For you democrat's...

[pacomascarot]

Grammar Police are tiresome no matter where they come from.

Dimbulbs are also tiresome. Especially when they act like they have some big insight but clearly can't even handle the simple elementary school stuff.

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

Dimbulbs are also tiresome. Especially when they act like they have some big insight but clearly can't even handle the simple elementary school stuff.

Weak shade.

 

[pacomascarot]

Weak shade.

...as was yours. But don't feel bad.

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

...as was yours. But don't feel bad.

I don't.

 

[pacomascarot]

I don't.

Good! Teflon irony meters are hard to come by these days.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Well it's odd that things like this...

View attachment 307146

Or this...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...oQFnoECCkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1cowep5MFl4phVrwe8tbS5

Never really provoked a FBI response....but hey, corrupt bureaucrats weren't raking in millions of dollars off it.

It didn't?
LEOKA | Federal Bureau of Investigation
https://cops.usdoj.gov/RIC/Publications/cops-p340-pub.pdf

I don't work in teaching....and I could be completely wrong about all of this.

I do work for the federal government though, and I'm well aware of how federal funding works.

I'm not challenging the contention that federal funding often comes with strings - it obviously does.

I'm challenging the contention that the strings you described exist.

From the article...

These surveys are then used as justification for new curriculum that some parents call critical race theory and find objectionable.

That's what Merrick Garland's son in law does. He sells surveys to schools and tells them they need the various Culturally Responsive Teaching programs that are loaded with CRT concepts that parents have been protesting.

Or Forbes is lying and will shortly be sued by Panorama Education.

IME, Forbes is mostly a dumpster fire and this article doesn't substantiate that claim.

Additionally, lots of people call lots of things "CRT" without having any idea what they're talking about.

To fill out an online survey and get curriculum suggestions.

You alleged that they were raking in "millions" off contracts that could rightfully be done for $500k. I was pointing out that few of their contracts even broke $500k and most were for far less than that.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Or that a parent speaking at a school board meeting during the time that is set aside for that purpose can be labelled a "domestic terrorist" by his or her government for doing so.

What evidence exists for this being the case?

 

[Hank77]

What threats? I get that Garland has said the threats exist....but what are they?

https://nsba.org/-/media/NSBA/File/...ic-schools-and-school-board-members-92921.pdf

Recently, school board officials across the country have been threatened with violence, including one incident where a protester brandished a flagpole against a school board official.
https://www.upworthy.com/jen-psaki-fox-news-school-board-protests

In Indiana, school board members have received threatening emails, been chased to their cars, and one person brought a gun to a meeting.
The Proud Boys showed up in their full garb with black masks at school board meetings in NH and OR.

Should it take someone being shot or run over before the FBI is made aware of instances of threats?

 

[Ana the Ist]

https://nsba.org/-/media/NSBA/File/...ic-schools-and-school-board-members-92921.pdf

Recently, school board officials across the country have been threatened with violence, including one incident where a protester brandished a flagpole against a school board official.
https://www.upworthy.com/jen-psaki-fox-news-school-board-protests

Brandished a flagpole? Is that different or the same as waving a flag?

In Indiana, school board members have received threatening emails,

What threats?

been chased to their cars,

Chased or followed?

and one person brought a gun to a meeting.

I'm sure he got arrested for it.

The Proud Boys showed up in their full garb with black masks at school board meetings in NH and OR.

If they wore masks....how did you know they were proud boys?

If you don't want masks...you should have insisted on Antifa de-masking about 5+ years ago.

Should it take someone being shot or run over before the FBI is made aware of instances of threats?

If you want to be consistent....

You should at least wait until a couple of schools are burned down, some autonomous zones are set up, multiple people are murdered....and then call it a "winter of love" and insist the feds aren't needed.

 

[Paulos23]

There is nothing unreasonable about a citizen being alarmed at the proposed policy of the federal government that it should be notified when anyone takes even a few hundred dollars out of their bank account.

Sure, but how is that losing freedom since the bank tracks that anyway, and other companies track your spending habits as well? Why complain about the government since companies are doing it as well?

Or that when anyone immigrates to the USA, the policy is not to even check to see if they're criminals or carrying a disease.

I still fail to see how that is going to impede my freedoms. I do agree the whole immigration system needs to be overhauled, but the OP didn't mention disease or criminals, just that the borders are "open". If you want to limit illegal immigration the legal immigration process needs to be staffed well and have policies that make sense (even having a quarantine period if needed).

As it is now, it is easier for them to cross the border or outstay a VISA and ask for forgiveness than go through the legal process. Securing the border, even with a wall, will not stop that until the legal immigration process is improved.

Or that a parent speaking at a school board meeting during the time that is set aside for that purpose can be labelled a "domestic terrorist" by his or her government for doing so.

You haven't been to some of those meetings. Neighbors threatening neighbors over masks or no masks; shot or no shot.

There is verbal disagreement, then there is trying to terrorize your neighbor to get your way. If that ends up being labeled as "domestic terrorist", maybe it should be.

It is, in fact, scary to observe anyone being berated on these forums for nothing more than raising those very moderate and reasonable questions.

Yes, but then the OP went as far as to say we were losing freedoms, a bit of a stretch from those questions. So I just took it the other way, stretching it just as much.

 

[Hank77]

Brandished a flagpole? Is that different or the same as waving a flag?



What threats?



Chased or followed?



I'm sure he got arrested for it.



If they wore masks....how did you know they were proud boys?

If you don't want masks...you should have insisted on Antifa de-masking about 5+ years ago.



If you want to be consistent....

You should at least wait until a couple of schools are burned down, some autonomous zones are set up, multiple people are murdered....and then call it a "winter of love" and insist the feds aren't needed.

LOL I'm not an Antifa fan.

 

[Ana the Ist]

It didn't?
LEOKA | Federal Bureau of Investigation
https://cops.usdoj.gov/RIC/Publications/cops-p340-pub.pdf

That document is gigantic. Is any part of it related to protesters threatening police or not?

I'm not challenging the contention that federal funding often comes with strings - it obviously does.

Right.

I'm challenging the contention that the strings you described exist.

That's fair. What part of it do you think I have wrong?

IME, Forbes is mostly a dumpster fire and this article doesn't substantiate that claim.

I don't think Forbes is dumb enough to make that claim if they couldn't substantiate it.

It would make them liable for any business Panorama Education lost as a result of it if it wasn't true.

If it makes you feel better though, National Review cracked the story last week. I waited until someone more reputable looked into it.

Additionally, lots of people call lots of things "CRT" without having any idea what they're talking about.

Not really relevant. Parents have identified the curriculum and where it comes from. Call it pink snowflake theory if you want.

You alleged that they were raking in "millions" off contracts that could rightfully be done for $500k. I was pointing out that few of their contracts even broke $500k and most were for far less than that.

Honestly, I can do it for far cheaper. For a mere 10$ a school, I could make a website, shorten the survey to one question..

"Does your school need improving?"

For every answer Y/N, I can refer them to the hucksters who peddle CRT near them.

Of course, I'll need money from those hucksters for the referral. I gotta eat after all.

 

[Ana the Ist]

LOL I'm not an Antifa fan.

Hey me neither.

 

[Albion]

Sure, but how is that losing freedom since the bank tracks that anyway,

It's on record, of course, but it's not information that by law must be forwarded to the IRS or DOJ, nor do the banks do that. You may know that transactions of $10,000 must be reported, at present, but the proposal to substitute a $600 limit would make the great majority of citizens be under surveillance by the federal government for so much as withdrawing money to buy a household appliance, ordinary Christmas presents, or to pay for routine repairs.

I still fail to see how that is going to impede my freedoms.

If you do not think that criminal activity including thefts, breaking and entering, smuggling, rapes, unlicensed drivers, muggings, drug pushers, etc. poses no threat to the ordinary citizens of a country, and especially to the most vulnerable of them, I probably cannot help you. And that's not to say anything about people entering the country unimpeded who have active cases of TB, Covid 19, polio, and so on. Liberals talk all the time about how everyone must be vaccinated...but where's any concern over millions of unknown persons being allowed into the country with no medical checks required?

 

[SilverBear]

Brandished a flagpole? Is that different or the same as waving a flag?



What threats?



Chased or followed?

Did you read the attachments? Obviously no.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Which is kind of why I listed the words.

Really? You listed all the words in the English language?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Did you read the attachments? Obviously no.

I read them. If you think you can answer any of my questions with the information therein....go for it.

 

[pacomascarot]

Really? You listed all the words in the English language?

Words in the post that you said were made up.

(The meds wearing off?)

 

[ThatRobGuy]

With regard's to what the democrat's are doing with these policy's and how they impact my liberty's...

While I would agree that the banking transaction's intrusion may create some concern's, the rest of the thing's mentioned are are over-exaggeration's from what I can tell.

First off, nobody that I'm aware of is calling for outright open border's. Apart from Libertarian's, but they're the group that tend's to lean more conservative on many a thing.

With regard's to the tip line, thats not a new thing... There are several video's showing people getting downright hostile at school board meeting's...some even escalating to physical violence. If a guy is willing to punch another guy over expressing support for a mask mandate at a meeting, what is that guy going to do when he hear's that the teacher made his kid wear a mask?

Snarky apostrophe use aside...

With regards to the Trump quote "they are not coming after me, they are coming after you, I am just in the way."


While a catchy bumper sticker, it really has no meaningful substance.
Gun possession and lower taxation, that's about the only things Trump was on the liberty side of. The rest of his time was spent pandering to people who wanted to restrict freedom for people engaging in behavior they personally objected to.

Convincing white rural Christians that they were some how "the victim" based on the fact that they couldn't impose their will on everyone else anymore was what he was really good at.


The reason why I stopped voting for the GOP (which happened around the time when I watched McCain get booed at his own rally, for saying that Obama was not "Radical Muslim", but a decent man who he just happened to have strong disagreement with) was because of that narrow myopic view of "liberty".

When "Freedom" and "state of the nation" is reduced to "what size magazine can I own for my AR?", "making sure Christian morals are regarded as Top Dog", and "paying $2.98 a gallon for gas instead of $3.20", that is a very narrow lens.

While gun ownership certainly is an important freedom (I own several of them, and carry for self defense), it's not the only freedom. I'm more concerned about republicans trying to strip away rights from women and gays, restricting voting rights of black people (because black people don't tend to vote for them) and impose an evangelical code on people than I am democrats taking my guns away. That "dems are coming for your guns" trope has been espoused for years...yet, interestingly enough, nobody has ever showed up to take mine away...weird.

Yet, Republican states have been passing laws that actually do impact peoples' freedoms.

 

[Albion]

While I would agree that the banking transaction's intrusion may create some concern's, the rest of the thing's mentioned are are over-exaggeration's from what I can tell.

First off, nobody that I'm aware of is calling for outright open border's.

Technically, you are right. But the border is so porous as to be nearly an open border. Tens of thousands of people are simply walking into the country unimpeded, day after day, two million this year already, and the border patrol has been prevented from doing its job in the face of what amounts to a "come one, come all" kind of invitation having been issued by the President. You are quibbling over the term "open border" but the reality is what it is. And then those immigrants who are dispersed across the country courtesy of the US Government have been shielded from deportation by other new decrees from Biden.

There are several video's showing people getting downright hostile at school board meeting's...some even escalating to physical violence. If a guy is willing to punch another guy over expressing support for a mask mandate at a meeting, what is that guy going to do when he hear's that the teacher made his kid wear a mask?

There already are laws about that. What the issue here and now concerns is considering all parents and citizens who show up and simply voice disapproval of the School Board policies to be "domestic terrorists!" It's an outrage and certainly a threat to liberty.

From here on, that post moved into the now-familiar but tiresome ranting about previous presidents and other people not involved in our topic, so I'll end my post here.