For the sake of argument, let's say God exists

[CaliforniaSun]

I didn't choose to stay neutral. I chose to actively show that the people making god claims are wrong.


I hope I get to experience those 2 seconds in hell before I die so I can change my mind, then. It's sadly unsurprising that Christians feel that they have to threaten people with hell. You'd figure the evidence would be convincing enough for everyone to believe, if God really cared about our souls.

I've always found the idea of infinite punishment for finite crimes for people created to have free will and loved by god morally reprehensible. On this alone, I consider myself to have a highter morality than the god described in the Bible.

 

[AV1611VET]

Let me say this in a nutshell for those that don't believe in God, and deny Him.......2 seconds in hell will change their mind

Yup --

What's sad, is that what many of them are believing in -- mainly the physical universe -- is going to abandon them when they go to the Great White Throne Judgment.

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

They beg and beg us for evidence, but when the time comes, they aren't going to have one shred themselves; and what little evidence we do give them -- if any -- isn't going to count.

 

[AV1611VET]

In a nutshell, there is no proof for your god.

And the unregenerate will stand before Him with no proof, either.

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

 

[Hespera]

Perhaps it would help if I worded it this way;

I've seen His Spirit because He revealed Himself to me. Better?

I would only be speaking metaphorically if i didn't believe that the the Spirit was present, and merely having blind faith say such a thing. But I don't believe my faith is blind.

The flood is controversial, but in reference to your dinosaurs there is a verse in Job where a Leviathan or behemoth is mentioned (a very large beast with a long tail) in Job 40:15-24.

What makes my head turn is...if there is no God, why is everyone so eager to disprove Him

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Ok metaphorical. When people talk in terms like "spirit flowing" and how they "saw" it, i have to do a sanity check, and see if I need to check out of the conversation!

Saying the flood is "controversial" has no relevance to whether it happened. Denial does not legit controversy make. Contradictory evidence does. There is no contradictory evidence of any sort. Taht is true. There just... is... none. Against truly massive data to falsify the theory of a flood.

On one hand is the testimony of the earth, and all who study it. On the other is the bible, as read by some few fundamentalists. There is no controversy within the scientific community or educated people generally, any more than there is "controversy' about astrology or alchemy!



In the head turn dept, it makes mine that you can so thoroughly misread what I am saying, and bring up things i in no way said or implied or talked about.

What makes my head turn is...if there is no God, why is everyone so eager to disprove Him

"disprove god'. i never have tried to do that, only a complete idiot thinks its possible or worth discussing. You cant disprove nessie either! Where on earth did you get it that im trying to disprove god? Or anyone in this forum either!

How could you possibly miss what i said about good devout Christians who dont think they have to believe a literal flood any more than they do literal hills clapping literal hands? They can have their god and metaphor* both, why cant you? Seriously! What is the problem?

It makes my head turn that people think they can infallibly read a book when their reading is so blatantly wrong!

I wonder, if you believe in god, if you would consider it is disrespectful to ignore his Word, as written in the earth, in favour or your judgement on the exact meaning of a story?


*spirit of god flowing, jesus is a lamb...that stuff.

 

[sandwiches]

Yup --

What's sad, is that what many of them are believing in -- mainly the physical universe -- is going to abandon them when they go to the Great White Throne Judgment.

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

They beg and beg us for evidence, but when the time comes, they aren't going to have one shred themselves; and what little evidence we do give them -- if any -- isn't going to count.

I think burning in hell after I die would be pretty convincing evidence that the evil god of the Bible is real. So, I'd probably believe.

 

[HosannaHM]

No, I don't have "all figured out". I don't believe I will ever have it "all figured out." But then again, this is non sequitur.

Personally, I strive to see things as they are. Life is much simpler this way, and narrows the possibility of cognitive dissonance.

All I am pointing out, which seems to escape you, is that when one makes a positive claim, e.g., there is a god, it is reasonable to ask why.

Good point. Keep on striving to figure it (If anyone thought they knew all the answers that would not be good lol).

Despite are disaggreements, I can still understand that all people do not think the same way. Asking why can be dangerous, you may not get the answer you expected.

 

[sandwiches]

And the unregenerate will stand before Him with no proof, either.

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

What would we need evidence of when standing in front of God?

 

[AV1611VET]

I think burning in hell after I die would be pretty convincing evidence that the evil god of the Bible is real. So, I'd probably believe.

Más sabe el diablo y temblor.

 

[AV1611VET]

What would we need evidence of when standing in front of God?

Your faith.

 

[CaliforniaSun]

Good point. Keep on striving to figure it (If anyone thought they knew all the answers that would not be good lol).

Despite are disaggreements, I can still understand that all people do not think the same way. Asking why can be dangerous, you may not get the answer you expected.

Asking questions is dangerous only in the sense of having the courage to acept what the evidence reasonably suggests. Which is why I'm of the general opinion that theists who have become atheist know the Bible better than theists.

 

[sandwiches]

Más sabe el diablo y temblor.

hmmm... what? The devil knows more and tremble?

My point is that if I saw hell I'd have evidence of it. How does your answer relate?

Edit: Wait... You're using temblor as in "eartquake?" *sigh*

Let me guess... something something... earthquake in Japan... something something... goddidit

 

[Hespera]

But you did. In not taking any interest in that topic, you chose to stay neutral (To stand still in the illustration above). Don't you see that to do nothing is a choice?

Fine, in the sense that you chose to be an aNessiest. which is next to no sense at all. Did you actively choose to be a non-fan of Burmese dance?
Or to ignore the Nessie "controversy"?

Dont you see the difference between an active choice and just not being interested?

To you, choosing god / non god is a vital and active choice. To me it just isnt. if it were, Id have to worry if i got it right between say, Xtian and Islam. See, I dont cover my hair, and Allah says he is gonna hang me by my hair in a fire for that. And i dont worry if a passing flying saucer will snag my hair, either. Call that choosing not to care, if you like.

its pretty meaningless tho.

 

[sandwiches]

Your faith.

Well, of course I'd have no evidence of faith (if you're talking about faith in a god.) And I don't pretend to and God knows that, if he exists. It seems like he didn't do a good enough job trying to reach me as he already knew.

 

[HosannaHM]

Asking questions is dangerous only in the sense of having the courage to acept what the evidence reasonably suggests. Which is why I'm of the general opinion that theists who have become atheist know the Bible better than theists.

I didn't mean those kind of questions. It's also dual to note that a lot of atheists trying to disprove the bible have become flaming Christians.

 

[AV1611VET]

hmmm... what? The devil knows more and tremble?

My point t is that if I saw hell I'd have evidence of it. How does your answer relate?

Sorry -- a ... ahem ... little attempt at making this point:

James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

 

[sandwiches]

Sorry -- a ... ahem ... little attempt at making this point:

James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Ah! That makes more sense. I was hoping it had nothing to do with the Japanese earthquake.

Well, that's fine and dandy but unlike me, the Devil and demons have seen God, the Devil, and hell, at least. They have evidence. I have seen this earth, no God, no Devil, no demons, no angels, no hell, no Heaven.

 

[AV1611VET]

It seems like he didn't do a good enough job trying to reach me as he already knew.

What's that story about the house that burned down, and the occupants were on the roof; and a man comes by in a boat, but they reject him; then another man in a boat; and they reject him; and finally a helicopter, which they also reject?

 

[Hespera]

Let me say this in a nutshell for those that don't believe in God, and deny Him.......2 seconds in hell will change their mind

Did even occur to you that not believing, and denying are two totally differnt things? You try doing both some time.

As for your sound bite, smaller the mind, the happier it is with the facile.

 

[AV1611VET]

Ah! That makes more sense. I was hoping it had nothing to do with the Japanese earthquake.

Well, that's fine and dandy but unlike me, the Devil and demons have seen God, the Devil, and hell, at least. They have evidence. I have seen this earth, no God, no Devil, no demons, no angels, no hell, no Heaven.

Ya, you have --

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

 

[CaliforniaSun]

I didn't mean those kind of questions. It's also dual to note that a lot of atheists trying to disprove the bible have become flaming Christians.

What else kinds of questions are there?