Forcing Morality!!! Yea!

[ShieldOFaith]

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Yes! We force morality on you every day! It is a good thing. I started this thread in response to a post by IzzyPop in another thread.




Forcing morality is a good thing. Criminals need to be forced to do what is right. That is why we have Police officers.



SOLA GRATIA.

 

[wanderingone]

We don't actually force "morality" we attempt to create behavior patterns that are beneficial to the community. So you can be a bigot... but you can't act on legally by discriminating against me. You can hate the kid next door, but can't legally do away with him. You might think it's coolest thing in the world to torture stray dogs, but legally you can't. It's not meant to make you embrace someone else's morality, it's meant to force you to stew in your own juices rather than force them on another.

 

[Meshavrischika]

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Yes! We force morality on you every day! It is a good thing. I started this thread in response to a post by IzzyPop in another thread.




Forcing morality is a good thing. Criminals need to be forced to do what is right. That is why we have Police officers.



SOLA GRATIA.

what does this accomplish? is this a religious thing for you?

 

[Meshavrischika]

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Yes! We force morality on you every day! It is a good thing. I started this thread in response to a post by IzzyPop in another thread.




Forcing morality is a good thing. Criminals need to be forced to do what is right. That is why we have Police officers.



SOLA GRATIA.

what does this accomplish? is this a religious thing for you?

 

[gengwall]

We don't actually force "morality" we attempt to create behavior patterns that are beneficial to the community. So you can be a bigot... but you can't act on legally by discriminating against me. You can hate the kid next door, but can't legally do away with him. You might think it's coolest thing in the world to torture stray dogs, but legally you can't. It's not meant to make you embrace someone else's morality, it's meant to force you to stew in your own juices rather than force them on another.

Bingo

 

[True_Blue]

When the abolitionists before the Civil War tried to pass laws to abolish slavery, the Southern slave-owners viewed that as an attempt to force anti-slavery morality upon them, and take away their private property and their states' rights. If you disagree with the moral underpinning of a particular law, like the 13th Amendment's abolition of slavery, you're going to view that law as an attempt by one group of people to impose their morality upon you, not recognizing that the whole point of law is to impose morality.

Law also changes moral attitudes. It took a few decades after the Civil War before southerners were able to internalize that slavery is bad, and it took the 1964 Civil Rights Act to make people internalize that discrimination on the basis of skin color is bad. We need laws not only to change behavior but to show us the difference between right and wrong.

 

[GrayCat]

Not cool, SOF.



In my immoral view anyway. :-D

 

[wanderingone]

When the abolitionists before the Civil War tried to pass laws to abolish slavery, the Southern slave-owners viewed that as an attempt to force anti-slavery morality upon them, and take away their private property and their states' rights. If you disagree with the moral underpinning of a particular law, like the 13th Amendment's abolition of slavery, you're going to view that law as an attempt by one group of people to impose their morality upon you, not recognizing that the whole point of law is to impose morality.

Law also changes moral attitudes. It took a few decades after the Civil War before southerners were able to internalize that slavery is bad, and it took the 1964 Civil Rights Act to make people internalize that discrimination on the basis of skin color is bad. We need laws not only to change behavior but to show us the difference between right and wrong.

The realization that discrimination is wrong is why the act was passed, someone has to realize something is not beneficial to the community before the law can exist. The Civil Rights Act does not define your morals, it defines your legal rights. I can think whatever I want about people who don't look like me, I just can't legally discriminate against them.

The morals exist before and after the law and certainly may influence people but they don't define your individual belief system.

 

[quatona]

Yes! We force morality on you every day!

Let´s say you try to.

 

[AnimalMother]

Public and Private Laws: Main Page

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Yes! We force morality on you every day! It is a good thing. I started this thread in response to a post by IzzyPop in another thread.




Forcing morality is a good thing. Criminals need to be forced to do what is right. That is why we have Police officers.



SOLA GRATIA.

Weeeell.

Didn't know what the private laws were, so I checked your link.

Private laws: Affect an individual, family, or small group. Private laws are enacted to assist citizens that have been injured by government programs or who are appealing an executive agency ruling such as deportation. Private laws citations include the abbreviation, Pvt.L., the Congress number (e.g. 107), and the number of the law. For example: Pvt.L. 107-006.

So, if an atheist got wrongly deported, would he get a compensation? Or is that the actual plan to force morality on me?

 

[IzzyPop]

Should be post #11

Public and Private Laws: Main Page

Public and private laws are prepared and published by the Office of the Federal Register (OFR), National Archives and Records Administration (NARA). GPO Access contains the text of public and private laws enacted from the 104th Congress to the present.
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/plaws/index.html



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Yes! We force morality on you every day! It is a good thing. I started this thread in response to a post by IzzyPop in another thread.




Forcing morality is a good thing. Criminals need to be forced to do what is right. That is why we have Police officers.



SOLA GRATIA.

Laws do not make something moral or immoral. Say we passed a law legalizing abortion, would that make abortion moral in your eyes? How about a law recognizing that homosexual marriages are legal? Would that make homosexuality moral in your eyes?

 

[ShieldOFaith]

what does this accomplish? is this a religious thing for you?

It is a right and wrong thing. It is good and right to force morality on evil.

Murderers need to have morality forced upon them. We as a community have deemed murder wrong and evil. We force you not to do it. If you do do it; we hang you by the neck until dead.

SOLA GRATIA.

 

[Sitswithamouse]

It is a right and wrong thing. It is good and right to force morality on evil.

Murderers need to have morality forced upon them. We as a community have deemed murder wrong and evil. We force you not to do it. If you do do it; we hang you by the neck until dead.

SOLA GRATIA.

Then you too would be a murderer, sir.

 

[GrayCat]

Please please tell me you realize what you have just said...

Namely that hanging someone for Murder is murder itself. Which you claim is a sin. So then the person who hanged the murderer has to be hung himself for murder, and where does it end?

I hope you have a solid justification for what you are implying.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

Please please tell me you realize what you have just said...

Namely that hanging someone for Murder is murder itself. Which you claim is a sin. So then the person who hanged the murderer has to be hung himself for murder, and where does it end?

I hope you have a solid justification for what you are implying.

I have plenty:

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]16 'But if he strikes him with an iron implement, so that he dies, he is a murderer; the murderer shall surely be put to death. 17 And if he strikes him with a stone in the hand, by which one could die, and he does die, he is a murderer; the murderer shall surely be put to death. 18 Or if he strikes him with a wooden hand weapon, by which one could die, and he does die, he is a murderer; the murderer shall surely be put to death. 19 The avenger of blood himself shall put the murderer to death; when he meets him, he shall put him to death. 20 If he pushes him out of hatred or, while lying in wait, hurls something at him so that he dies, 21 or in enmity he strikes him with his hand so that he dies, the one who struck him shall surely be put to death. He is a murderer. The avenger of blood shall put the murderer to death when he meets him. 22 'However, if he pushes him suddenly without enmity, or throws anything at him without lying in wait, 23 or uses a stone, by which a man could die, throwing it at him without seeing him, so that he dies, while he was not his enemy or seeking his harm, 24 then the congregation shall judge between the manslayer and the avenger of blood according to these judgments. 25 So the congregation shall deliver the manslayer from the hand of the avenger of blood, and the congregation shall return him to the city of refuge where he had fled, and he shall remain there until the death of the high priest who was anointed with the holy oil. 26 But if the manslayer at any time goes outside the limits of the city of refuge where he fled, 27 and the avenger of blood finds him outside the limits of his city of refuge, and the avenger of blood kills the manslayer, he shall not be guilty of blood, 28 because he should have remained in his city of refuge until the death of the high priest. But after the death of the high priest the manslayer may return to the land of his possession. 29 'And these things shall be a statute of judgment to you throughout your generations in all your dwellings. 30 Whoever kills a person, the murderer shall be put to death on the testimony of witnesses; but one witness is not sufficient testimony against a person for the death penalty. 31 Moreover you shall take no ransom for the life of a murderer who is guilty of death, but he shall surely be put to death. --Numbers 35

GOD says that we should kill murderers. Not "murder", but kill. We put them to death. Awesome!

When you do things correctly according to GOD'S Word, it is good and holy.

Capital punishment is a very very good thing.

SOLA GRATIA.
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[quatona]

Murderers need to have morality forced upon them. We as a community have deemed murder wrong and evil.

We as a community have deemed religious fanatism wrong and evil, as well.

We force you not to do it. If you do do it; we hang you by the neck until dead.

In which case you quite obviously haven´t succeeded in forcing me not to do it.

 

[IzzyPop]

And since the laws making sodomy illegal were struck down, I guess that makes in moral, then? That seems to be what you are saying, SoF. What about abortion? It is legal, yet you seem to find it immoral.

Logic is not a strong suit of yours, is it?

 

[IzzyPop]

And since the laws making sodomy illegal were struck down, I guess that makes in moral, then? That seems to be what you are saying, SoF. What about abortion? It is legal, yet you seem to find it immoral.

Logic is not a strong suit of yours, is it?

 

[kiwimac]

I have plenty:

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]16 'But if he strikes him with an iron implement, so that he dies, he is a murderer; the murderer shall surely be put to death. 17 And if he strikes him with a stone in the hand, by which one could die, and he does die, he is a murderer; the murderer shall surely be put to death. 18 Or if he strikes him with a wooden hand weapon, by which one could die, and he does die, he is a murderer; the murderer shall surely be put to death. 19 The avenger of blood himself shall put the murderer to death; when he meets him, he shall put him to death. 20 If he pushes him out of hatred or, while lying in wait, hurls something at him so that he dies, 21 or in enmity he strikes him with his hand so that he dies, the one who struck him shall surely be put to death. He is a murderer. The avenger of blood shall put the murderer to death when he meets him. 22 'However, if he pushes him suddenly without enmity, or throws anything at him without lying in wait, 23 or uses a stone, by which a man could die, throwing it at him without seeing him, so that he dies, while he was not his enemy or seeking his harm, 24 then the congregation shall judge between the manslayer and the avenger of blood according to these judgments. 25 So the congregation shall deliver the manslayer from the hand of the avenger of blood, and the congregation shall return him to the city of refuge where he had fled, and he shall remain there until the death of the high priest who was anointed with the holy oil. 26 But if the manslayer at any time goes outside the limits of the city of refuge where he fled, 27 and the avenger of blood finds him outside the limits of his city of refuge, and the avenger of blood kills the manslayer, he shall not be guilty of blood, 28 because he should have remained in his city of refuge until the death of the high priest. But after the death of the high priest the manslayer may return to the land of his possession. 29 'And these things shall be a statute of judgment to you throughout your generations in all your dwellings. 30 Whoever kills a person, the murderer shall be put to death on the testimony of witnesses; but one witness is not sufficient testimony against a person for the death penalty. 31 Moreover you shall take no ransom for the life of a murderer who is guilty of death, but he shall surely be put to death. --Numbers 35

GOD says that we should kill murderers. Not "murder", but kill. We put them to death. Awesome!

When you do things correctly according to GOD'S Word, it is good and holy.

Capital punishment is a very very good thing.

SOLA GRATIA.
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28 March 2008, 1428 hrs:

You DO realise that the OT laws were done away with by Christ's death, do you not?

 

[GrayCat]

How is "murder" different than "kill"? They both mean the same thing - to take the life of someone.

And i am more interested in hearing your own words, not those of the Bible. If i wanted to know what the bible said, I could read it myself.

What is your personal logic for why killing those who kill others is acceptable? (as opposed to putting them in jail for life, for instance?)

My second question is, Do you believe in Forgiveness of those who sin? I.e, do you believe in, as the Bible i think phrases it, "Turning the other cheek"?