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Each tohis own.I see it speaking of all mankind, so this time is coming, and sabbaths must be relevant then, meaning in scripture must be twisted to argue contrary to that.
There will be commandments that gentiles will live by as well, but scriptures show that gentiles are not going to be required to become Jewish. Meat eating is coming to an end regardless, it must not continue.
This dismisses mention of the sabbath rather too neatly. I don't see basis for that.
Yep, along with walking among dead decaying bodies, living to be over 100 and babies not dying. Is 65 and 66.I see it speaking of all mankind, so this time is coming, and sabbaths must be relevant then, meaning in scripture must be twisted to argue contrary to that.
Scripture please. Making things like that up serve no purpose.There will be commandments that gentiles will live by as well,
Oh yes we certainly wouldn't want to go there if we had to become Jews. Hogwash!but scriptures show that gentiles are not going to be required to become Jewish.
Meat, what a horrible thing. Jesus was a horrible person for eating meat that God gave mankind as food.Meat eating is coming to an end regardless, it must not continue.
I see you don't "see" a lot of things. Sabbath is a shadow, Jesus is reality. Col 2.This dismisses mention of the sabbath rather too neatly. I don't see basis for that.
Mark 2:27-28 And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath:Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
You know how you've encountered those who argue the 10 commandments, wherein the Sabbath is mentioned of course, are for the Jews only?
The Sabbath was made holy by God before there were any Jews!
Where? In Gen 2? Hardly
bugkiller
Yeppers!!!!!!!Sorry you don't think so. Wanna quote some proof for us to the contrary?
bugkiller
I see it speaking of all mankind, so this time is coming, and sabbaths must be relevant then, meaning in scripture must be twisted to argue contrary to that.
There will be commandments that gentiles will live by as well, but scriptures show that gentiles are not going to be required to become Jewish. Meat eating is coming to an end regardless, it must not continue.
This dismisses mention of the sabbath rather too neatly. I don't see basis for that.
bugkiller said:Please explain how I dismissed the Sabbath.
Bob S said:Yep, along with walking among dead decaying bodies, living to be over 100 and babies not dying. Is 65 and 66.
And here I thought Ellen wrote that there would not be babies born in Heaven. No marriage. I guess things will happen that Ellen was not shown huh?
Scripture please. Making things like that up serve no purpose.
Oh yes we certainly wouldn't want to go there if we had to become Jews. Hogwash!
Meat, what a horrible thing. Jesus was a horrible person for eating meat that God gave mankind as food.
I see you don't "see" a lot of things. Sabbath is a shadow, Jesus is reality. Col 2.
I see it speaking of all mankind, so this time is coming, and sabbaths must be relevant then, meaning in scripture must be twisted to argue contrary to that.
There will be commandments that gentiles will live by as well, but scriptures show that gentiles are not going to be required to become Jewish. Meat eating is coming to an end .
deadlyGood point!
But be careful because Bible texts are easy for some folks to ignore
Is that a serious post??
Yes people can read. Now where do you say either of those prove your point?To the contrary of what? the contrary of just "making stuff up" as if nobody can read Genesis 2:1-3 and Exodus 20:11??/
Did God rest 7 days later and weekly thereafter? Prove it.Please be serious.
This is slander. Those people aren't my scholars of any type. In fact you're the only one who brought them up and out of context.We are talking about Bible details so blatantly obvious - even your OWN pro-sunday scholars admit to it?
Why yes we're not supposed to notice what you're doing. We're to kow-tow to your ..... um ideas.Were we simply "not supposed to notice"????
NOPE!!!!! That alone is your idea. The passage would mean exactly the same if the word "Saturday or Monday" were used. The new moon in the passage evidences this.The passage referred to speaks specifically of Sabbath to Sabbath, and your explanation is that it doesn't mean the Sabbath is significant for that, and it is dismissed with it said that is only an expression, when you don't seem to have basis for that, Jesus still spoke for Sabbath meant for man, so it is significant in that passage.
If Jesus kept Passover He ate meat.The passage referred to speaks specifically of Sabbath to Sabbath, and your explanation is that it doesn't mean the Sabbath is significant for that, and it is dismissed with it said that is only an expression, when you don't seem to have basis for that, Jesus still spoke for Sabbath meant for man, so it is significant in that passage.
I have to say I don't get the reference to Ellen, I don't know anything about that. But who is talking about Heaven in this discussion? Are you confusing what there is of eternity with what happens with Christ's return to this world? The distinction is left, with the expression in those passages, "just as the new heavens and the new earth I make will endure" for comparison to the enduring of "your offspring and your name".
Scripture is asked for regarding the commandments? Nothing is being made up, here there is such accusations again. The scripture just used from Isaiah 66 is still good for that, not to mention other passages from Isaiah, such as Isaiah 56:6, and passages from other old testament scriptures as well. There still is Jesus speaking to commandments shown in Matthew 5:18-19.
Saying gentiles won't be required to be Jews has nothing to do with you not wanting to be there otherwise, I have the basis for saying it from passages such as Acts 15:19.
Jesus was never a horrible person and I am never suggesting he was. There is though no great basis to say he was eating meat, other than interpretation that isn't certain. The perfection of Yahweh from the beginning in the creation did not have animal meat given to mankind as food. Meat for food is not part of perfection. It was permitted for food thousands of years afterward, after the global flood, and Noah's sacrifice to Yahweh, when there wasn't the abundant growth of vegetation for food, and meat mentioned since then is identified with sacrifice, which is in typifying Christ dying on our behalf, and such is fulfilled, animals don't have to die for us now. In that permission that had been given, which never was a requirement, any blood was never to be had with it, but this gets disregarded. Human desire and obsession has killing of animals continue, but this is not a virtue. It is not healthy to keep having meat, or even animal products, which I can show abundantly, with there being health problems that come from that which can be reversed with avoiding the animal products, and processed foods. It has great abuse to animals by many billions every year, it also takes up a great great deal more resources, and people are starving, and some dying, from that. There is a huge impact with harm to environments from it, and there is more emissions of greenhouse gases contributing to global warming from it. It won't always continue, scriptures show that, and it won't continue while Jesus is here when he returns.
Even while Sabbath would be a shadow, it has nothing said anywhere that Sabbaths won't continue, and when Yahweh made it holy, why wouldn't it continue? But indeed Jesus is the reality, and the rest of Sabbath, with coming to God, doesn't have reality, as always, without Jesus Christ. What is said is that none of us should judge others of us regarding these things.
The passage referred to speaks specifically of Sabbath to Sabbath, and your explanation is that it doesn't mean the Sabbath is significant for that, and it is dismissed with it said that is only an expression, when you don't seem to have basis for that,
Yeah not to mention:If Jesus kept Passover He ate meat.
bugkiller
If the SDAs and others are going to continue to quote Is 66 to bolster their Sabbath doctrine then posing the question about walking around dead bodies and men living to over 100 and babies not dying is very relevant. All those passages come from Isaiah's thoughts about the new Heavens. Something does not jive. I certainly am not a theologian, but I do know enough that I would not use the Sabbath verse to bolster my beliefs.The passage referred to speaks specifically of Sabbath to Sabbath, and your explanation is that it doesn't mean the Sabbath is significant for that, and it is dismissed with it said that is only an expression, when you don't seem to have basis for that, Jesus still spoke for Sabbath meant for man, so it is significant in that passage.
Ellen White was the revered prophet of SDAs. She wrote that there would be no marriage in Heaven, but Isaiah wrote about babies not dying. Ellen had many false prophesies that SDAs try to cover for. She was an interesting character and an interesting read.I have to say I don't get the reference to Ellen, I don't know anything about that.
Isaiah was writing about some sort of Heaven. I hope I am not confusing anything with anything. May it is you.But who is talking about Heaven in this discussion? Are you confusing what there is of eternity with what happens with Christ's return to this world?
Now you have me confusedThe distinction is left, with the expression in those passages, "just as the new heavens and the new earth I make will endure" for comparison to the enduring of "your offspring and your name".
Scripture is asked for regarding the commandments? Nothing is being made up, here there is such accusations again. The scripture just used from Isaiah 66 is still good for that, not to mention other passages from Isaiah, such as Isaiah 56:6, and passages from other old testament scriptures as well. There still is Jesus speaking to commandments shown in Matthew 5:18-19.
More confusionSaying gentiles won't be required to be Jews has nothing to do with you not wanting to be there otherwise, I have the basis for saying it from passages such as Acts 15:19.
did Jesus keep Passover? There is your answer about meat eating.Jesus was never a horrible person and I am never suggesting he was. There is though no great basis to say he was eating meat, other than interpretation that isn't certain.
You are a bit hard to understand. Meat has nothing to do with perfection. Perfection is not of the body, it is of the mind. If it included the body then we would all fail in our attempt to gain perfection.The perfection of Yahweh from the beginning in the creation did not have animal meat given to mankind as food. Meat for food is not part of perfection.
Who are you to judge God who gave man meat to eat? Jesus ate it and I am pretty sure you would quote walking as Jesus walked. If it was good enough for Jesus it is good enough for me. Remember, none of us are going to escape this Earth without entering the grave unless Jesus comes first. Some people have an agenda for about everything. Yours is meat. You have presented some truth I will admit, but not enough to stop the World's population from eating it.It was permitted for food thousands of years afterward, after the global flood, and Noah's sacrifice to Yahweh, when there wasn't the abundant growth of vegetation for food, and meat mentioned since then is identified with sacrifice, which is in typifying Christ dying on our behalf, and such is fulfilled, animals don't have to die for us now. In that permission that had been given, which never was a requirement, any blood was never to be had with it, but this gets disregarded. Human desire and obsession has killing of animals continue, but this is not a virtue. It is not healthy to keep having meat, or even animal products, which I can show abundantly, with there being health problems that come from that which can be reversed with avoiding the animal products, and processed foods. It has great abuse to animals by many billions every year, it also takes up a great great deal more resources, and people are starving, and some dying, from that. There is a huge impact with harm to environments from it, and there is more emissions of greenhouse gases contributing to global warming from it. It won't always continue, scriptures show that, and it won't continue while Jesus is here when he returns.
Sabbath is a shadow not would be. What happens in Heaven is mostly a guess. Sabbath was certainly not for all mankind or God would have revealed it to all of mankind like He did for Israel. What significance would Sabbath be to the Aborigines or Eskimos in heaven?Even while Sabbath would be a shadow,
He only made it Holy for Israel. Israel failed. Why should God continue it. The Temple was Holy. He made Holy ground. Many things were Holy that have absolutely no significance npow.it has nothing said anywhere that Sabbaths won't continue, and when Yahweh made it holy, why wouldn't it continue?
Come unto Me and I will give you rest. Jesus is reality Sabbath is ut a shadow of reality.But indeed Jesus is the reality, and the rest of Sabbath,
That we agree. Amen!with coming to God, doesn't have reality, as always, without Jesus Christ. What is said is that none of us should judge others of us regarding these things.
OK, lets do your take on this. The next verse says what takes place on the Sabbath.Excellent point.
Those opposed to the Bible seldom pay attention to the details in it.
in the case of Isaiah 66:23 - it is TWO cycles a monthly one and a weekly one "From Sabbath to Sabbath AND from new moon new moon" -- that combination is NEVER used to mean "daily" or "every second".
What is more we have other phrases such as from "year to year" -- that means yearly.
This is irrefutable. And those opposing the Bible only get around the detail - by ignoring details.
They will circle back to that same speculation again and again - only to have this detail pointed out then they go silent for a while and... "circle back".
OK, lets do your take one this. The next verse says what takes place on the Sabbath.
If the SDAs and others are going to continue to quote Is 66 to bolster their Sabbath doctrine
It does not say "every" Sabbath nor does it say anything about "on," therefore it is not talking about the Sabbath as you try your dead level best to say it does.Is 66:23 says what happens on the Sabbath "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship".
Keep trying to read it.
Nothing but out of context slurs.Isaiah 66:23 is an example of sola scriptura affirmation of the fact that Sabbath even in the OT has the Mark 2:27 scope of "all mankind".
"From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship". Is 66:23
Here then is a text you struggle with quoting so far.
Were we simply "not supposed to notice"???
Over time you may become more comfortable actually looking at it, reading it... accepting it.
Keep trying.
Mark 2:27-28 And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath:Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
You know how you've encountered those who argue the 10 commandments, wherein the Sabbath is mentioned of course, are for the Jews only?
The Sabbath was made holy by God before there were any Jews!
Nothing but out of context slurs.
bugkiller
It does not say "every" Sabbath nor does it say anything about "on," therefore it is not talking about the Sabbath as you try your dead level best to say it does.
bugkiller
Bob, that scripture refers to the Jerusalem that comes down from heaven. Its most likely symbolic language. Notice that it says a time will come when people worship neither in Jerusalem or on the mountain, but in spirit and truth.Isaiah 66:23 is an example of sola scriptura affirmation of the fact that Sabbath even in the OT has the Mark 2:27 scope of "all mankind".
"From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship". Is 66:23
Here then is a text you struggle with quoting so far.
Were we simply "not supposed to notice"???
Over time you may become more comfortable actually looking at it, reading it... accepting it.
Keep trying.
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