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Do you support the government receiving all of your banking transactions for the year?

Are you ok with a completely open border where we have no idea who is coming in?

Are you ok with the DOJ setting up a phone line so people can call to get someone investigated by the FBI from a school board meeting with no evidence it is a chronic problem.

All of these policies reduce your freedom and liberty. How much freedom will they have to take away before you will stand up Biden and his ilk? To save our freedoms we need you democrat's to start pushing back on these policies and overreaching power grabs by the government. If you don't, then they will soon come for something you disagree with and you will be power less to stop it. Trump was right when he said "they are not coming after me, they are coming after you, I am just in the way." He did not just mean conservatives, he meant all of us.

What freedoms do you think we should fight for?

Im fine with the government seeing my bank transactions, I have nothing to hide. I’m not engaged in any illegal activities and I pay my taxes.

I wasn’t aware that our boarders were scheduled to become completely open and I highly doubt that will be the case. This sounds like a misrepresentation of some sort.

If the FBI thinks I’m worthy of investigation then I say bring it on, I’ve got nothing to hide.
 
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but as long as that side hustle is legal what difference does it make? Unless they have proof or at least reason to very strongly suspect that the income is coming from an illegal source it is none of their business.

It is if the person didn’t claim that income on their tax forms.
 
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Do you support the government receiving all of your banking transactions for the year?

Are you ok with a completely open border where we have no idea who is coming in?

Are you ok with the DOJ setting up a phone line so people can call to get someone investigated by the FBI from a school board meeting with no evidence it is a chronic problem.

All of these policies reduce your freedom and liberty. How much freedom will they have to take away before you will stand up Biden and his ilk? To save our freedoms we need you democrat's to start pushing back on these policies and overreaching power grabs by the government. If you don't, then they will soon come for something you disagree with and you will be power less to stop it. Trump was right when he said "they are not coming after me, they are coming after you, I am just in the way." He did not just mean conservatives, he meant all of us.

What freedoms do you think we should fight for?

This kind of reminds me of how a person reacts when an officer asks if he may search the vehicle. There’s those who have no problem with it because they have nothing to hide, there’s those who are opposed to it because they do have something to hide, then there’s those who are opposed to it who have nothing to hide but they just don’t want to cooperate because they love a good controversy.
 
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I'm basing my assessment on the announcement of an FBI investigation by Merrick Garland...an odd thing to do if you intend to catch anyone.

But on what are you basing your assumption that the FBI didn't do anything about threats against police?

Arguably not just a favor for them.

Black Lives Matter raising half a million for Democrats in Georgia Senate runoffs

BLM did stuff like this for multiple Democrats. I doubt they expected nothing in return.

What does BLM have to do with this?

Right, then recommends curriculum that gets protested.

They do? That's not what your Forbes article said: "These surveys are then used as justification for new curriculum that some parents call critical race theory and find objectionable."

Even if you accept that statement as wholly true, it doesn't claim that Panorama is the one recommending the curriculum.

I don't know where you're getting this. They have over 20k contracts

Where are you coming up with 20,000 contracts? The Forbes piece says they've contracted with 1,500 districts. Unless they averaged 13 contracts a piece, you're way off.

and unless I missed a link, they aren't all listed in the article.

The Forbes article suggests that it is exhaustive:
However, records posted by our auditors at OpenTheBooks.com reveal that school districts in Texas, Michigan, Florida, Indiana, Rhode Island, Oregon, Iowa, Utah, North Carolina, New Hampshire, Georgia, New Mexico, Illinois, Wyoming, California, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maine, Virginia, and Ohio all hired Panorama Education for training and/or surveys.​

...unless their auditors only picked a handful, which would seem kind of silly.

What I did see is this....

Contracts with the New York City Department of Education; Dallas Independent School District; Seattle Public Schools; District of Columbia; and the San Francisco Unified School District are showcased in company materials, and are known.

Those appear to be the 2017-2020 contracts. They probably haven't released the full 2021 contracts yet...but thankfully "dumpster fire Forbes" seems to have done some digging....


However, records posted by our auditors at OpenTheBooks.com reveal that school districts in Texas, Michigan, Florida, Indiana, Rhode Island, Oregon, Iowa, Utah, North Carolina, New Hampshire, Georgia, New Mexico, Illinois, Wyoming, California, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maine, Virginia, and Ohio all hired Panorama Education for training and/or surveys.

Are all these states signed on in 2020 for that school year or do they sign on in 2020 for the 2021 school year? It seems unlikely to me that they do the surveys and receive training and change their entire curriculum in the same year....but I could be wrong.

Doesn't matter. If you're trying to allege some cronyism with the DOJ, those contracts all precede the current administration.

Right....public schools are known for having piles of cash to throw around for bogus surveys and lol "analysts" who charge hundreds of dollars an hour to conclude that your grade school needs a dose of left wing indoctrination. It's obviously federal funding. Who are you kidding here?

IOW, you're guessing.

Sorry....I don't have receipts. I just have common sense.

What you have is an imagination.

1. Those people were protesting to keep their small businesses open.

No, that's what you argued. I pointed out at the time that it was only a small minority of people in the crowd who displayed messaging related to businesses or other economic interests. The overwhelming majority of it was related to Trump or personal rights.

Talking about the people protesting left wing political indoctrination. Obviously Garland's son doesn't have anything to do with mask mandates.

The mask mandates are a big factor in what's fueling the threats toward school board members.
The NSBA letter that preceded Garland's announcement mentions resistance to masks and other covid precautions in several places:
https://nsba.org/-/media/NSBA/File/...ic-schools-and-school-board-members-92921.pdf

This isn't only about CRT.

It's cute to see you trying to conflate these issues.

It's cute to see you trying to ignore part of it.

Yeah it's a fantasy lol. By sheer coincidence schools have piles of cash to pay ridiculous rates for an online student survey.

There are 131,000 school districts in the US. Panorama has contracted with a little over 1% of them.

And the surveys don't only cover students; they also (can) cover employees.
 
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Disclaimer: I am not a Democrat and I am not a Democrat suppoter and I am not a USA voter.

Do you support the government receiving all of your banking transactions for the year?
Not sure what is meant by this, but because of the need for taxation, the tax department need to know people's finances.

Are you ok with a completely open border where we have no idea who is coming in?
I have not seen the Democrat party campain for or propose Open Borders
 
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Ok. Let's imagine that I'm a Democrat who accepted a lot of donations from groups like BLM (because apparently that's what BLM did with their money instead of, you know, helping black people)
Except doing so would break numerous laws and end up having BLM loose their tax exempt status. And then there are all teh fact checking organizations like FactCheck.Org and Fulcrum and AP News and so many others that have shown that BLM isn't making political donations. But when it comes to bashing BLM who cares about the truth?
 
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But on what are you basing your assumption that the FBI didn't do anything about threats against police?

The fact that I couldn't find anything suggesting they did....and neither did you.

What does BLM have to do with this?

They played a big part in promoting the political dogma that's now in the left. They raised big money for Democrats.

Gotta give them something for it.

They do? That's not what your Forbes article said: "These surveys are then used as justification for new curriculum that some parents call critical race theory and find objectionable."

Even if you accept that statement as wholly true, it doesn't claim that Panorama is the one recommending the curriculum.

I'm not sure what you're suggesting here.

Do you think that all these schools just suddenly adopted extremely similar curricula out of the blue? That the results of these surveys created a wide range of suggestions and possibilities...and they all just happened to go with the same general curricula?


The Forbes article suggests that it is exhaustive:
However, records posted by our auditors at OpenTheBooks.com reveal that school districts in Texas, Michigan, Florida, Indiana, Rhode Island, Oregon, Iowa, Utah, North Carolina, New Hampshire, Georgia, New Mexico, Illinois, Wyoming, California, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maine, Virginia, and Ohio all hired Panorama Education for training and/or surveys.​

...unless their auditors only picked a handful, which would seem kind of silly.

Again, unless I missed a link to all the contracts, I didn't see the 1500 they claimed. I saw about 4 pages and it's nowhere near 1500.

Also thanks for quoting that part....I missed that he's also doing the "training" to show teachers how to indoctrinate children.
Doesn't matter. If you're trying to allege some cronyism with the DOJ, those contracts all precede the current administration.

Already addressed this. His contracts grew by tens of millions this year. He's got venture capitalists dumping tens of millions invested in this scheme just last month.

Unless he invented self-slicing bread and he restructured the company I think we can safely say he's up to his eyeballs in school contracts.

IOW, you're guessing.

Give me one plausible alternative.

You aren't presenting any cuz you can't think of one either.

No, that's what you argued. I pointed out at the time that it was only a small minority of people in the crowd who displayed messaging related to businesses or other economic interests. The overwhelming majority of it was related to Trump or personal rights.

Lol the guy who organized the protest described it as being for small businesses that were forced to lock down.



The NSBA letter that preceded Garland's announcement mentions resistance to masks and other covid precautions in several places:
https://nsba.org/-/media/NSBA/File/...ic-schools-and-school-board-members-92921.pdf

Did he say he was investigating mask mandate protesters or just protesters?

The answer relates to who he's trying to intimidate.

This isn't only about CRT.

Oh good...we agree CRT is involved.


It's cute to see you trying to ignore part of it.

I don't care about mask mandates. I suppose you think that because the Susan G Komen foundation cares about breast cancer they also have to care about prostate cancer.

There are 131,000 school districts in the US. Panorama has contracted with a little over 1% of them.

The biggest ones. I'm sure he's not the only player in this. That would be a little too much for plausible deniability and there's a lot of son in laws on Capitol Hill.

Regardless, that's a weird point to make. It's 23,000 schools. That's a lot of political indoctrination.

I find it odd that whenever this topic comes up on the forum, I ask people on the left side of the aisle if they oppose political indoctrination in principle or if they think it's bad in general....and they tend to not answer.

It's not a gotcha question. I'm curious what the ever shifting values of the left are these days.

I had one answer on one of these CRT threads awhile back and I won't mention who...it's not important. He made it clear though that he thought that this was the only way to really fight systemic racism or racial disparities or something along those lines.

Is that about how you feel about it?
 
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Except doing so would break numerous laws and end up having BLM loose their tax exempt status. And then there are all teh fact checking organizations like FactCheck.Org and Fulcrum and AP News and so many others that have shown that BLM isn't making political donations. But when it comes to bashing BLM who cares about the truth?

I'm glad you're reading my posts....let me know when you get to the one where I linked their fundraising efforts in Michigan.
 
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The fact that I couldn't find anything suggesting they did....and neither did you.

You couldn't find any public announcements. Like I already said, nobody would expect them to make announcements over things they look into on a regular basis.

I'm not sure what you're suggesting here.

Do you think that all these schools just suddenly adopted extremely similar curricula out of the blue? That the results of these surveys created a wide range of suggestions and possibilities...and they all just happened to go with the same general curricula?

As far as I know, that's usually how school boards adopt curricula. From what I recall, a couple of the big states like TX, CA, and NY have outsized influence because they're so big that the curriculum publishers cater to their requirements, and other states with less purchasing power tend to follow along.

Again, unless I missed a link to all the contracts, I didn't see the 1500 they claimed. I saw about 4 pages and it's nowhere near 1500.

That document is 30 pages, with 20-some contracts per page, so call it 600 and change through 2020.

Give me one plausible alternative.

That they have more money to throw around than you think. Your whole basis for this line of argument is your (as yet unsupported) assumption that they're all broke.


Did he say he was investigating mask mandate protesters or just protesters?

He didn't say either. He said he was investigating threats of violence.

I don't care about mask mandates.

So you get to ignore roughly half the context and motivation for these protests because it suits your conspiracy theories.

The biggest ones.

A couple of big ones. Mostly small ones.

I find it odd that whenever this topic comes up on the forum, I ask people on the left side of the aisle if they oppose political indoctrination in principle or if they think it's bad in general....and they tend to not answer.

It's not a gotcha question.

It absolutely is a gotcha question and many of us have been down this path before, getting strung along with your games and we don't play them anymore. You have done absolutely nothing in this thread to substantiate any of your speculations, including the one about Panorama engaging in political indoctrination. If you want to supply links to some of the teaching or training materials they provide, or curriculum recommendations they've made, go for it. But if you want me to answer questions about political indoctrination, establish that it's happening first.
 
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Oh easy. It violates their campaign pledge to only raise taxes on the rich.

Which income brackets have had their taxes raised, and what are these new higher tax rates?

By the way it is completely naïve to think this is all innocent! The IRS has a history of being weaponized to go after various administrations political enemies.

False. Never happened. Also, I don't think "weaponized" means what you think it means.
 
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