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Formal Debate Peanut Gallery thread - Unmarried Co-Habitation is Morally Wrong ...

Discussion in 'Ethics & Morality' started by MarkRohfrietsch, Aug 18, 2015.

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  2. essentialsaltes

    essentialsaltes Stranger in a Strange Land

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    I'm hopeful this will be interesting. Go Team "Shacking Up"!
     
  3. Strathos

    Strathos No one important

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    Seems like you're one of those atheists who supports everything Christians are against, just to annoy them.
     
  4. essentialsaltes

    essentialsaltes Stranger in a Strange Land

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    What makes you say that?

    I sincerely found shacking up to be emotionally fulfilling and morally sound. I didn't choose that opinion just to annoy you.

    Anyway, Christians are generally against stealing and rape and murder, and so am I. There's plenty of common ground there.
     
  5. Shard

    Shard The Echelon

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    Outlawed is a bit of a stretch and just grasping at straws to be honest. Other than that it could be interesting.
     
  6. rltrdc

    rltrdc Newbie

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    In my own uninformed opinion, which might be blatantly wrong, it is not cohabitation that is in and of itself sinful, but is probably unwise for a Christian couple as it leads to temptation to sin. Most people will not be able to control themselves and that cohabitation with your partner almost always means sleeping with your partner.

    My presumption on this is that if simply premarital cohabitation is sinful why did Jesus not expound on this when he told the Samaritan woman at the well she was living with a man who was not her husband and tell her to stop living in such sin?
     
  7. MarkRohfrietsch

    MarkRohfrietsch Unapologetic Apologist Supporter

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    The first post is up, and may be found here: #2
     
  8. rjs330

    rjs330 Well-Known Member

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    Well the Bible doesn't really say anything about not living together. But it does say that fornication is sin. What exactly is that? Fornication is sexual sin and while there is no verse in the Bible that says "Thou shalt not have sex before marriage" a careful reading and understanding of scripture clearly indicates such. Take for example Jesus dealing with marriage in Matt. 19. A man leaves his father and mother and joins to his wife and they become one flesh. Indicating sex is for marriage. Also Paul's teaching about getting married so you don't give in to sexual sin. So there are plenty of teachings about sex outside of marriage being sinful.

    So what do we do with that and living together. Well the Bible also gives us plenty of earnings to flee from temptation. 2 Tim. 2:22 tells us to flee youthful lists. Eph. 4:27 Tells us not to give place to the devil. So you see it may not be a "sin" to live together it is VERY unwise because it puts us in a position to give in to temptation to commit sin.

    We as believers must be wise!
     
  9. KitKatMatt

    KitKatMatt stupid bleeding heart feminist liberal

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    I'm planning on moving in with my opposite sex friend sometime next year. We'll be saving $250 each per month by moving in together vs renting separate apartments.

    If you personally think you wouldn't be able to control yourself sexually in that situation, or if it makes you uncomfortable in any way, then don't do it. I don't see the reason for anyone trying to make it illegal, though. Why would someone care so much about what adult I live with, for the reasons I choose?
     
  10. Strathos

    Strathos No one important

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    Well I'm against making it illegal but I'm not in favor of promoting it as healthy
     
  11. essentialsaltes

    essentialsaltes Stranger in a Strange Land

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    Ana didn't say what I would have said, but I don't have any violent disagreement. I'm interested to see TCMD's response, but I expect it will be like his other contributions that basically amount to something between irrelevant and an own-goal.
     
  12. Arcangl86

    Arcangl86 Newbie

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    It's kind of hard to make a string defense when you don't know what you are defending against.
     
  13. KitKatMatt

    KitKatMatt stupid bleeding heart feminist liberal

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    It shouldn't be promoted as healthy or unhealthy, because it's very subjective and depends on the people involved.
     
  14. quatona

    quatona "God"? What do you mean??

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    Yes, it seems like Ana had to anticipate what Dave might say.
     
  15. Freodin

    Freodin Devout believer in a theologically different God

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    Believe as you like. Think to be "wise" as you like. "Flee sin" as you like.

    But as soon as you want to incorporate your beliefs into the legal code, you need something more than a bible verse.
     
  16. The Cadet

    The Cadet SO COOL

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    This. Calling for the debate, making the claim, and demanding that his opponent go first with absolutely no indication of his argument for his claim is quite ridiculous. Those aren't reasonable terms. They leave the first post shooting in the dark, trying to guess wildly why one party of the debate is against something which is legal and widely morally accepted. It's really a matter of personal freedom - if you'd like to make the case that something is immoral, you should be the one opening, as "personal freedom" is necessarily a winning argument until you bring up anything. The person on the defensive should not be opening.

    (This is also a reason why I don't want to start a debate on whether the Christian god exists or not - because my position, as a skeptic, necessarily boils down to "I do not accept that the evidence present justifies the existence of this God", and as a result, I could not open the debate in any meaningful way. Asking someone else to open in a debate you want to start is, in my opinion, more than a bit of a faux pas.)
     
  17. Arcangl86

    Arcangl86 Newbie

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    It's why I decided not to participate, even though I was interested. It gave him an unfair advantage, and the logic he was using to defend his desire to go second made no sense. He was the one making the positive statement that co-habitation is immoral, yet he was claiming that the person who had to argue that it wasn't immoral was making the positive statement.
     
  18. rjs330

    rjs330 Well-Known Member

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    Well I never advocated for this to be put in the legal code. I think the OP might have something concerning that in the post but I don't t hink it should legislated. There are some things that are best left between God and man rather than man and the government.
     
  19. essentialsaltes

    essentialsaltes Stranger in a Strange Land

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    Have you seen the logic used by TCMDave in other debates? Making no sense is par for the course.
     
  20. BL2KTN

    BL2KTN Scholar, Author, Educator

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    Seems to me that according to the bible, if you form a household, make a commitment, and live like a husband and wife... biblically you're married. I'm not sure God's going to listen to the defense, "yeah, but we didn't sign a government paper."
     
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