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Forcing Morality!!! Yea!
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Sorry, this to me indicates you don't understand the first thing about the English language.
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We as citizens of the state of California have voted in the governor and the rest of our law makers. We have voted and we have said as a community, that if you don't stop at this 'Stop' sign; we will have our police write you up for a traffic violation. You will pay with your $$$ because you broke the LAW!!! Our code of law and conduct state that you will STOP at the stop sign. If you don't we will FORCE OUR MORALITY UPON YOU and give you a fine.
You will conform to our rules of right conduct in our community or you will pay!!! HENCE, WE ARE FORCING OUR MORALITY ON YOU!!! YEA!
I am right, and I know exactly what I am talking about.
Forcing Morality: it's what's for communities.
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Sorry, this to me indicates you don't understand the first thing about the English language.
mo·ral·i·ty//ɪti, mɔ-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[muh-ral-i-tee, maw-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, plural -ties for 46. 1.conformity to the rules of right conduct; moral or virtuous conduct. 2.moral quality or character. 3.virtue in sexual matters; chastity. 4.a doctrine or system of morals. 5.moral instruction; a moral lesson, precept, discourse, or utterance.
We as citizens of the state of California have voted in the governor and the rest of our law makers. We have voted and we have said as a community, that if you don't stop at this 'Stop' sign; we will have our police write you up for a traffic violation. You will pay with your $$$ because you broke the LAW!!! Our code of law and conduct state that you will STOP at the stop sign. If you don't we will FORCE OUR MORALITY UPON YOU and give you a fine.
You will conform to our rules of right conduct in our community or you will pay!!! HENCE, WE ARE FORCING OUR MORALITY ON YOU!!! YEA!
I am right, and I know exactly what I am talking about.
Forcing Morality: it's what's for communities.
So you are saying that all laws are based on moral issues. Does this mean that if you don't see a stop sign, for whatever reason, that you have sinned? Does this mean that abortion is moral since it is legal?
When a policeman lies to a criminal, especially since this is legal, does that mean that lying is moral?
Stop signs, as with the majority of traffic violations, are a matter of public safety and not morality.
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Nathan Poe
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Obviously though, Shield, you do see some laws as inherently immoral -- Laws concerning abortion and homosexuality, for example.
Given that most people would not commit or support acts which they personally considered immoral (In extreme cases, people tend to rationalize it for themselves), how supportive are you of enforcing someone else's morality, when that morality does not conform to your own?
Given that most people would not commit or support acts which they personally considered immoral (In extreme cases, people tend to rationalize it for themselves), how supportive are you of enforcing someone else's morality, when that morality does not conform to your own?
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Nathan Poe
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We as citizens of the state of California have voted in the governor and the rest of our law makers. We have voted and we have said as a community, that if you don't stop at this 'Stop' sign; we will have our police write you up for a traffic violation. You will pay with your $$$ because you broke the LAW!!! Our code of law and conduct state that you will STOP at the stop sign. If you don't we will FORCE OUR MORALITY UPON YOU and give you a fine.
You will conform to our rules of right conduct in our community or you will pay!!! HENCE, WE ARE FORCING OUR MORALITY ON YOU!!! YEA!
Correct me if I'm wrong, Shield (and I'm sure you will) but the State of California also allows Abortion, and enforces that law with a lot more clout behind it than the traffic laws.
In fact, Shield, you might be interested in knowing that California is one of seven states that has passed laws that would keep abortion legal in the state even if Roe v. Wade were overturned. (Source here)
Run a stop sign, you'll pay some $$$. Block a pregnant woman from entering a clinic, and you get led away in handcuffs.
Sounds to me like California is enforcing the morality of Abortion with a lot more gusto than the morality of safe driving.
Forcing morality: It's what's for communities.
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Wait. How is the action of stopping at a stop sign "Moral." or not?
It's an issue of safety and common sense. Not morality, ie what's right/wrong from an ethical perspective.
And sometimes, some people don't stop at stop signs. They barrel right on through and nothing happens. So you don't always pay for not abiding by laws.
It's an issue of safety and common sense. Not morality, ie what's right/wrong from an ethical perspective.
And sometimes, some people don't stop at stop signs. They barrel right on through and nothing happens. So you don't always pay for not abiding by laws.
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Sorry, this to me indicates you don't understand the first thing about the English language.
mo·ral·i·ty//?ti, m?-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[muh-ral-i-tee, maw-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun, plural -ties for 4–6. 1.conformity to the rules of right conduct; moral or virtuous conduct. 2.moral quality or character. 3.virtue in sexual matters; chastity. 4.a doctrine or system of morals. 5.moral instruction; a moral lesson, precept, discourse, or utterance.
We as citizens of the state of California have voted in the governor and the rest of our law makers. We have voted and we have said as a community, that if you don't stop at this 'Stop' sign; we will have our police write you up for a traffic violation. You will pay with your $$$ because you broke the LAW!!! Our code of law and conduct state that you will STOP at the stop sign. If you don't we will FORCE OUR MORALITY UPON YOU and give you a fine.
You will conform to our rules of right conduct in our community or you will pay!!! HENCE, WE ARE FORCING OUR MORALITY ON YOU!!! YEA!
I am right, and I know exactly what I am talking about.
Forcing Morality: it's what's for communities.
Interesting
San Francisco is kind of the Gay Mecca. Is homosexuality moral, since it isn't prevented by force?
You can have premarital sex legally. Is that moral, because it isn't prevented by force?
You can say that there is no God, not go to church, and never intend to become a Christian. You can worship your Prada shoes.
Is that moral, according to the bible, because it isn't forced either.
You can hate your brother (as long as you don't harm him.) You can lie about your weight, your age, or a number of things that don't qualify as pergury. You can be materialistic, rude, arrogant, selfish, self-centered, and the law can do nothing.
You control nothing. You are wrong, as usual.
There is no "forcing" of morality.
There are restrictions to harming another person, self, or another's property.
Beyond that, everyone has total freedom, and your "control" of morality is impotent.
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Braunwyn
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Most mornings on my way to work I take a right on red (the light is always red lol) even though a sign says no right on red. I do this along with other motorists on their way to the rail. Surely we are an immoral bunch.
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Well, Boston is traffic hell and based on my experience with MA drivers we're in need of a good traffic school.
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Actually, I think that's what we call "justice" and "consequences". We execute the one to save the many... ooh.... maybe that's my next signature? Nah....
Do the wrong thing, expect the consequences, even if they take your life. That's Life in general.
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You don't need to kill them to protect the public. You just need to lock them up.
Death is the consequence, says you. But that's an entirely artificial consequence. You can't pretend it's the natural course of things for murderers to just die on the spot.
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Justice is more than eye for an eye. It is in part to protect the public and part to protect the perpetrator. Yes, even rapists and the like--there is no way to teach them the hurtfulness and wrong of their ways if you just hang them when you catch them, though in the cases of child molesters it can be REAL tempting.
You can't someone and force them to do right. You would have to hold a gun to their head and watch them 24/7, and if you take this into the area of faith, then what you have is not true faith but someone putting on an act so they won't be killed.
Consequences are all well and good, but unless they also teach WHY one must not do a thing, all they do is provide deterents. Not a bad thing, but also not enough for real social reform.
You can't someone and force them to do right. You would have to hold a gun to their head and watch them 24/7, and if you take this into the area of faith, then what you have is not true faith but someone putting on an act so they won't be killed.
Consequences are all well and good, but unless they also teach WHY one must not do a thing, all they do is provide deterents. Not a bad thing, but also not enough for real social reform.
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Agreed.
The duty of the penal system is to protect the public, and perhaps also to allow reparation and reformation by those who have harmed others; it is not to hand out punishments.
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I vote this the worst post of 2008!
"Not to hand out punishments???" Que?
You really haven't paid attention to the Word of God. Seriously.
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience' sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God's ministers attending continually to this very thing. --Romans 13
<<<PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD; READ THIS>>>
[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]4 For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.
Please stop trying to destroy what GOD has said!!!
Just listen to HIM and you will do alright.
SOLI DEO GLORIA.
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