Forcing the Chruch to accept homosexuality..

[Zaac]

Exactly.
The word of God has been givne many times, the word of homosxuals is 'God doesnt say', 'thats your interpretation', 'thats out of context'

Its a view based on denying God's word at every opportunity if it affects the god of gay

I almost bit my tongue off laughing and crying at the same time. Sadly that's what has transpired in this world. There is indeed an idolatrous god of gay.

 

[Phinehas2]

Lighthorseman,

I was pointing out that the nature of marriage is not and never has been, static.

Not for humans, but we were pointing out for God it is, as Zaac said and the word of God shows, God created woman to be in faithful union with man.

 

[Phinehas2]

Zaac,

I almost bit my tongue off laughing and crying at the same time. Sadly that's what has transpired in this world. There is indeed an idolatrous god of gay.

well it is, Romans 1 (like the pagan practices of men lying with men as with women in Leviticus) describes how people trun from God to idolotry and to same sex relations.

 

[LightHorseman]

Okay, let's say for instance, in Romans 1, Paul IS addressing Nero and his homosexual type 'wives' and the early homosexual pagan acts of the ancient Romans. Now if that were the case (and I believe it is) than what Paul wrote in Romans 1 about Nero and the early Roman pagan homosexual beliefs -- I would like to state to the church that there is every probability that speaking about Nero's male "wife" or "wives" is what got the early Christian's killed and fed to the lion's. And, possibly got Paul murdered as well.

Now if Christian's were killed for preaching this in ancient Rome, then it is unequivocally without a doubt not something that should be accepted by any Christian as anything other than sin. People got themselves killed for preaching this! So, to accept homosexuality as not sin, is like saying the Apostles were murdered for no reason, and that would just be horrible and I cannot accept that.

I have never, ever heard anyone suggest that Nero's persecution of Christians was based on them preaching against homosexuality.

 

[LightHorseman]

Sure you did. You called what vl32 said about marriage a touch simplistic and then proceeded to complicate what marriage is.

Because it was. What vl32 said didn't have anything to do with any written definitions

It is as static as the one who formed the covenant of marriage.

No, its not.

Learn the difference between what God says marriage is and what man has attempted to transform marriage into.

Look up "history of marriage". The institution has not been static through out time. It has a long and regularly changeing history, and thats without even considering homosexual involvement or lack thereof.

I don't have a wife.

Shocking.




One of the warnings to believers.
Jude 1 “3Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints. 4For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord [/quote]

 

[onemorequestion]

And notice that nowhere in there, as crazy as some of that might seem to man, God NEVER in His word examples marriage as being between two people of the same sex, but rather, ALWAYS affirms such a coupling as sinful.

Bing, bing, bing!!!

You win the prize for the correct answer.

 

[LightHorseman]

Bing, bing, bing!!!

You win the prize for the correct answer.

Since the Bible never mentions same sex marriage, how can it "ALWAYS affirms such a coupling as sinful"?

 

[vl32]

I have never, ever heard anyone suggest that Nero's persecution of Christians was based on them preaching against homosexuality.

I'm sure it was included in the calling of all sinners to repentance, and also makes sense and is quite a logical conclusion. (Can't post any links though. I tried that and my posts kept disappearing.)

 

[onemorequestion]

Marriage has never been consistent. In the ancient days, marriage was between brothers and sisters, or a man and many wives. Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines, and the only disapproval God had of that situation was the some of Solomon's wives were foreigners. God himself gave David another man's wives, and offered him even more.

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I'm waiting for you to point out any same gender marriages mentioned anywhere in the Bible.

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That's what I thought.

Marriage also used to be between 2 white people, or 2 black people, never 1 white 1 black.

When? Please state specific era's?

That is until us liberals pointed out the error of that "marriage" and got the courts to remove the ban on mixed race marriages.

You mean racist European and American courts?

It is a consistent conservative position to base morality on Christian ethics and not racist stances.

Marriage changes as society changes. Always has, always will.

Via corruption of the populace? Just like abortion and "no fault" divorce, and promiscuity rates so high virginity is almost not even understood anymore. One in four teen girls with an STD??? Do you still want to crow about liberal achievements?

One Christian denomination does not hold claim to the institution of marriage.

Per Jesus, marriage is a man and woman. Jesus was quoting the first man Adam after he was given his "wife" the woman Eve.

Any more liberalism you'ld like to discuss? I'll be around.

Oops, I forgot pornography as free speech.

 

[LightHorseman]

I'm sure it was included in the calling of all sinners to repentance, and also makes sense and is quite a logical conclusion. (Can't post any links though. I tried that and my posts kept disappearing.)

Again, I have never, ever, ever, seen anyone share that conclusion. I have read a bit about the Roman period too. I'm just saying.

 

[onemorequestion]

I'm sure it was included in the calling of all sinners to repentance, and also makes sense and is quite a logical conclusion. (Can't post any links though. I tried that and my posts kept disappearing.)

Notice that the Christians of today, that preach holiness and repentance, are hated by the same kind of crowd that Nero led? Notice that Christian bashing gets a pass?

 

[LightHorseman]

I'm waiting for you to point out any same gender marriages mentioned anywhere in the Bible.

vs.

Originally Posted by Zaac

And notice that nowhere in there, as crazy as some of that might seem to man, God NEVER in His word examples marriage as being between two people of the same sex, but rather, ALWAYS affirms such a coupling as sinful.
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Bing, bing, bing!!!

You win the prize for the correct answer.

Is a breath of consistency too much to ask for?

 

[onemorequestion]

Since the Bible never mentions same sex marriage, how can it "ALWAYS affirms such a coupling as sinful"?

Paul was quite the theologian. Arsenokoitai is arsen: man, koitai: sexual intercourse.

Are really trying to prop up gay marriage as holiness in Christian reality? Seriously?

 

[onemorequestion]

vs.



Is a breath of consistency too much to ask for?

My position on celebrating homosexuality as an abomination, has been utterly consistent here (and elsewhere) at Christian forums.

My positions are based on the clear teachings of the Bible.

 

[LightHorseman]

Notice that the Christians of today, that preach holiness and repentance, are hated by the same kind of crowd that Nero led? Notice that Christian bashing gets a pass?

Hate? Christian bashing? Sounds like http://www.christianforums.com/t7457096-4/#post54476881 might be relevent.

 

[LightHorseman]

Paul was quite the theologian. Arsenokoitai is arsen: man, koitai: sexual intercourse.

Are really trying to prop up gay marriage as holiness in Christian reality? Seriously?

I never remotely said that. I'm asking how one minute the Bible never mentions homosexual marriage squares with your support of the claim that the Bible alway condemns homosexual marriage.

Either it mentions it or it doesn't. You can't have both.

 

[onemorequestion]

Hate? Christian bashing? Sounds like http://www.christianforums.com/t7457096-4/#post54476881 might be relevent.

How did you not get banned from this website for this:

..."unfounded internet rumour that one of the Columbine murderers asked someone if they were a Christian before he killed her?

HE WAS PERSECUTING CHRISTIANS!

Thank goodness, Christians are being persecuted,

I am a Christian, therefore I am being persecuted, QED. I'm so glad I can sleep soundly in my warm queen size bed after eating twice my daily recomended caloric requirement and not feel guilty about the world's poor or starving. What with me being PERSECUTED and all, I must be on the right track. I can't wait for the "war on Christmas" to start up to make me feel even more persecuted and thereby justify my blatant crass consumerism!"

 

[onemorequestion]

I never remotely said that. I'm asking how one minute the Bible never mentions homosexual marriage squares with your support of the claim that the Bible alway condemns homosexual marriage.

It is liberalism that is saying that homosexuality is blessed and gay behavior is holiness. You cannot squirm out of that fact.

Either it mentions it or it doesn't. You can't have both.

It most certainly menrions "it" and condemns it. It's just that when shown all of the inappropriateness of gay behavior, the reply from the gey celebration crowd is "Where's your proof?" And when it is shown? "Where's your evidence?"

 

[LightHorseman]

How did you not get banned from this website for this:

For what, exactly?

 

[LightHorseman]

It is liberalism that is saying that homosexuality is blessed and gay behavior is holiness. You cannot squirm out of that fact.

If you say so

It most certainly menrions "it" and condemns it. It's just that when shown all of the inappropriateness of gay behavior, the reply from the gey celebration crowd is "Where's your proof?" And when it is shown? "Where's your evidence?"

So where? Where does the Bible mention same sex marriage? Chapter and verse please.