wrong, it should logically and medically be wrong.

this link is for porn, but it doubles as well for touching yourself, just read some of the links for the scientific studies on it:

OneTab shared tabs

It's a serious issue for young men, especially if they want to have children some day (which is impossible for ED).

I have a thread where I post updates on the porn industry here:
Human Trafficking; Be part of the solution, not part of the problem
and as I said, it's the porn or lustful thoughts that are the sin, rather than the physical act itself.
So, it can be possible to touch, and not sin, in a few situations.
Say you're a soldier that is deployed overseas, your wife is thousands of miles away. Would it be sin for that soldier to touch while thinking of his wife?
What if you're able to touch without using porn or lustful thoughts of someone as a single man? That's a hypothetical, as that's usually not the case, but, if the young man would rather do that than have wet dreams to deal with just getting rid of old sperm that's built up (something the body needs to do anyway if they're not sexually active) then if they're able to do that, I don't see sin in that. Not anything in the bible ever mentions the act itself, and if you use leviticus, that is also applying to wet dreams, and that's not necessarily sin, that's just uncleanness from a biological standpoint. If they have an issue of any bodily fluid they have to go get clean. Onanism isn't masturbation at all, it's pulling out while having sex, and Onan wasn't killed for that specifically he was killed for refusing to give his deceased brother an heir, to continue inheritance (Genesis 38).
 
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and as I said, it's the porn or lustful thoughts that are the sin, rather than the physical act itself.
So, it can be possible to touch, and not sin, in a few situations.
Say you're a soldier that is deployed overseas, your wife is thousands of miles away. Would it be sin for that soldier to touch while thinking of his wife?
What if you're able to touch without using porn or lustful thoughts of someone as a single man? That's a hypothetical, as that's usually not the case, but, if the young man would rather do that than have wet dreams to deal with just getting rid of old sperm that's built up (something the body needs to do anyway if they're not sexually active) then if they're able to do that, I don't see sin in that. Not anything in the bible ever mentions the act itself, and if you use leviticus, that is also applying to wet dreams, and that's not necessarily sin, that's just uncleanness from a biological standpoint. If they have an issue of any bodily fluid they have to go get clean. Onanism isn't masturbation at all, it's pulling out while having sex, and Onan wasn't killed for that specifically he was killed for refusing to give his deceased brother an heir, to continue inheritance (Genesis 38).
I think it would be a sin in that situation. Simply because the soldier is retraining his body to work off a different stimuli. It's best to just go without, so that when he is back off duty, he can have pleasure with his wife. The body is very good about getting rid of excess sperm naturally, it is not unhealthy physically to not touch. It's a myth that some get what is called blue balls if they don't touch, and that too is a myth. You won't die if you don't touch. God made are bodies very efficient. If we don't use the sperm, we simply produce less as a result. It's an on demand thing. Now back to the soldier and masterbating to his wife... Now if he is tempted to hire a prostitute, then maybe it would be better in that case, to reduce the sin exposure and touch. But I think the act itself is lust based. See what the soldier is doing is this...he is saying...send me a sexy picture so that I can get off to it, thousands of miles away. That is reducing his wife to mere pixels on a camera and not a human being. She is a real being, and she should be loved and romanced, only then should the sex act occur. Not because he is young and horney off in another country. And most likely you are not really here talking about married people using touching yourself, most likely you are trying to make it possible that you too can do it, not being married. And that would be a no no.
 
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I think it would be a sin in that situation. Simply because the soldier is retraining his body to work off a different stimuli. It's best to just go without, so that when he is back off duty, he can have pleasure with his wife. The body is very good about getting rid of excess sperm naturally, it is not unhealthy physically to not touch. It's a myth that some get what is called blue balls if they don't touch, and that too is a myth. You won't die if you don't touch. God made are bodies very efficient. If we don't use the sperm, we simply produce less as a result. It's an on demand thing. Now back to the soldier and masterbating to his wife... Now if he is tempted to hire a prostitute, then maybe it would be better in that case, to reduce the sin exposure and touch. But I think the act itself is lust based. See what the soldier is doing is this...he is saying...send me a sexy picture so that I can get off to it, thousands of miles away. That is reducing his wife to mere pixels on a camera and not a human being. She is a real being, and she should be loved and romanced, only then should the sex act occur. Not because he is young and horney off in another country. And most likely you are not really here talking about married people using touching yourself, most likely you are trying to make it possible that you too can do it, not being married. And that would be a no no.
It doesn't just produce less, sometimes it has to come out, and if you aren't having it come out under your control, it'll come out when you sleep, and under Leviticus, that still makes you unclean.
It's also a nasty mess to have to wake up to at 3am and have to shower and try to do laundry.
You won't die, but you will have wet dreams, and those aren't exactly a desirable outcome.
 
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Exodus 22:16: If a man seduces a virgin who is not pledged to be married and sleeps with her, he must pay the bride-price, and she shall be his wife.

Well, you have to figure that some of the cases might have been in that grey zone where it's hard for outsiders to tell if there was consent. Many would have been totally consensual, and her dad says "well, now you have to marry her!" And some might have been like this: Sally likes Bob, Sally's dad forbids a marriage, and Sally just goes out and sleeps with Bob. Then it's "Oh no! I've got to marry him now!"

In cases where it really was out-and-out rape, the next verse would probably apply (Exodus 22:17: If her father absolutely refuses to give her to him, he must still pay the bride-price for virgins). In that case, there's no marriage, just a really big fine.
If it was without her knowledge and he raped her then she don't have to marry him but he deserves some kind of punish to pay for the crime he did. Because that's trespassing. But if she did it voluntarily then yeah that's kinda wrong since she was in a convenant to be married to someone else. It seems like she was either raped without her knowledge of knowing or she slept with him. And I beg to choose the latter seeing she was "engaged". There's a lot that goes into it though. The man and woman should both be bought to court with a witness or two. And if she don't have one or if there was none involved at the time it happened. Then he must do what the Bible says seeing God only sits high and was the true witness at the moment. So if nobody was there. That's where God comes in to testify. No one should be charged with a crime without a witness. And each party should have thier own witness because both of them will speak thier own words. That's why there should be witnesses to see who tells the truth etc. Knowing they could both lie. Etc. There should be evidence of some sort or a faithful witness to prove the case.
 
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