Formal Debate Peanut Gallery thread - Unmarried Co-Habitation is Morally Wrong ...

[Strathos]

Don't you think he meant that he believes in a Creator now but didn't then?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Don't you think he meant that he believes in a Creator now but didn't then?

"the strong desire to keep distanced from our Creator"

People who don't believe in Creators don't concern themselves with their proximity or distance from these not-believed-in beings.

 

[Arcangl86]

"the strong desire to keep distanced from our Creator"

People who don't believe in Creators don't concern themselves with their proximity or distance from these not-believed-in beings.

Though it is possible he is being retrospective right now.

 

[Strathos]

That's what I was saying.

 

[quatona]

Though it is possible he is being retrospective right now.

When telling us what it´s like to be an atheist?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Don't you think he meant that he believes in a Creator now but didn't then?

I've had this conversation with David before...

As I remember it, he claimed that while he was an "atheist" he knew god really existed...he was just in denial about it.

David thinks all atheists think this way...in his mind we're all just "denying" god so we can do our sinning. David was never an atheist in regards to the meaning of the word.

 

[bhsmte]

I've had this conversation with David before...

As I remember it, he claimed that while he was an "atheist" he knew god really existed...he was just in denial about it.

David thinks all atheists think this way...in his mind we're all just "denying" god so we can do our sinning. David was never an atheist in regards to the meaning of the word.

David appears to have an uncanny ability, to know how others think.

 

[PeacefulWarrier]

Poor Dave...
Don't let the peanut gallery get you down, Dave.

I admire your willingness to openly discuss your beliefs with others.

Proverbs 3:5-6 (NIV)
Trust in the Lord with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;
in all your ways submit to him,
and he will make your paths straight.

 

[bhsmte]

Poor Dave...
Don't let the peanut gallery get you down, Dave.

I admire your willingness to openly discuss your beliefs with others.

Proverbs 3:5-6 (NIV)
Trust in the Lord with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;
in all your ways submit to him,
and he will make your paths straight.

How does that old saying go?

We reap what we sow.

 

[PeacefulWarrier]

How does that old saying go?

We reap what we sow.

Know where that old saying comes from?

Galatians 6:7 (NIV)
7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.

Know what it means?

"Many excuse themselves from the work of religion, though they may make a show, and profess it. They may impose upon others, yet they deceive themselves if they think to impose upon God, who knows their hearts as well as actions; and as he cannot be deceived, so he will not be mocked. Our present time is seed time; in the other world we shall reap as we sow now. As there are two sorts of sowing, one to the flesh, and the other to the Spirit, so will the reckoning be hereafter. Those who live a carnal, sensual life, must expect no other fruit from such a course than misery and ruin. But those who, under the guidance and influences of the Holy Spirit, live a life of faith in Christ, and abound in Christian graces, shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. We are all very apt to tire in duty, particularly in doing good. This we should carefully watch and guard against. Only to perseverance in well-doing is the reward promised. Here is an exhortation to all to do good in their places. We should take care to do good in our life-time, and make this the business of our lives. Especially when fresh occasions offer, and as far as our power reaches." (Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary)

 

[bhsmte]

Know where that old saying comes from?

Galatians 6:7 (NIV)
7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.

Know what it means?

"Many excuse themselves from the work of religion, though they may make a show, and profess it. They may impose upon others, yet they deceive themselves if they think to impose upon God, who knows their hearts as well as actions; and as he cannot be deceived, so he will not be mocked. Our present time is seed time; in the other world we shall reap as we sow now. As there are two sorts of sowing, one to the flesh, and the other to the Spirit, so will the reckoning be hereafter. Those who live a carnal, sensual life, must expect no other fruit from such a course than misery and ruin. But those who, under the guidance and influences of the Holy Spirit, live a life of faith in Christ, and abound in Christian graces, shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. We are all very apt to tire in duty, particularly in doing good. This we should carefully watch and guard against. Only to perseverance in well-doing is the reward promised. Here is an exhortation to all to do good in their places. We should take care to do good in our life-time, and make this the business of our lives. Especially when fresh occasions offer, and as far as our power reaches." (Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary)

How do you know what kind of overall life, other people lead?

 

[PeacefulWarrier]

How do you know what kind of overall life, other people lead?

Huh? I just told you where that 'old saying' comes from -- I don't understand your question.

What makes you think I think I know what kind of overall life, other people lead?

 

[The Cadet]

The term I use of 'Shacking up' is a distinctive term used to differentiate two people living in the same house without sexual intimacy such as a large house with rental spaces , as well as legal marriage , and specifically addresses the lifestyle today to deliberately skirt around all matters of legalities , all matters of lifelong commitment , a non compliance (or little thereof) to work out troubles which commited marriage partners do because they are bound , and a try-out-the-cow mentality before buying it IFFFF that is even in the mind of the male to begin with.

It's also not what the debate is about, and I would hope that in a moderated debate, someone calls him on that.

Also, two posts in, and Dave still hasn't really approached the whole "making an argument" bit. It's just more burden-shifting and wild allegations, including quite a few that probably qualify as rather serious insults to me and my significant other

 

[Ana the Ist]

It's also not what the debate is about, and I would hope that in a moderated debate, someone calls him on that.

Also, two posts in, and Dave still hasn't really approached the whole "making an argument" bit. It's just more burden-shifting and wild allegations, including quite a few that probably qualify as rather serious insults to me and my significant other

I don't think insulting the audience is something that ever even crosses Dave's mind. It seems like it's always more important to display his contempt for whatever group he's ranting about.

 

[PeacefulWarrier]

It's also not what the debate is about, and I would hope that in a moderated debate, someone calls him on that.

Also, two posts in, and Dave still hasn't really approached the whole "making an argument" bit. It's just more burden-shifting and wild allegations, including quite a few that probably qualify as rather serious insults to me and my significant other

I don't think insulting the audience is something that ever even crosses Dave's mind. It seems like it's always more important to display his contempt for whatever group he's ranting about.

I agree with you both. Wish Dave would concede already -- he tries in vain at this point.

Unmarried cohabitation is morally wrong -- that's what he's supposed to prove, right?

Perhaps the peanut gallery can provide a more convincing argument -- may I attempt?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Not to steal Mark's thunder, but part II is up.

Some irrelevant probing into Ana's personal life. Then...

"The following is a list of Americas Founding Fathers demonstrating how they feel toward God and The Bible for Government and daily living --- I cant extrapolate permissible Shacking Up from anything they've said. In fact to them, it would have flown in the face of decency and upright living. ... Be sure and read Thomas Jeffersons quote"

Oh, you mean Jefferson, who (after the death of his wife) lived with Sally Hemmings for four decades and fathered her children? [I mean, there's some grossness there, since Jefferson owned her and their children. But fortunately that's not a problem in the modern day.]

Finally, on to the ills of cohabitation...

"For the sake of brevity, ill" post some links to two Catholic sites that present a scattershot of claims, rather than make any argument myself. This is as close to addressing the issue as the post gets. For the sake of brevity? This is what the debate is about!

And then a sermon on how everybody needs Jebus (that doesn't even mention marriage or cohabitation).

 

[seashale76]

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[Ana the Ist]

Not to steal Mark's thunder, but part II is up.

Some irrelevant probing into Ana's personal life. Then...

"The following is a list of Americas Founding Fathers demonstrating how they feel toward God and The Bible for Government and daily living --- I cant extrapolate permissible Shacking Up from anything they've said. In fact to them, it would have flown in the face of decency and upright living. ... Be sure and read Thomas Jeffersons quote"

Oh, you mean Jefferson, who (after the death of his wife) lived with Sally Hemmings for four decades and fathered her children? [I mean, there's some grossness there, since Jefferson owned her and their children. But fortunately that's not a problem in the modern day.]

Finally, on to the ills of cohabitation...

"For the sake of brevity, ill" post some links to two Catholic sites that present a scattershot of claims, rather than make any argument myself. This is as close to addressing the issue as the post gets. For the sake of brevity? This is what the debate is about!

And then a sermon on how everybody needs Jebus (that doesn't even mention marriage or cohabitation).

I'll give you a hint regarding his last post....

There's a reason Dave is using statistics that are from studies that are 15-30 years old, and it's not because they are the only studies done on the topic.

Of course, I intend to reveal this in my final post....so please don't post the results of any recent studies on cohabitation. I just thought I'd let you know in case you wish to look them up yourself.

 

[ananda]

So it's morally wrong for a brother and sister to live together to save on rent?

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Formal Debate can be found here: Title: Unmarried Co-Habitation is Morally Wrong , Destructive , and Should Be Outlawed

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