Forgiven?

[darkshadow]

I have my own opinion but I want to know what others think.
Let me also say that I nor my wife are thinking of having an abortion, but this is something I was thinking about today.

Can a "christian" married couple have an abortion and be forgiven?
Why/Why not?

 

[brightmorningstar]

I would say they can. Any Christian can make an error, through repentance and faith in Christ they can recieve the forgiveness available for all sin.
But, this of course acknowledges they were in ignorance and assumes they made the decision on the spur of the moment or they were somehow not in a fellowship that could guide them.

 

[-~Truth_N_Trust~-]

yes they can be forgiven. There is no sin too great. But that in no way makes it right or easy, and certainly does not guarantee the couple will have no consequences for their actions.

 

[darkshadow]

Forgiven by God? Yes, absolutely.

Forgiven by your "brothers and sisters in Christ?" Probably not.

Why do you say, "by your 'brothers and sisters in Christ?'"?

 

[darkshadow]

I mean that fellow Christians may not be be as easy to get forgiveness from as God. Other Christians may judge you harshly long after you've made peace with God.

I see, so not so much though that they are christian, but that they are human. We as humans tend to want forgiveness but not give forgiveness.

 

[darkshadow]

What about those that say, "They intentionally sinned, so they were not really saved anyways"?

 

[Diven]

What about those that say, "They intentionally sinned, so they were not really saved anyways"?

I think you are refering to a way of looking whether people can fall away or turn away from Christ. Some believe that once you enter a relationship with God you are saved eternally. However it seems apparent that there are people who fall away from the faith. So it is explained as them not having truly repented to enter into a relationship with Christ, and thus were never saved. I don't think commiting a deliberate sin is unforgivable, or indicates falling away from Christ. Any sin whether it theft, adultery, or having an abortion can be forgiven if the have a repentant heart and accept forgiveness.

 

[Yuyuchan]

Yes, they can be forgiven. Jesus all sins would be forgiven of a person except when someone says something bad about the Holy Ghost.

 

[sidnee]

Can they..sure.
But the idea of a married christian couple choosing abortion just seems a bit off to me..but then again maybe its just me

 

[MoNiCa4316]

All sins can be forgiven including abortion, but that is not an excuse to commit them willingly. Because if we know something is a sin but still do it just because 'it can be forgiven', we might not ever truly repent. Think about that..

Using God's mercy as an excuse to sin is an insult to God and a sin in itself.

that is my honest opinion.

 

[darkshadow]

All sins can be forgiven including abortion, but that is not an excuse to commit them willingly. Because if we know something is a sin but still do it just because 'it can be forgiven', we might not ever truly repent. Think about that..

Using God's mercy as an excuse to sin is an insult to God and a sin in itself.

that is my honest opinion.

I like you opinion, but don't we do just that when we are driving knowing good and well we are going to "fracture" the speed limit. I agree with you don't get me wrong, we should never plan on sinning.

 

[Texas Lynn]

There is absolutely no need for them to be forgiven for having an abortion as there is no sin whatsoever in having an abortion.

 

[Ave Maria]

There is absolutely no need for them to be forgiven for having an abortion as there is no sin whatsoever in having an abortion.

Exactly! Having an abortion is not a sin. It is not even a sin if it is a partial birth abortion. Therefore, there is no need for forgiveness because no sin is committed by the woman getting an abortion.

 

[darkshadow]

Except the murder of a child you mean right?

 

[Texas Lynn]

Except the murder of a child you mean right?

Not at all. Abortion is in no way at all "the murder of a child" and the assertion otherwise is merely unsupportable rhetoric. Never in the history of jurisprudence over millions of years has it been considered as such. The assertion is mere hyperbole, sloganeering by an extreme faction which the public has shown time and time again they are reluctant to make into public policy. Take last month's referendum on the topic in Colorado--it lost by a 75-25% margin. That is dismal for the forces pushing it. People recognize the position for the extremism that it is.

 

[darkshadow]

Not at all. Abortion is in no way at all "the murder of a child" and the assertion otherwise is merely unsupportable rhetoric. Never in the history of jurisprudence over millions of years has it been considered as such. The assertion is mere hyperbole, sloganeering by an extreme faction which the public has shown time and time again they are reluctant to make into public policy. Take last month's referendum on the topic in Colorado--it lost by a 75-25% margin. That is dismal for the forces pushing it. People recognize the position for the extremism that it is.

Nice talking points and spin. Does not mean it is not murder though.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Nice talking points and spin. Does not mean it is not murder though.

Facts are stubborn things, as Ronald Reagan said.

 

[Archivist]

Nice talking points and spin. Does not mean it is not murder though.

The basic definition of the term "murder" precludes abortion as being murder.

 

[darkshadow]

Facts are stubborn things, as Ronald Reagan said.

Since we are going to quote the great Ronald Reagan:
I know in my heart that man is good. That what is right will always eventually triumph. And there's purpose and worth to each and every life. - Ronald Reagan

That being said, The question apposed is in the mind set of that a true christian who would not be pro-abortion and abortion would be a sin since the Word of God says:

"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb." - Psalms 139:13

"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart" - Jeremiah 1:5a

To kill a being God created before they were "known" is murder and therefore a sin.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Since we are going to quote the great Ronald Reagan:
I know in my heart that man is good. That what is right will always eventually triumph. And there's purpose and worth to each and every life. - Ronald Reagan

These are the words on his tomb which seem to indicate that while he was a public face for the plutocracy he was also a liberal humanist. He certainly was when he signed California's liberal abortion law as Governor in 1967.

That being said, The question apposed is in the mind set of that a true christian who would not be pro-abortion and abortion would be a sin since the Word of God says:

"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb." - Psalms 139:13

"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart" - Jeremiah 1:5a

To kill a being God created before they were "known" is murder and therefore a sin.

That does not follow because the passages are poetry, not descriptions of literal events. Try as they might, the antichoice forces cannot find a "thou shalt not have an abortion" in the Bible though they keep trying to say such things as this suffice. But they do only for those engaged in wishful thinking.

There is no sin whatsoever in abortion. Assertions otherwise remain unproven and unsupportable.