For you democrat's...

[rambot]

How shameful to suggest such a thing! I didn't.

Infection? It absolutely follows from the Covid narrative established by the CDC, WHO, FDA, etc.

Yes, there are individuals who are coming across who may be sick.
There are individuals coming across who may participate in said criminal activity too.

The question is, is it meaningful enough to speak as though it is a HUGE problem as opposed to an occurance.

 

[iluvatar5150]

It appears that both red and blue states have school systems that have signed contracts with the company.

However, records posted by our auditors at OpenTheBooks.com reveal that school districts in Texas, Michigan, Florida, Indiana, Rhode Island, Oregon, Iowa, Utah, North Carolina, New Hampshire, Georgia, New Mexico, Illinois, Wyoming, California, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maine, Virginia, and Ohio all hired Panorama Education for training and/or surveys.
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While Garland cites threats of violence against school officials, parents and other activists say they’re exercising their constitutional right to object to school practices.

Is it anyone's constitutional right to threaten violence against someone because they don't agree with you?

Yeah, how does reporting threats of violence to a pre-existing hotline turn into reporting disagreements to a new hotline?

 

[Ana the Ist]

I don't understand the problem. Is Garland going to make money from this or what is the problem? What is Garland being accused of? What has he done?

Fair enough....I'll explain how this works.

Schools apply for and receive federal funding. That federal funding often comes with suggestions and priorities. If you want more funding in the future...you follow the suggestions.

So the suggestions like "focus on social-emotion learning" followed shortly by a suggestion to work with a company like Panorama Education. Panorama then takes millions in federal funding to do surveys that you could probably do for 500k. The results of these surveys will inevitably be "we conclude that your black and brown students aren't doing so well" and suggest working with other companies that "teach a more engaging and diverse curriculum"....and they get federal funding as well.

The curriculum changes and students go home telling their parents that the US is evil and racist or they're being oppressed or are oppressive. The parents get mad and talk to the schools.

The schools tell them "this is what we're doing now"...and the parents start protesting school board meetings. Republican governors see this, start banning the new curriculum....and the people making millions selling surveys to public schools start worrying about their kickbacks.

That's when Merrick Garland's son in law says "hey dad, these protests are costing me millions"...and Garland figures "I should have the FBI "check this out" so our little corrupt fascistic looting of the American taxpayer under the guise of improving education can continue."

 

[Hank77]

It was part of the American Rescue Plan. https://www.pwc.com/us/en/services/...ct-lowers-form-1099k-reporting-threshold.html

Thanks, that helped a bunch.

 

[Hank77]

Schools apply for and receive federal funding. That federal funding often comes with suggestions and priorities. If you want more funding in the future...you follow the suggestions.

Who in the government suggested that school districts should buy products from this company?

So the school systems that haven't bought the products from the company won't be able to get federal funding?

 

[Vylo]

Do you support the government receiving all of your banking transactions for the year?

I'm not sure I care too much either way, but it seems like a waste. I would vote against it but I'm not about to lose sleep over it.

Are you ok with a completely open border where we have no idea who is coming in?

No. The only way I could see that is if Canada and Mexico were both highly secure and had similar laws to us, kind of like the EU.

Are you ok with the DOJ setting up a phone line so people can call to get someone investigated by the FBI from a school board meeting with no evidence it is a chronic problem.

The DOJ is free to try and collect volunteered evidence from anyone.

All of these policies reduce your freedom and liberty. How much freedom will they have to take away before you will stand up Biden and his ilk?

Only the first one can be construed to limit any freedom (Privacy).

To save our freedoms we need you democrat's to start pushing back on these policies and overreaching power grabs by the government. If you don't, then they will soon come for something you disagree with and you will be power less to stop it. Trump was right when he said "they are not coming after me, they are coming after you, I am just in the way." He did not just mean conservatives, he meant all of us.

What freedoms do you think we should fight for?[/QUOTE]


The second isn't governmental overreach, it is the exact opposite. The third isn't overreach either it is just enforcement.

Trump wasn't in the way, he was coming after people's freedoms as well. Remember he wanted to take away people's guns with no due process. He stole lifesaving equipment for the people to resell to them. He took away their right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. He routinely attacked the first amendment, trying to strip people of their freedom of speech and press. He gassed a peaceful protest for a photo op. He and his cronies are still trying to take away people's right to vote as we speak.

What freedoms do I think we should fight for?

Foremost is the right to vote. Without that, someone has no voice in the country and there cannot be a peaceful resolution to that.

Next would be the right to freedom of expression and the press as we have in the constitution.

Then the right to self defense. This doesn't mean everyone gets their own howitzer, but it also means I reject many ways I see certain dems going after gun rights through ponderous regulation.

There are of course many more rights to fight for but these are the big 4 for me.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Yeah, how does reporting threats of violence to a pre-existing hotline turn into reporting disagreements to a new hotline?

Well it's odd that things like this...

Or this...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...oQFnoECCkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1cowep5MFl4phVrwe8tbS5

Never really provoked a FBI response....but hey, corrupt bureaucrats weren't raking in millions of dollars off it.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Who in the government suggested that school districts should buy products from this company?

So the school systems that haven't bought the products from the company won't be able to get federal funding?

That's how federal funding works.

Did you think schools just got money to spend on whatever they wanted?

Archived: 10 Fact About K-12 Education Funding

This is an old one, but look at point 8.

Federal education program "requirements" are not unfunded mandates because the conditions in federal law apply only when a state (or other grantee) voluntarily chooses to accept federal funds. Any state that does not want to abide by a federal program's requirements can simply choose not to accept the federal funds associated with that program. While most states choose to accept and use federal program funds, in the past, a few states have forgone funds for various reasons.

So when the government says "you want these funds? You gotta spend x on y" if you don't agree you don't get funds.

 

[Ana the Ist]

It appears that both red and blue states have school systems that have signed contracts with the company.

However, records posted by our auditors at OpenTheBooks.com reveal that school districts in Texas, Michigan, Florida, Indiana, Rhode Island, Oregon, Iowa, Utah, North Carolina, New Hampshire, Georgia, New Mexico, Illinois, Wyoming, California, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maine, Virginia, and Ohio all hired Panorama Education for training and/or surveys.
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While Garland cites threats of violence against school officials, parents and other activists say they’re exercising their constitutional right to object to school practices.

Is it anyone's constitutional right to threaten violence against someone because they don't agree with you?

What threats? I get that Garland has said the threats exist....but what are they?

 

[Hank77]

That's how federal funding works.

Did you think schools just got money to spend on whatever they wanted?

Archived: 10 Fact About K-12 Education Funding

This is an old one, but look at point 8.

Federal education program "requirements" are not unfunded mandates because the conditions in federal law apply only when a state (or other grantee) voluntarily chooses to accept federal funds. Any state that does not want to abide by a federal program's requirements can simply choose not to accept the federal funds associated with that program. While most states choose to accept and use federal program funds, in the past, a few states have forgone funds for various reasons.

So when the government says "you want these funds? You gotta spend x on y" if you don't agree you don't get funds.

You didn't answer either one of my questions, can you do that?
Remember this is about some school districts within a state, not all school districts with a state. So are school districts that don't buy the products will not receive federal funding?
If that is the case my state's schools will not be receiving any funding because none of the districts in my state have bought the products.

Who in the government suggested that school districts should buy products from this company?

So the school systems that haven't bought the products from the company won't be able to get federal funding?

 

[iluvatar5150]

Schools apply for and receive federal funding. That federal funding often comes with suggestions and priorities. If you want more funding in the future...you follow the suggestions.

Has any federal funding had such strings attached?

So the suggestions like "focus on social-emotion learning" followed shortly by a suggestion to work with a company like Panorama Education. Panorama then takes millions in federal funding to do surveys that you could probably do for 500k.

Your Forbes article linked to a report showing what I understood to be a list of all of Panorama's public school contracts. Only a handful were over $500k and unless I missed something, all were for NYC schools. I think I only saw one over $250k that was for a place other than NYC (Dallas). The vast majority of the contracts were for less than $100k.

The results of these surveys will inevitably be "we conclude that your black and brown students aren't doing so well" and suggest working with other companies that "teach a more engaging and diverse curriculum"....and they get federal funding as well.

The curriculum changes and students go home telling their parents that the US is evil and racist or they're being oppressed or are oppressive. The parents get mad and talk to the schools.

The schools tell them "this is what we're doing now"...and the parents start protesting school board meetings. Republican governors see this, start banning the new curriculum....and the people making millions selling surveys to public schools start worrying about their kickbacks.

That's when Merrick Garland's son in law says "hey dad, these protests are costing me millions"...and Garland figures "I should have the FBI "check this out" so our little corrupt fascistic looting of the American taxpayer under the guise of improving education can continue."

Does this dynamic exist anywhere other than your imagination?

 

[Ana the Ist]

And all they have to do to get that approval is bury it in the fine print with the default option being "opt in." Heck, even if that wasn't the case when you first opened the account, they could change the rules after the fact in one of their annual Privacy Policy updates..



This would seem to change the rules regarding what they need a warrant for.



wait wut? Garland's son owning a company that conducts surveys and training for school districts equates to the "DOJ [being] directly connected to the indoctrination of children"?

For all the time you've spent complaining about the lack of evidence to support certain narratives with respect to racial oppression, this is what you put up to support your own contentions? seriously? lol

I don't work in teaching....and I could be completely wrong about all of this.

I do work for the federal government though, and I'm well aware of how federal funding works.

From the article...

These surveys are then used as justification for new curriculum that some parents call critical race theory and find objectionable.

That's what Merrick Garland's son in law does. He sells surveys to schools and tells them they need the various Culturally Responsive Teaching programs that are loaded with CRT concepts that parents have been protesting.

Or Forbes is lying and will shortly be sued by Panorama Education.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Has any federal funding had such strings attached?

Most does.

Your Forbes article linked to a report showing what I understood to be a list of all of Panorama's public school contracts. Only a handful were over $500k and unless I missed something, all were for NYC schools. I think I only saw one over $250k that was for a place other than NYC (Dallas). The vast majority of the contracts were for less than $100k.

To fill out an online survey and get curriculum suggestions.

 

[Albion]

I don't think so. I think the OP is for more "freedom to do what I want without consequences" than "freedom to have a good life".

The issues that Clizby identified were these:

Do you support the government receiving all of your banking transactions for the year?
Are you ok with a completely open border where we have no idea who is coming in?
Are you ok with the DOJ setting up a phone line so people can call to get someone investigated by the FBI from a school board meeting with no evidence it is a chronic problem.

There is nothing unreasonable about a citizen being alarmed at the proposed policy of the federal government that it should be notified when anyone takes even a few hundred dollars out of their bank account.

Or that when anyone immigrates to the USA, the policy is not to even check to see if they're criminals or carrying a disease.

Or that a parent speaking at a school board meeting during the time that is set aside for that purpose can be labelled a "domestic terrorist" by his or her government for doing so.

It is, in fact, scary to observe anyone being berated on these forums for nothing more than raising those very moderate and reasonable questions.

 

[pacomascarot]

Most does.

Mainly from "Big Grammar" who demands that we teach verb noun agreement. It's worse than CRT.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Mainly from "Big Grammar" who demands that we teach verb noun agreement. It's worse than CRT.

Exactly....all those words are made up anyway.

 

[pacomascarot]

Exactly....all those words are made up anyway.

Grammar, verb, noun, agreement? Those are all made up? Well, I guess in a sense since all of language is made up.

I can see why you aren't working in education, though.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Grammar, verb, noun, agreement? Those are all made up? Well, I guess in a sense since all of language is made up.

I can see why you aren't working in education, though.

I can see why you aren't. I said the words are made up.

If you want to be technical though, yes, grammatical structures are made up too.

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

Mainly from "Big Grammar" who demands that we teach verb noun agreement. It's worse than CRT.

Grammar Police are tiresome no matter where they come from.

 

[pacomascarot]

I can see why you aren't. I said the words are made up.

Which is kind of why I listed the words. But I get it, there were a lot of words in my post and you didn't have a lot of time to sound them all out.