For the Christian Right, Gay-Hating Is Just the Start

[Mobiosity]

They weren't at the school when the bus was tagged. They were on their way, staying in a hotel. And the graffite wasn't "Stay off our campus" or "You're not welcome here," it was slurs that refer only to sexual orientation, and not sexual activity or unwelcome guests.

And again, you are turning the existance of homosexuals into something entirely about sex. They, again, weren't going there to engage in sexual acts, and I would be very surprised if sexual acts played a significant role in any of their discussions. They were going there to talk and discuss. If they weren't welcome (my school banned homosexual acts, but still welcomed the discussion), it was not because they did certain things (because that wasn't what the trip was about), but because they were certain people. And, again, the graffite was not about what they did or where they were, but what they are.

Everything here is about who and what they are--social identity-- not what they do in their bedrooms. I do not understand why people opposed to homosexuality focus so heavily on the sex, to the exclusion of everything else that makes a person human.

Because the sex is what makes them different. Homos come in the same spread as heteros. The only difference is that they are sexually attracted to their own gender. What else about them is different?

 

[tulc]

What else about them is different?

...uhmmm their fashion sense?
tulc(bad tulc! no doughnut!)

 

[Mobiosity]

...uhmmm their fashion sense?
tulc(bad tulc! no doughnut!)

Carson Kresley?

 

[tulc]

Carson Kresley?

LOL!
tulc(thinking about starting a show "fat eye for slim guys"!)

 

[Mling]

The number one difference between homo and heterosexuals is that homosexuals are often reduced to little more than their sexual activities. In many places it is still perfectly legal to fire somebody from a job, or refuse to hire them in the first place based solely on their sexual orientation (and assumed activity, though I suspect that is rarely questioned). It is not legal to discriminate on marital status, and I've never heard of a public company even considering discriminating on virginal status.
If one mentions that they are straight, that reveals almost nothing about them, but if I mentioned that I am gay it is simply assumed that I am sexually active, probably with multiple partners, and that I ignore any moral codes that are usually considered "Christian." In fact, none of that is true, and when I mention that it is always met with surprise.

The difference is that a person who is straight is still a "person," while a person who is gay is "A Homosexual," and, if somebody even cares to learn anything more about them, everything else is often modified by that one trait.
Discussions about homosexual people almost often include an element of sex, despite the fact that sex plays no more of a role in a homosexual relationship than in a hetersexual one, which means that, yes, homosexual people are just as capable of waiting until marriage or taking a "break" from dating. Despite this, gay people are usually lumped into two broad groups: "Practicing" (ie: sexually active, probably with multiple partners and probably taking drugs too) and "non-practicing" (ie: completely celibate and "straightedge"). The existance of, say, a person who is gay, single, virgin, planning to "wait" but not in any way ashamed of their sexuality (ie: me) is not recognized.

The main difference between straight and gay people are that gay people are very often assumed to be extensions of their genetalia, while straight people are able to simply "be."

 

[Mobiosity]

The number one difference between homo and heterosexuals is that homosexuals are often reduced to little more than their sexual activities. In many places it is still perfectly legal to fire somebody from a job, or refuse to hire them in the first place based solely on their sexual orientation (and assumed activity, though I suspect that is rarely questioned). It is not legal to discriminate on marital status, and I've never heard of a public company even considering discriminating on virginal status.
If one mentions that they are straight, that reveals almost nothing about them, but if I mentioned that I am gay it is simply assumed that I am sexually active, probably with multiple partners, and that I ignore any moral codes that are usually considered "Christian." In fact, none of that is true, and when I mention that it is always met with surprise.

The difference is that a person who is straight is still a "person," while a person who is gay is "A Homosexual," and, if somebody even cares to learn anything more about them, everything else is often modified by that one trait.
Discussions about homosexual people almost often include an element of sex, despite the fact that sex plays no more of a role in a homosexual relationship than in a hetersexual one, which means that, yes, homosexual people are just as capable of waiting until marriage or taking a "break" from dating. Despite this, gay people are usually lumped into two broad groups: "Practicing" (ie: sexually active, probably with multiple partners and probably taking drugs too) and "non-practicing" (ie: completely celibate and "straightedge"). The existance of, say, a person who is gay, single, virgin, planning to "wait" but not in any way ashamed of their sexuality (ie: me) is not recognized.

The main difference between straight and gay people are that gay people are very often assumed to be extensions of their genetalia, while straight people are able to simply "be."

Why on earth would you mention your sexuality?

 

[Mling]

Depends on the context. If it isn't relavent to anything, I don't. If a relavent subject comes up, I might, for the same reason that if, say, the subject of mental illness comes up, I might mention that I have a sister with bi-polar disorder. If adoption comes up, I might mention that I have several adopted relatives, and plan to do so myself (eventually). If religion comes up, I might discuss my personal beliefs...etc. Contributing relavent personal experiences to friendly conversations (or debates) is part of this "existing without apology" thing I'm talking about.

 

[Sign Of The Fish Burger]

As South Park so delicately put it a few weeks ago...

"gotta pray away the gay..."








/sarcastic post.

This article makes me VERY sad.

 

[UberLutheran]

Because the sex is what makes them different. Homos come in the same spread as heteros. The only difference is that they are sexually attracted to their own gender. What else about them is different?

We can't marry, for one thing.

Also, to get even a rough approximation of the same rights heterosexuals get simply by signing a marriage license costs us between $4,000 and $10,000 — assuming that a doctor or a hospital or a lawyer will recognize our durable powers of attorney, our powers of attorney for medical decisions, and not contest our wills.

 

[UberLutheran]

Why on earth would you mention your sexuality?

Probably for the same reason that heterosexuals mention their husbands or wives.

It's none of your business what I do in bed; but if my partner and I went to the Kimbell Art Museum in Fort Worth to see the Queen Hepshetsut exhibit, I'd like to be able to use the right pronoun (or — golly goshkins — his name)!

(And by the way, it was a wonderful exhibit!)

 

[non-religious]

[Mling]The number one difference between homo and heterosexuals is that homosexuals are often reduced to little more than their sexual activities. In many places it is still perfectly legal to fire somebody from a job, or refuse to hire them in the first place based solely on their sexual orientation (and assumed activity, though I suspect that is rarely questioned). It is not legal to discriminate on marital status, and I've never heard of a public company even considering discriminating on virginal status.
If one mentions that they are straight, that reveals almost nothing about them, but if I mentioned that I am gay it is simply assumed that I am sexually active, probably with multiple partners, and that I ignore any moral codes that are usually considered "Christian." In fact, none of that is true, and when I mention that it is always met with surprise.

The difference is that a person who is straight is still a "person," while a person who is gay is "A Homosexual," and, if somebody even cares to learn anything more about them, everything else is often modified by that one trait.
Discussions about homosexual people almost often include an element of sex, despite the fact that sex plays no more of a role in a homosexual relationship than in a hetersexual one, which means that, yes, homosexual people are just as capable of waiting until marriage or taking a "break" from dating. Despite this, gay people are usually lumped into two broad groups: "Practicing" (ie: sexually active, probably with multiple partners and probably taking drugs too) and "non-practicing" (ie: completely celibate and "straightedge"). The existance of, say, a person who is gay, single, virgin, planning to "wait" but not in any way ashamed of their sexuality (ie: me) is not recognized.

The main difference between straight and gay people are that gay people are very often assumed to be extensions of their genetalia, while straight people are able to simply "be."

It seems to me that it can work both ways. If you are constantly engaging people with issues surrounding your sexuality then invariably one has to expect to have responses from people that are both positive and negative. A person's sexuality doesn't have to come into any discussion with anyone be them future employers, neighbours, pastors etc... unless one wants to make an issue of it.

However where and in whatever form discrimination occurs, then of course we should abhor that and patently have no part of it....

 

[NiteClerk]

We can't marry, for one thing.
.....

Yes you can. You have the exact same right as a hetrosexual, which is to marry one person of the opposite sex.

Oh, wait. You want a new right granted to you.

 

[Mling]

Yes you can. You have the exact same right as a hetrosexual, which is to marry one person of the opposite sex.

Oh, wait. You want a new right granted to you.

Not just to him (or other gay people). You'd be able to use the "new right," too, as would any other person.

 

[CaDan]

Yes you can. You have the exact same right as a hetrosexual, which is to marry one person of the opposite sex.

Oh, wait. You want a new right granted to you.

Ah Mom! Isn't there something NEW in the tired old argument cabinet?

 

[plmarquette]

If you smak a hornets nest , should you be surprised that you get stung ?

If you flip rocks in the desert , should you be surprised at seeing a rattle snake bite you ?

Then , why , when you demean , villify, and cram your life style down the majority of America's pie holes , are you surprised that some become angry ; and others respond with violence and hate to the violence and hate espoused by "Glad , Act-up , etc. " ....

Jews and Christians are quite tolerant compared to the position of Islam ... when it comes to " alternate life styles "....

like the other poster .... if you don't ask , don't tell , be a good neighbor ... I can accept you as different , disagree with your belief .... and leave your choice between you and our creator ...

 

[tulc]

.... if you don't ask , don't tell , be a good neighbor ... I can accept you as different , disagree with your belief .... and leave your choice between you and our creator ...

Ahhh! So as long as no one knows, it's "live and let live" but if someone does know all bets are off and it's ok to attack them?
tulc(that doesn't seem...right)

 

[Abiel]

I think I might just weep...

 

[UberLutheran]

If you smak a hornets nest , should you be surprised that you get stung ?

If you flip rocks in the desert , should you be surprised at seeing a rattle snake bite you ?

Then , why , when you demean , villify, and cram your life style down the majority of America's pie holes , are you surprised that some become angry ; and others respond with violence and hate to the violence and hate espoused by "Glad , Act-up , etc. " ....

Jews and Christians are quite tolerant compared to the position of Islam ... when it comes to " alternate life styles "....

like the other poster .... if you don't ask , don't tell , be a good neighbor ... I can accept you as different , disagree with your belief .... and leave your choice between you and our creator ...

So, if my neighbors "find out" -- should my partner and I expect to find excrement on our doorstep, crosses burning in my yard and angry neighbors demanding that "the filthy perverts" leave?

I guess it's OK to go outside just as long as my partner and I never go outside together, at the same time?

I guess it's OK if my partner and I go to church, just as long as it isn't the same church and we don't go at the same time? (We wouldn't want the neighbors to find out that gay people go to church, would we?)

And I guess it's OK if my partner and I go grocery shopping, just as long as we don't go at the same time and/or people don't see us leaving at different times -- because they might get the idea that homosexuals are living in the house. And not even homosexuals -- but a homosexual couple!

And by the way -- GLAAD and "ACT UP", while militant, have never reached the level of sheer hatred to be found by the ilk of Fred Phelps, James Dobson, Randall Terry, D. James Kennedy, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Ann Coulter, Michael Savage, the Army of God, and the other doyennes of the loony far right. We don't blame heterosexuals and their miserable track record with marriage, domestic violence and sexual abuse of children as the reason America was attacked on 9/11 or why Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans -- they way that the loony right has blamed gays for 9/11 and New Orleans.

 

[Im_A]

If you smak a hornets nest , should you be surprised that you get stung ?

If you flip rocks in the desert , should you be surprised at seeing a rattle snake bite you ?

Then , why , when you demean , villify, and cram your life style down the majority of America's pie holes , are you surprised that some become angry ; and others respond with violence and hate to the violence and hate espoused by "Glad , Act-up , etc. " ....

Jews and Christians are quite tolerant compared to the position of Islam ... when it comes to " alternate life styles "....

like the other poster .... if you don't ask , don't tell , be a good neighbor ... I can accept you as different , disagree with your belief .... and leave your choice between you and our creator ...

is demanding that a group of people in our country be allowed to have the same rights as others/you have pushing their lifestyle into yours?

 

[Mling]

is demanding that a group of people in our country be allowed to have the same rights as others/you have pushing their lifestyle into yours?

It would be if you don't like them, and your lifestyle involves smiting them when you get the chance and now you're smiting attempts are being undermined.