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For the sake of argument, let's say God exists

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Show me one place that I said you were NOT sincere with your beliefs. Just because you "think" someone is saying something does not mean they are. That's where deception comes in.

I don't feel like rummaging through your posts, but you denied that I had a "real relationship" with Jesus. I believed, when I was a Christian, that I did have a "real relationship" with Jesus.


It's been a while since biology class, huh? Humans are primates, and are related to all other life on this planet. We evolved, just like everything else.


I'm just stating my opinions, which I am allowed to do. And I am not scared at all by your words. I was just pointing out how you like to say "repent before it's too late", implying that something terrible will happen to me if I don't reconvert.


Ah, so you're anti-medicine too. This is a road we best not go down. There is too much ignorance here for one conversation to rectify.

Let me tell you this ... man couldn't think his way out of a paper bag if it wasn't for God. Any vaccine or ANY good thing comes down from God. Man wouldn't even have an understanding of the smallest amount of science if it were not for God.

People like you can't even be reasoned with. You're not even wrong. What you're saying is so far from reality that it cannot be dignified with a "you're wrong" response.


Glad to see that you are now not just denying my sincerity, but the sincerity of people you have never interacted with. It must be lonely on the top with just you, AV, and God.


The Epic of Gilgamesh was the single most important literary work of the era. If the Abrahamic people were unaware of it, they must have been illiterate dolts.



Well, there is no evidence the exodus story was real. So let's just leave it at that.

Finally, IF it were the decision of the "authors of Genesis" only (as you suggest) why would they take hold of some list on an obscure document and then slam Egypt all through the rest of Genesis? That doesn't even make sense.

"Obscure" document? This was the document that dictated the rules of the Egyptian religion. Genesis and Exodus were written waaaayyy after the supposed events by the way.

Don't hold your breath... You either come God's way or you don't get there.

Translation: your way, not God's way. Funny how you have the audacity to speak for God.

Your words speak so loud I can't hear what you are saying. But it's okay with me. I've done my part. Enough said!!

Let's consider this conversation complete! You turned out to be way more angry and antagonistic than I expected.
 
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So it's just whatever the Bible says?

No. The Bible never mentions dispensations. It's a relatively new invention to try to make sense of some of the biggest plot holes in the Bible.
 
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Were magnetic fields mentioned in the Bible, or is this a red herring?
 
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They were not under the law until the commandments. So they werent accountable.
Deuteronomy 22 compares rape with death

Only if the person you raped is married already. If you rape a virgin, you have to marry her. Isn't that nice for the person who got raped? To marry her rapist?

Deuteronomy 22:25-29

25But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. 26But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
27For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.
28If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
 
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They were not under the law until the commandments. So they werent accountable.
Deuteronomy 22 compares rape with death

He's not asking about accountability. He's asking whether it was moral.

Was it moral, at some point in the past, to have incestuous relationships or to rape, yes or no?
 
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No. The Bible never mentions dispensations. It's a relatively new invention to try to make sense of some of the biggest plot holes in the Bible.

Yeah, dispensationalism is not a Biblical concept. I was just trying to get AV to admit that he believes morality is exclusively based on the Bible, irrespective to dispensationalism.
 
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He's not asking about accountability. He's asking whether it was moral.

Was it moral, at some point in the past, to have incestuous relationships or to rape, yes or no?

And as I posted, the rest of the verse takes a dark, twisted turn. Funny how people quote the first part of that chapter without any reference to the "marry-your-rapist" part.
 
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He's not asking about accountability. He's asking whether it was moral.

Was it moral, at some point in the past, to have incestuous relationships or to rape, yes or no?

Don't know about incest, but when God orders rape, it's immoral not to, isn't it?
 
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They were not under the law until the commandments. So they werent accountable.
Deuteronomy 22 compares rape with death
Where?
 
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Let me tell you this ... man couldn't think his way out of a paper bag if it wasn't for God. Any vaccine or ANY good thing comes down from God. Man wouldn't even have an understanding of the smallest amount of science if it were not for God.
 
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Yeah, dispensationalism is not a Biblical concept. I was just trying to get AV to admit that he believes morality is exclusively based on the Bible, irrespective to dispensationalism.
For the record:

Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

And also for the record:

You and I operate under two completely working definitions of morality; so much so, as to render any discussions containing morality nebulous.
 
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Like Greg said we are under the new covenant through Christ. If I wanted to refute what your saying I could simply say Jesus did not do it, so I shouldn't. He said to flee sexual immorality on several verses.

Old testament laws impossible of being kept- rectified by the new covenant of Christ
 
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"hoorah" Ha ha!!
 
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For the record:

Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

For the record: You're babbling.

And also for the record:

You and I operate under two completely working definitions of morality; so much so, as to render any discussions containing morality nebulous.

I would very much like to see your "working" defintion of morality before I accept that without a grain of salt.
 
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Usually it comes form your parents and the experience you had during your life.

True! But what if we stemmed it all the way back to the first man?

Would he not take it upon himself to figure out what was moral, or would he just instinctively know? (Not that your gonna call him up and ask him lol)
 
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