1. Greetings don't mention which day of the week members met -- as we all know.
Yes, which is why I said we are not told in the text. But they do indicate home churches.
We can't decide what is in the letter. We can note what is not.
2. Titus 1 makes it clear that the opposition was coming from Christian Jews - just as I stated previously.
The judaizers traveled, as I mentioned previously as well.
However, Titus was being sent to Crete. So that again does not speak directly to the situation of the Colossians.
Acts shows repeatedly that they were meeting "Sabbath after Sabbath" for gospel preaching -- in fact "every Sabbath" Acts 18:4 - for gospel preaching to gentiles and Jews in the synagogue.
a. in places other than Colossae
b. until they weren't, meeting every day instead.
No one has disputed that gentiles who were attending Jewish Synagogues prior to the arrival of Paul in places other than Colossae were attending Jewish synagogues for weeks after Paul arrived.
But you have not demonstrated a commitment to Sabbath observance among the the gentile attendees. You have demonstrated Sabbath attendance.
And this whole line of questioning is a distraction. You started it by saying how would the subject come up unless the situation you assume was happening in Colossae was actually happening. But you and I have both noted that situation is not necessary for it to come up, because the judaizers traveled.
Titus 1 makes it very clear that they were getting false doctrine pressure from the Christian Jews -
7 For a bishop must be blameless, as a steward of God, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, 8 but hospitable, a lover of what is good, sober-minded, just, holy, self-controlled, 9 holding fast the faithful word as he has been taught, that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and convict those who contradict.
10 For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, 11 whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole households, teaching things which they ought not, for the sake of dishonest gain. 12 One of them, a prophet of their own, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.” 13 This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith, 14 not giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men who turn from the truth.
Those Jewish false teachers were under the admin of the Bishop/Elder in the church -- and he was responsible for stopping their work of false doctrine.
You did note he referenced the mission to Crete there right?
But again this is a distraction. We already know, and I posited early on in this discussion, that the circumcision party was known to travel.
false. It is a way of making a statement consistent with the practice of the NT church well documented in the book of Acts.
The point remains.
Your documenting practices in various places does not document practices in another place. And the practice you documented was not the one you wanted in the first place. Attendance is not Sabbath observance.
And of course, you documented not what happened at distinctive Christian worship services, such as those spelled out in I Corinthians, which I quoted earlier. You documented Paul's evangelistic method of taking the gospel first to the Jews, and then the gentiles.
I never stated an objection to Christians attending one of the appointed times in Lev 23 -- I just note that in Col 2 Paul argues against being judged for attending/not-attending ... and that such judgment was primarily based on "making stuff up" as Col 2 shows.
details matter.
Then you might want to read again what I said because that was not the point I was making.
The gentiles attending synagogues in towns before Paul ever arrived does not say what was happening in Colossae.
But the point of the above statement was that you have not demonstrated even in those locations that the gentile attendees each sabbath were observant of the command to rest. You have only demonstrated attendance. And as you told the Liturgist in the other thread, those are not the same.
Their attendance at these synagogues was not derived form the distinctive pattern of Christian worship in the area, as it predated the arrival of Paul and his team.
Passages in I Corinthians spell out distinctively Christian worship apart from synagogue attendance, and it makes no reference to sabbath, but does include the Lord's supper, exercise of spiritual gifts, participation of members, etc.
We know they had already left the synagogue in Corinth as well. For those places where the synagogue was not hostile they did not leave immediately.
There is "Every Sabbath" attendance/observance in Acts 18 and we see it in "city after city after city" in the book of Acts for both gentiles and Jews - and we both know it.
Yes, and we both know it was going on before Paul ever arrived. And in the case of leaving for the lecture hall of Tyrannus turned into every day, and we both know it.
It makes no sense to argue that people not keeping the Bible Sabbath were showing up for worship "every Sabbath". I suppose you already know that.
Of course it does. Gentile inquirers who were God fearers attended synagogues, but were not necessarily full converts. And given that those referenced in gentile churches were not yet physically circumcised, including the Colossians because Paul refers to them as being circumcised without hands, they were apparently not full converts.
The gentile converts generally were not circumcised or the judaizers wouldn't be trying to compel them to be so! So your assumption is that they were observing a Sabbath rest. That is not in the text, and it does not follow that non-converts would be. The text says they attended. And in some cases the attendance grew. And then when they had resistance they met in at least one case daily.
And of course this whole line of discussion was a distraction as you asked how it would come up otherwise, but the judaizers are a known means of it coming up.
And of course you are reading the practice of synagogue attendance of gentiles in other locations into Colossae without reference to such in the text.
