For me, it's either theistic evolution or nothing.

[-57]

A Christian has to believe "in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, And of all things visible and invisible." The amount of hostility shown by Creationists towards Christians who don't believe it happened during six days in October, 4004 BC is nothing but an effort to drive them from Christ.

I'm not saying it yet...but...sometimes I think if one believes in evolutionism, that is evolutionism is correct and Genesis is some sort of myth or parable..they have already been driven from Christ.

What they are saying is that the fall in the Garden of Eden never happened. It was a myth. Death and sin was not spread by one man names Adam.

Those that hold the Theo-Evo view need to invent, go outside the bible to explain why we sin and need a savior.

 

[Speedwell]

...go outside the bible...

Not a bad idea. Sola Scriptura, to the lengths that Creationists have driven it, is a mistake.

 

[-57]

Not a bad idea. Sola Scriptura, to the lengths that Creationists have driven it, is a mistake.

Besides going outside of the bible...you add to the bible especially concerning original sin.

 

[Speedwell]

Besides going outside of the bible...you add to the bible especially concerning original sin.

So? Sometimes it's necessary to "add to the Bible." You don't suppose that I believe in the real physical death and miraculous resurrection of Christ just because "it says so in the Bible" do you?

 

[-57]

So? Sometimes it's necessary to "add to the Bible." You don't suppose that I believe in the real physical death and miraculous resurrection of Christ just because "it says so in the Bible" do you?

Considering you seem to think science trumps scripture I wonder if you believe in the scientifically imposible resurrection of a dead man on day 3. I would assume you do believe that historical event. I would also think a Christian would believe the creation/fall account despite people thinking science has trumped Genesis or what Paul has taught us.

 

[Speedwell]

Considering you seem to think science trumps scripture I wonder if you believe in the scientifically imposible resurrection of a dead man on day 3. I would assume you do believe that historical event. I would also think a Christian would believe the creation/fall account despite people thinking science has trumped Genesis or what Paul has taught us.

Science doesn't "trump" Scripture. Science and Scripture really have very little to do with one another. If anything "trumps" Scripture, it's Tradition.

 

[loveofourlord]

Evolutionism is heretical as it contradicts the bible.

yeah, keep pushing people away from god, I'm sure he will like that, it's only heretical to your concept of the bible, again evolution is a fact PERIOD.

 

[loveofourlord]

Don't do it. That's their scheme, to "purify" the faith by driving from salvation in Christ all who will not submit to their interpretation of scripture. Don't fall for it; keep true to your faith in Christ whatever they say.

I don't plan too, I just mean that the evidence is so strong, it's the ironic thing that trying to force evolution to fit their beliefs would destroy their beliefs before evolution.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

So for me, and many others I'm sure, it's either theistic evolution or we simply can not believe in Christianity.

Actually, YHWH says this is okay.
He makes no one believe HIS WORD.

Note, for contrast, the enemy requires everyone to reject YHWH'S WORD.

 

[rjs330]

A Christian has to believe "in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, And of all things visible and invisible." The amount of hostility shown by Creationists towards Christians who don't believe it happened during six days in October, 4004 BC is nothing but an effort to drive them from Christ.

Wow that's pretty harsh. Drive them from Christ? That's not it at all. We creationists want to drive you away from the ungodly evolution and toward the truth of scripture. If one were to chose to leave Christ because of this then the faith they had was not in Christ but in science.

I'm not one to say one isn't a Christian if they believe in evolution over the bible, but I am one who believes they have been deceived. But we all need to acknowledge that Christians can be deceived by some things and still remain a Christian as long as they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.

 

[loveofourlord]

Wow that's pretty harsh. Drive them from Christ? That's not it at all. We creationists want to drive you away from the ungodly evolution and toward the truth of scripture. If one were to chose to leave Christ because of this then the faith they had was not in Christ but in science.

I'm not one to say one isn't a Christian if they believe in evolution over the bible, but I am one who believes they have been deceived. But we all need to acknowledge that Christians can be deceived by some things and still remain a Christian as long as they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.

Except that evolution is the fact, and no amount of lying and making up thigns or going UHUH will change that, anyone that actually understands evolution will just reject your guys tries.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Yet, notice what the germans used the theory of evolution for.
And, notice that no one ever use the Biblical account of YHWH'S Creation to persuade boys and girls they didn't have an eternal soul.
No, trusting in man's account falls way short of YHWH'S ACCOUNT.

 

[Speedwell]

Wow that's pretty harsh. Drive them from Christ? That's not it at all. We creationists want to drive you away from the ungodly evolution and toward the truth of scripture. If one were to chose to leave Christ because of this then the faith they had was not in Christ but in science.

I'm not one to say one isn't a Christian if they believe in evolution over the bible, but I am one who believes they have been deceived. But we all need to acknowledge that Christians can be deceived by some things and still remain a Christian as long as they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.

Then why do you all work so hard to convince people that it is impossible to believe in Christ unless they also believe in a literal Genesis? No other explanation accounts for the hostility, the snide comments about "so-called Christians" and the like. Atheists are treated with more civility.
When I lived in the Bible Belt I am ashamed to say I kind of let it out that I was one, because it was better than being a "Bible-hating, Christ-denying commie." There wasn't a church with four hours drive I would have been welcome in anyway. I know you, you are a relatively decent fellow for a Fundamentalist, but look at some of your colleagues, read some of their posts and see if I'm not right.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

There wasn't a church with four hours drive I would have been welcome in anyway.

A few hundred years ago,
was there such a church anywhere in the world ?
In thousands of years , until recently when man's theories gained prominence over YHWH'S REVEALED PLAN and YHWH'S WORD ?

 

[Speedwell]

A few hundred years ago,
was there such a church anywhere in the world ?

There were and are everywhere except where Fundamentalist Protestantism reigns.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

In thousands of years , until recently when man's theories gained prominence over YHWH'S REVEALED PLAN and YHWH'S WORD ?

There were and are everywhere except where Fundamentalist Protestantism reigns.

They were not at all until around 1700.
Before then , there was no belief in man's theory of evolution in any church, ever.
It was developed after that by ungodly secular sources and promoted later by religious and non-religious groups that gave it prominence over YHWH'S REVEALED PLAN AND over YHWH'S WORD.

 

[Speedwell]

They were not at all until around 1700.
Before then , there was no belief in man's theory of evolution in any church, ever.
It was developed after that by ungodly secular sources and promoted later by religious and non-religious groups that gave it prominence over YHWH'S REVEALED PLAN AND over YHWH'S WORD.

Not talking about evolution, but about hostility towards Christians who don't accept the literal inerrancy of Scripture, many of whom don't believe in evolution either.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Not talking about evolution, but about hostility towards Christians who don't accept the literal inerrancy of Scripture, many of whom don't believe in evolution either.

Well, have you looked recently at 95% of the threads on this site ?


Then, if YHWH did not GUARD HIS WORD OVER EVEN HIS OWN NAME,
what could anyone trust ?

 

[Speedwell]

Well, have you looked recently at 95% of the threads on this site ?


Then, if YHWH did not GUARD HIS WORD OVER EVEN HIS OWN NAME,
what could anyone trust ?

Yes, we know--all Christians everywhere believed exactly what you believe about the Bible until the rest of us were led astray by Darwin.

And if you think that's true, there's this really great bridge in Brooklyn that I can let you have for a knock-down price.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

And if you think that's true, there's this really great bridge in Brooklyn that I can let you have for a knock-down price.

No thanks,
it already belongs to my DAD !