For all eternity - "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before God to Worship"

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[BobRyan]

Is 66:23 "From new moon to new moon AND FROM Sabbath to Sabbath shall all MANKIND come before Me to worship"

"Sabbath to Sabbath." ... Sabbath means "rest." ... Rest, in this context, refers to "eternal" rest. So then...we are to understand the passage to say, "From (in between) eternity past, to eternity future...shall all mankind come before me to worship"...i.e., during all of time and creation.

It is a very, very simple statement, where God reveals His master plan for mankind.

I did NOT say "daily."
I SAID...from eternity to eternity. .

Instead of weekly cycle - your text is "in between" two eternities (a bit of a stretch in the extreme) .

But the text speaks only of two distinct cycles -- weekly... and monthly.

Which is how both Isaiah and his readers would have accepted it since they already had that same language for observances.

1. Exodus 13:10
   Therefore, you shall keep this ordinance at its appointed time from year to year.
2. Judges 21:19
   So they said, “Behold, there is a feast of the LORD from year to year in Shiloh, which is on the north side of Bethel, on the east side of the highway that goes up from Bethel to Shechem, and on the south side of Lebonah.”
3. 1 Samuel 2:19
   And his mother would make him a little robe and bring it to him from year to year when she would come up with her husband to offer the yearly sacrifice.
   
   From year to year -- yearly.

And obviously no text ever says "from Sabbath to Sabbath" and "from year to year" and "from new moon to new moon" are just "daily" or just "continually" -- or can be used for "from eternity to eternity"

What is more not OT or NT text says "from Sabbath to Sabbath" means "From eternity to eternity".

so here again -- "exegesis" matters.
from Sabbath to Sabbath -- weekly

Exegesis is not "fleshly" -- "earthly" simply because one does not find it helpful while in pursuit of a given agenda.
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weekly cycle - "From Sabbath to Sabbath"
Monthly cycle - "from New Moon to new moon"
Yearly -- "From year to year"

Which is how both Isaiah and his readers would have accepted it

And that is key to exegesis -- how did the author and his readers see the term used in the Bible? How did they understand it.

Indeed...it is a stretch for the man of flesh and of the world to consider things from a heavenly perspective.

hmm... would you like to respond to the point raised - the Bible details pointed out?

 

[ScottA]

hmm... would you like to respond to the point raised - the Bible details pointed out?

I have already responded (more than once). But you seem to not want to discuss what these passages mean. If we are the sons of the spirit of God, it is not enough to consider the words as they were written to the sons of Adam, the sons of the flesh. The words are spiritually discerned. If you have no intention of going there - please be clear, and I will leave you to it. But if you will follow Christ...come, let us be going.

 

[bugkiller]

Is 66:23 "From new moon to new moon AND FROM Sabbath to Sabbath shall all MANKIND come before Me to worship"

I still want to know where you get anything being done on the Sabbath in the above often quoted verse.

Instead of weekly cycle - your text is "in between" two eternities (a bit of a stretch in the extreme) .

But the text speaks only of two distinct cycles -- weekly... and monthly.

Exactly! The verse has nothing to do with new moons or the Sabbath. I don't understand the "your text" bit though.

Which is how both Isaiah and his readers would have accepted it since they already had that same language for observances.

1. Exodus 13:10
   Therefore, you shall keep this ordinance at its appointed time from year to year.
2. Judges 21:19
   So they said, “Behold, there is a feast of the LORD from year to year in Shiloh, which is on the north side of Bethel, on the east side of the highway that goes up from Bethel to Shechem, and on the south side of Lebonah.”
3. 1 Samuel 2:19
   And his mother would make him a little robe and bring it to him from year to year when she would come up with her husband to offer the yearly sacrifice.
   
   From year to year -- yearly.

And obviously no text ever says "from Sabbath to Sabbath" and "from year to year" and "from new moon to new moon" are just "daily" or just "continually" -- or can be used for "from eternity to eternity"

What is more not OT or NT text says "from Sabbath to Sabbath" means "From eternity to eternity".

so here again -- "exegesis" matters.

exegesis, yes you eisegesis, No

from Sabbath to Sabbath -- weekly

Nope! from...to means in between and in this case daily.

Exegesis is not "fleshly" -- "earthly" simply because one does not find it helpful while in pursuit of a given agenda.

You must be preaching t yourself here.

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weekly cycle - "From Sabbath to Sabbath"
Monthly cycle - "from New Moon to new moon"
Yearly -- "From year to year"

Which is how both Isaiah and his readers would have accepted it

And that is key to exegesis -- how did the author and his readers see the term used in the Bible? How did they understand it.

They understood it to be between and didn't understand anything about on.

hmm... would you like to respond to the point raised - the Bible details pointed out?

I did and you don't like it.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

Is 66:23 "From new moon to new moon AND FROM Sabbath to Sabbath shall all MANKIND come before Me to worship"

the text speaks only of two distinct cycles -- weekly... and monthly.

Which is how both Isaiah and his readers would have accepted it since they already had that same language for observances.

1. Exodus 13:10
   Therefore, you shall keep this ordinance at its appointed time from year to year.
2. Judges 21:19
   So they said, “Behold, there is a feast of the LORD from year to year in Shiloh, which is on the north side of Bethel, on the east side of the highway that goes up from Bethel to Shechem, and on the south side of Lebonah.”
3. 1 Samuel 2:19
   And his mother would make him a little robe and bring it to him from year to year when she would come up with her husband to offer the yearly sacrifice.
   
   From year to year -- yearly.

so here again -- "exegesis" matters.
from Sabbath to Sabbath -- weekly

I still want to know where you get anything being done on the Sabbath in the above often quoted verse.

Because in your POV - worshipping God is ? ... ? "nothing"??

Notice that the details in the text -- the very details point us to Sabbath as weekly cycle and New Moon as monthly cycle.

Showing that there is a weekly day of worship - Sabbath
And there is a monthly day of worship in the New Earth - New Moon

JUST as there were yearly (annual Sabbaths) that took place on an annual cycle.

Exactly! The verse has nothing to do with new moons or the Sabbath.

I find your logic "illusive" just then.

 

[Four Angels Standing]

Is 66:23 "From new moon to new moon AND FROM Sabbath to Sabbath shall all MANKIND come before Me to worship"





Which would be total nonsense as "from 1:00pm to 4:00pm AND FROM 2:00pm to 3:00pm" -- by carefully glossing over the detail "from new moon to new moon AND FROM Sabbath to Sabbath" as clearly identifying TWO cycles - not one constant ... you get to the never-seen-in-the-Bible idea that "REMAIN" is to be wrenched into "from new moon to new moon AND FROM Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind COME BEFORE Me to worship". -- ( as if the Bible ever used such a back flip.)

Even your own fellow pro-sunday scholars admit to this being "two cycles" and not "one idea of -- REMAIN"






Of course they have to admit that this is "two cycles" and not "one idea of REMAIN all the time before the LORD" -- because the Bible already uses that form.

...

1. It shows that OT authors and readers had the concept of 7th day Sabbath applicable to "all mankind" in Is 66:23.
2. Reading the text we have admit that this Sabbath observance will be binding for all mankind for all of eternity even after the cross.
3. Is 56 - (same book, same author) is affirming gentiles who keep the Sabbath - as honoring God.
4. It is only when the second coming happens and the New Earth and New Heavens are established in Rev 21 that all the wicked have perished and so "All mankind" will be worshiping God, all will be Christians, all will be keeping the Sabbath not just the "Remnant" or "Israel" -- the "FEW" of Matt 7 keeping it on earth as Christians are by far the minority in this world. And of course at the second coming the man-denominations of Christianity become one united group.
5. And of course while the "new moon" is a physical "event" that takes place on a cycle - God's Holy "Sabbath" is a "practice" a "convention" and "observance" not a physical cycle in the heavens - so to worship "from Sabbath to Sabbath" would require that "convention" to still exist.

This is true no matter if one is pro-Sunday or not.

I think all sides can see this point.

 

[Four Angels Standing]

Mark 2:27-28 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:


You know how you've encountered those who argue the 10 commandments, wherein the Sabbath is mentioned of course, are for the Jews only?
The Sabbath was made holy by God before there were any Jews!

 

[BobRyan]

Mark 2:27-28 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:


You know how you've encountered those who argue the 10 commandments, wherein the Sabbath is mentioned of course, are for the Jews only?
The Sabbath was made holy by God before there were any Jews!

Very good point!

 

[BobRyan]

Would even one Christian be so opposed to the word of God that they would say "but I won't be one of them" just when the Bible says "Is 66:23 "From new moon to new moon AND FROM Sabbath to Sabbath shall all MANKIND come before Me to worship"

 

[Travis93]

Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Ezekiel 46:3 Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the Lord in the sabbaths and in the new moons.

We will be keeping the feast of tabernacles among other feasts as well, it's going to be great. Dietary laws will be enforced (Isaiah 66:17), all nations will come to learn the Torah (Isaiah 2:2-3, Micah 4:1-2), and circumcision will be mandatory for gentiles (Ezekiel 44:9).

 

[BobRyan]

Jan001 said: ↑

1. Circumcision is how a male person becomes subject to the law of Moses. Circumcision was necessary in order for a male person to become bound/yoked under the law of Moses. No exceptions.
   
   In other words: if a person is not circumcised, he is not under the law of Moses. Genesis 17:14

So then in your doctrine - taking God's name in vain is quite alright as long as you are a gentile doing it???

1. - give me Ephesians 6:2 "instead"
   - give me Romans 3:31 "instead"
   - give me Mark 7:6-13 "instead"
   - give me James 2 "instead"
   - give me Revelation 14:12 "instead"
   - give me Romans 8:4-9 "instead"
   - give me 1 John 3:4 "instead"
   - give me 1 John 2:1 "instead"
   - give me Jeremiah 31:31-33 "instead"
   
   I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.
   
   The Baptist Confession of Faith,
   the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
   D.L. Moody,
   R.C Sproul,
   Matthew Henry,
   Thomas Watson
   Eastern Orthodox Catechism
   The Catholic Catechism.
   
   And of course 7th day groups
   
   Seventh-day Baptists
   Seventh-day Adventists
   (and 100's of others)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

What the heck is all that?!?

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[Meowzltov]

What the heck is all that?!?

.

Looks like he is advertising himself.

 

[bugkiller]

Is 66:23 "From new moon to new moon AND FROM Sabbath to Sabbath shall all MANKIND come before Me to worship"

the text speaks only of two distinct cycles -- weekly... and monthly.

Which is how both Isaiah and his readers would have accepted it since they already had that same language for observances.

1. Exodus 13:10
   Therefore, you shall keep this ordinance at its appointed time from year to year.
2. Judges 21:19
   So they said, “Behold, there is a feast of the LORD from year to year in Shiloh, which is on the north side of Bethel, on the east side of the highway that goes up from Bethel to Shechem, and on the south side of Lebonah.”
3. 1 Samuel 2:19
   And his mother would make him a little robe and bring it to him from year to year when she would come up with her husband to offer the yearly sacrifice.
   
   From year to year -- yearly.

so here again -- "exegesis" matters.

Yes exegesis matters. Eisegesis does not matter because its nothing but personal opinion. Bob I asked expressly where you get "on" when the words "from" and "to" are used.

from Sabbath to Sabbath -- weekly




Because in your POV - worshipping God is ? ... ? "nothing"??

Really? Where do you get this idea from? If you say you get it from me please explain how or where.

Notice that the details in the text -- the very details point us to Sabbath as weekly cycle and New Moon as monthly cycle.

The text does not point us to the Sabbath ort he new moons. The passage is nothing more than the way they talked of time.

Showing that there is a weekly day of worship - Sabbath
And there is a monthly day of worship in the New Earth - New Moon

JUST as there were yearly (annual Sabbaths) that took place on an annual cycle.



I find your logic "illusive" just then.

Why of course because it doesn't bow to you.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Mark 2:27-28 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:


You know how you've encountered those who argue the 10 commandments, wherein the Sabbath is mentioned of course, are for the Jews only?
The Sabbath was made holy by God before there were any Jews!

Where? In Gen 2? Hardly

bugkiller

 

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   If Paul really taught against the law I don't have any reservations about rejecting him as a false prophet (Deuteronomy 13:1-5).[/QUOTE]
   Hi Travis, Paul didn't speak against the law. The law had its purpose with Israel and since Israel fell as a nation the law was no longer in force.
   
   I have come to the conclusion that Messianics cannot relate to the writings of Paul and yes, you have to reject him in order to emblazon you belief system.
   
   
   I couldn't care less what some mere man has to say if they speak against the law. The law is going to be enforced on all mankind in the future (Isaiah 2:2-3, Micah 4:1-2). We will all keep the feasts such as the feast of tabernacles (Zechariah 14:16) and sabbaths (Isaiah 66:23). Circumcision will be mandatory to enter God's sanctuary (Ezekiel 44:9) and dietary laws will be enforced (Isaiah 66:15-17). God wants the gentiles to keep sabbath as well (Isaiah 56:6). There is to be one law for Jew and Gentile (Leviticus 24:22). Jesus preached the law (Matthew 5:17-19) and said to teach everything he said to all nations (Matthew 28:20).
   Isaiah wrote some remarkable things like in the new Earth man will live to be over 100 and man will walk among dead bodies on Sabbath. New Moon will be celebrated, yet Some Sabbath observers don't observe new moons now. Why don't you ever question SDAs on that issue? Children will be born according to Isaiah which is not so according to other scripture. Some of what was written in the Old Testament certainly is a mystery and you and I certainly do not have all the answers. To call Paul a false prophet really turns me off . I trust God in being able to direct man in putting together the Holy Writ and to preserve it for as long as man is on this Earth. If you take it upon your own authority to denounce Paul's writings then you have opened a way to denounce anything you deem not fitting in your theme. I, for one, could never sit at the feet of anyone that teach such a heresy. In my opinion you are pounding the keys for naught.
   
   This is how we KNOW we belong to the truth........believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. 1Jn3
   
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   Hello Bob.
   
   You seem to be very excited, so many posts. I will reply to Travis firstly though,
   be patient Bob, this could take some time. The subject of 'the law' and Grace, is an
   extremely complex subject, that is why there are so many different interpretations.
   Take your time. The simple detail at this point is that you posted something about the 3 divisions in the LAW that we see in the "Baptist Confession of Faith" edited by C.H. Spurgeon and also in the "Westminster Confession of Faith" and also in the SDANEt link site - for the LAW of God as described by Seventh-day Adventists... then I pointed out that the fact that all three sources point to three categories/divisions in the LAW (3 types or category of law) -- is not some sort of contradiction.
   
   Feel free to take your time with that example of harmony between the three of them.
   
   Where your view is challenged -- is that the Bible, and the SDA document and both of your own pro-Sunday documents affirm the Bible detail you are rejecting -- which is that the TEN Commandments are in fact included in the moral law of God AND they are still applicable to the saints today - as we see in Eph 6:2 for example.
   
   I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.
   
   The Baptist Confession of Faith,
   the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
   D.L. Moody,
   R.C Sproul,
   Matthew Henry,
   Thomas Watson
   Eastern Orthodox Catechism
   The Catholic Catechism.
   
   And of course 7th day groups
   
   Seventh-day Baptists
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   (and 100's of others)
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   Travis93 said: ↑
   If Paul really taught against the law I don't have any reservations about rejecting him as a false prophet (Deuteronomy 13:1-5).
   Well the good news in 1Cor 7:19 is that Paul taught "What matters is keeping the commandments of God"
   
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   I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.
   
   The Baptist Confession of Faith,
   the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
   D.L. Moody,
   R.C Sproul,
   Matthew Henry,
   Thomas Watson
   Eastern Orthodox Catechism
   The Catholic Catechism.
   
   And of course 7th day groups
   
   Seventh-day Baptists
   Seventh-day Adventists
   (and 100's of others)
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   Travis93 said: ↑
   These new coverts of gentiles were former pagans who knew nothing of the scriptures unlike the jewish converts, and people were saying they couldn't be saved till they were fully observant of the law. It's like expecting a new employee to know everything on the first day. James decided they'd start them off with just four basic laws (Acts 15:20) and they'd learn the rest over time at the synagogues.
   
   Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
   
   If you interpret it to mean those four laws were literally all that was expected, then the letters to the Roman, Corinthians, Galatians, etc were a waste of time, and guilty of heaping unnecessary burdens on the believers. Passages like Romans 1:18-32, Romans 13:9, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Galatians 5:19-21, and Ephesians 5:3-5 add a number of additional sins to repent of for example. And 2 Timothy 2:16 tells us that all scripture is useful for our instruction.
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   Circumcision is how a male person becomes subject to the law of Moses. Circumcision was necessary in order for a male person to become bound/yoked under the law of Moses. No exceptions.
   
   In other words: if a person is not circumcised, he is not under the law of Moses. Genesis 17:14
   
   
   Scripture states that a Christian is not bound to the law of circumcision. We know then, that a Christian is not bound/yoked to the law of Moses.
   
   
   Galatians 5:3
   I testify again to every man who receives circumcision that he is bound to keep the whole law (of Moses). rsv
   
   Galatians 5:1-7
   Now I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you. 3 I testify again to every man who receives circumcision that he is bound to keep the whole law. 4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit, by faith, we wait for the hope of righteousness. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision is of any avail, but faith working through love. 7 You were running well; who hindered you from obeying the truth (of the gospel)? 8 This persuasion (to become circumcised) is not from him (Christ) who calls you. rsv
   
   
   A person cannot be under the law of Christ and also under the law of Moses at the same time. A person can be under the law of Christ/law of liberty/law of grace or else he can be under the law of Moses.
   
   
   The reason the law of Christ is called the law of liberty is because a person who is under the law of liberty/law of grace/law of Christ is not in bondage to the yoke of the law of Moses. Acts 15
   
   Acts 15:10
   Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke (law of Moses) on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? nkjv
   
   Galatians 2:3-5But even Titus, who was with me, was not compelled to be circumcised, though he was a Greek. 4 But because of false brethren secretly brought in, who slipped in to spy out our freedom (liberty) which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage (of the law of Moses)— 5 to them we did not yield submission even for a moment, that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for you. rsv
   
   James 1:24-26
   or he observes himself and goes away and at once forgets what he was like. 25 But he who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer that forgets but a doer that acts, he shall be blessed in his doing. 26 If any one thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this man’s religion is vain. rsv
   
   A person who becomes ritually circumcised according to the law of Moses Leviticus 12:2-3 severs/cuts himself off from Christ's grace. This person is no longer saved by the blood of Christ.
   
   
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   Now I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you. 3 I testify again to every man who receives circumcision that he is bound to keep the whole law. 4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit, by faith, we wait for the hope of righteousness. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision is of any avail, but faith working through love. 7 You were running well; who hindered you from obeying the truth (of the gospel)? 8 This persuasion (to become circumcised) is not from him (Christ) who calls you. rsv
   
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   Jan001 said: ↑
   Circumcision is how a male person becomes subject to the law of Moses. Circumcision was necessary in order for a male person to become bound/yoked under the law of Moses. No exceptions.
   
   In other words: if a person is not circumcised, he is not under the law of Moses. Genesis 17:14
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   So then in your doctrine - taking God's name in vain is quite alright as long as you are a gentile doing it???
   - give me Ephesians 6:2 "instead"
   - give me Romans 3:31 "instead"
   - give me Mark 7:6-13 "instead"
   - give me James 2 "instead"
   - give me Revelation 14:12 "instead"
   - give me Romans 8:4-9 "instead"
   - give me 1 John 3:4 "instead"
   - give me 1 John 2:1 "instead"
   - give me Jeremiah 31:31-33 "instead"
   
   I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.
   
   The Baptist Confession of Faith,
   the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
   D.L. Moody,
   R.C Sproul,
   Matthew Henry,
   Thomas Watson
   Eastern Orthodox Catechism
   The Catholic Catechism.
   
   And of course 7th day groups
   
   Seventh-day Baptists
   Seventh-day Adventists
   (and 100's of others)
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Edit Post by BobRyan[/QUOTE]Neat! new version of spam?

bugkiller

 

[Meowzltov]

Why of course because it doesn't bow to you.

buggy!!!! So good to see you. It's been a while. You tell 'im.

 

[BobRyan]

Mark 2:27-28 And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath:Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:


You know how you've encountered those who argue the 10 commandments, wherein the Sabbath is mentioned of course, are for the Jews only?
The Sabbath was made holy by God before there were any Jews!

Good point!

But be careful because Bible texts are easy for some folks to ignore

Where? In Gen 2? Hardly

bugkiller

Is that a serious post??

 

[FredVB]

Would even one Christian be so opposed to the word of God that they would say "but I won't be one of them" just when the Bible says "Is 66:23 "From new moon to new moon AND FROM Sabbath to Sabbath shall all MANKIND come before Me to worship"

I see it speaking of all mankind, so this time is coming, and sabbaths must be relevant then, meaning in scripture must be twisted to argue contrary to that.

Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Ezekiel 46:3 Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the Lord in the sabbaths and in the new moons.
We will be keeping the feast of tabernacles among other feasts as well, it's going to be great. Dietary laws will be enforced (Isaiah 66:17), all nations will come to learn the Torah (Isaiah 2:2-3, Micah 4:1-2), and circumcision will be mandatory for gentiles (Ezekiel 44:9).

There will be commandments that gentiles will live by as well, but scriptures show that gentiles are not going to be required to become Jewish. Meat eating is coming to an end regardless, it must not continue.

Yes exegesis matters. Eisegesis does not matter because its nothing but personal opinion. The text does not point us to the Sabbath or the new moons. The passage is nothing more than the way they talked of time.

This dismisses mention of the sabbath rather too neatly. I don't see basis for that.

 

[bugkiller]

Good point!

But be careful because Bible texts are easy for some folks to ignore

Yeppers!!!!!!!

Is that a serious post??

Sorry you don't think so. Wanna quote some proof for us to the contrary?

bugkiller