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What is your source on this meaning of the word porneia? I am very curious.
It is becoming a very strange world isn't it? We hear about former churches that released the covenantal relationship with God and Jesus Christ. And adopted the worlds doctrine that reveres all the attributes of the adverse of righteousness in order to perform a union ritual before the former altar dedicated to Christ and salvation and marry the sons and daughters of Sodom in his name.If someone divorced their spouse in a sinful way, and then remarried, ive heard it said that God would forgive their sin, and they move on with the next marriage.
Firstly, is the second marriage recognised by God, and if not, doesnt this make the second marriage, an ongoing sinful adulterous relationship that shouldnt continue?
So forgiveness in that context couldnt validate more of the same?
We just had a sermon on divorce, so its a question that was raised.
Not everyone is Catholic and are therefore not obligated to live according to the dictates of the RCC.I wish that people would look up how LOW are the percentages of annulment to marriages in the RCC. With the divorce rate among Catholics even with the rest of society and so few annulments in comparison it can hardly be considered Catholic divorce by reasonable people....except to those who already have an axe to grind.
No.The scriptures say adultery is grounds for divorce.
NeitherThe scriptures say so to is finding you're with an unbeliever.
Well, once you open the door for divorce, it will not just open a little, it will slam open ! The Spirit is ready, but the flesh is weak.The context of those two categories are vast.
I don't know about all that. But I do know the scriptures and your, "no" and "neither" , is example that you do not.No. Neither
Well, once you open the door for divorce, it will not just open a little, it will slam open ! The Spirit is ready, but the flesh is weak.
I serve a God who asks me to be FAITHFUL, not SUCCESSFUL.
You don't see that there are times when a marriage is legal but not sacramental?Your answer dichotomizes the covenant and the Sacrament, but the whole basis of the Sacrament being invalid in Catholic annulments is that the covenant was invalid. Ergo, it's incoherent to say the covenant was valid, but the Sacrament was invalid.
That's when Messiah has returned. It doesn't mean we won't be persecuted here on earth. Christians in the Levant having their churches burnt down, being driven from their homes, their women raped, and their children enslaved by ISIS certainly don't feel they are overcoming at present. Neither should we. Overcoming is something that happens at the end.The Bible has a word, "overcome", in Revelation. It does mean that we have the victory and shall live by it.
I believe the intended meaning in the Rev is that by holding to the faith in difficult trials, one overcomes evil. It doesn't mean that life is necessarily comfortable.That's when Messiah has returned. It doesn't mean we won't be persecuted here on earth. Christians in the Levant having their churches burnt down, being driven from their homes, their women raped, and their children enslaved by ISIS certainly don't feel they are overcoming at present. Neither should we. Overcoming is something that happens at the end.
Oh, I see what you are saying. That kind of overcoming of evil is personal. Not external. It means that evil will not conquer us; it doesn't mean that it won't conquer society. What did you think about my example of ISIS' persecution?I believe the intended meaning in the Rev is that by holding to the faith in difficult trials, one overcomes evil. It doesn't mean that life is necessarily comfortable.
I think that those who maintain their faith would be considered overcomes by the author of the Rev. The whole point was to encourage Christians being persecuted by Rome.Oh, I see what you are saying. That kind of overcoming of evil is personal. Not external. It means that evil will not conquer us; it doesn't mean that it won't conquer society. What did you think about my example of ISIS' persecution?
Well, we agree on that point, now that I understand you. My original point was that we have lost the culture war, and must prepare for a time of persecution. If you also agree with that, then we agree all around.I think that those who maintain their faith would be considered overcomes by the author of the Rev. The whole point was to encourage Christians being persecuted by Rome.
I think conservative Christians have lost the culture wars. I'm not convinced about persecution, except using dubious claims of persecution. I'm more concerned about the effect on public perception of Christianity. It used to be that people may have thought we were unrealistic, but Christians were considered to have a generally helpful influence. This is the first time that the public (with some justification, in my view) thinks that Christians are advocating immoral positions.Well, we agree on that point, now that I understand you. My original point was that we have lost the culture war, and must prepare for a time of persecution. If you also agree with that, then we agree all around.
Yeah, so? Non-Sacramental marriages aren't recognized by the Church anymore than polygamy or gay marriage.You don't see that there are times when a marriage is legal but not sacramental?
I can't shop in Target anymore without being afraid of using the restrooms lest a urophiliac pretending to be transgender be in there listening to me pee. It's abusive.I think conservative Christians have lost the culture wars. I'm not convinced about persecution, except using dubious claims of persecution.
I guess I'm missing what point it is you are trying to make.Yeah, so? Non-Sacramental marriages aren't recognized by the Church anymore than polygamy or gay marriage.
There is an exemption from Title IX for religious institutions.We have a new interpretation of Title IX funding that threatens to shut down Christian universities: if a university has rules against, say, practicing homosexuality or cross dressing on moral grounds, if it insists on men only living in dorms with other men, or showering only in men's showers or using only men's restrooms, it can loose Federal tuition scholarships. I call that persecution.
Unless a Church runs a public service for marriages (which could be covered under public accommodations laws), there's no ground for interference. This is paranoia. Churches commonly limit marriages to members, and often accept only people who have passed counseling with the pastor. There's no sign of an issue. Churches can marry only whites today if they want.I think it won't be long before Churches will be legally required to perform same sex weddings in order to be able to issue marriage licenses, etc. We will see an age where for example, Catholics will be sacramentaly married but not legally married.
Every single Catholic married couple who would be able to get an annulment if they tried all avenues, is living in fornication. Yet, presumably, only a small portion of those who could qualify actually remedy this by applying for an annulment. That's a serious problem.I guess I'm missing what point it is you are trying to make.
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